Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain on CBS Sports: Rashad Evans’ first title defense should be against Lyoto Machida

By: Nate

Nate — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:36:17 +0000

MacBatty — well said on Rashad, sums up my feelings on him too.

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By: EamonJGod

EamonJGod — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:17:28 +0000

I still don’t see the connection.

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By: Grappo

Grappo — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:12:34 +0000

“Grappo you lost me at ‘I’ve spewed up on a pint of piss”

it was reference to a song that Metallica covered that bears resemblance to JJ’s post.

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By: king mah mah

king mah mah — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:29:16 +0000

I don’t really like Machidas style either but you can’t keep over looking him. If he beats Silva and is STILL undefeated, then he absolutely should get a title shot. Besides, I think he would beat Rashad and I really can’t stand that jackass! The sooner someone takes the belt from Rashad the better. Machida could very well be that person.

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By: Eamon J God

Eamon J God — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:04:16 +0000

Quality post JJ Docker, Grappo you lost me at ‘I’ve spewed up on a pint of piss’

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By: ctownhood

ctownhood — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:09:04 +0000

Keenan..it was reported that Franklin was offered Machida to avenge his loss…only to turn it down because he said Machida’s style is “boring”. That translates to ” I can’t figure out how to beat him”. I am a huge Rich Franklin fan too, not trying to bash, but sounds like he wants nothing to do with a rematch.

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By: Grappo

Grappo — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:25:25 +0000

@ EamonJGod
well, then I guess the majority the fighters Machida has faced have no brain. They almost all play into his game. Which I guess does prove his style is effective, does it not?

@ JJ Docker
“Why do people take it so personally when its Machida?”

you miss the point. Nobody gives a crap whether or not you or anyone else likes Machida’s style. The debate doesn’t spring from people responding to someone saying they find his style boring. The debate comes from people disagreeing on his merit as a fighter, past performances, worthiness of a title shot (which is the point of this article) and any other number of things that fans and haters alike would be interested in expressing their views about. His “boringness” is a relative non-issue. What’s the point of any debate about anything? Why even allow comments on this site? Who cares? You rhetorically ask if we are allowed to have opinions, and then proceed to chide people for expressing their own. Who cares? The people that bothered to post care, I suppose, including you.

But really, who cares? So what? I like chicken fried steak. Who cares? I abhor double negatives and people who state unknowns as fact. So what? Who cares? I’ve drunk that, I’ve drunk this, I’ve spewed up on a pint of piss. So what? So what?

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By: HexRei

HexRei — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:07:54 +0000

There were not nearly enough people putting down the anti-machida crowd to warrant that dramatic novel of a post, lol.

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By: JJ Docker

JJ Docker — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:11:53 +0000

Some people don’t like Machida because they don’t find him exciting. So what? Who cares? People didn’t like Sylvia in the UFC because he was boring. I don’t like Sherk because I find him boring. So what. Are people, i.e. commenter’s on this article, proposing fans are not allowed to dislike a fighter? Are we not allowed to like a fighter? What are we allowed to do? Are we allowed to have opinions on fights? Fighters? Organizations? No?! Do we have to like everything?
This is a sport. Fans have favorites and individuals they don’t like so much. Why do people take it so personally when its Machida? Who cares? Some people hate Rampage, so what? Some people hate Matt Hughes, so what? I despise Keith Jardine. So what? Its not because I met him and he was rude to me. Its not because I was stood behind him in a queue and he broke wind on my hand. I just don’t find him very favorable. Thats all. One of the biggest draws of televised sport is the personalization with the athletes, with the characters, with the individuals. Its the judgment of humanity and it takes place everywhere, everyday. Some people you like some people you don’t. Some styles you like some you don’t. If fans don’t find Machida’s style entertaining, whats the problem? The bares resemblances to a YouTube video comment exchange; which is a rarity for this site.

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By: EamonJGod

EamonJGod — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:51:04 +0000

I’d chalk it up to Tito being tried out from chasing him, which doesn’t prove that Lyoto’s style is effective, it proves that Tito has no brain, and let Machida decide where the fight was going at all times. I don’t mean to say Rashad’s not a true contender because he earned his title shot of a vicious win over Liddel, and finished the champ for his belt. I don’t see Lyoto doing any of that. If he demolishes Silva without controversy I can totally see why he’d be in line for a title shot. I’m also in agreement that he is an extremely skilled fighter in his own right. It’d just make more sense to be and be more interesting for the majority of the fan base to have a Rampage/Griffin rematch winner take on Evans first, then give Machida his due, considering his record it’s only fair he gets a shot, my opinion is just that he’d get beat by any of the fore-mentioned fighters.

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By: Grappo

Grappo — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:08:51 +0000

“The knee that dropped Tito came in the third round and is not, by itself, proof machida didnt spend a good amount of time sidestepping at a backward angle”

Nobody said it was. It was used as an example of his willingness to engage when he sees an opening, and also of his power, which has been called into question.

“not to mention that right after that knee tito threw a triangle his way and secured it…still dont get how he didnt finish that”

actually right after that knee, Machida pounced on him and landed some vicious punches and elbows that messed Tito up and cut him open. How did he not finish Machida with that triangle? Machida used his skill to escape. Would you chalk that up to luck rather than the skill of a person who trains every day to get himself out of that exact situation?

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By: NJMMAFAN

NJMMAFAN — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:30:45 +0000

wow that was weird sorry for repost

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By: NJMMAFAN

NJMMAFAN — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:30:10 +0000

The knee that dropped Tito came in the third round and is not, by itself, proof machida didnt spend a good amount of time sidestepping at a backward angle…not to mention that right after that knee tito threw a triangle his way and secured it…still dont get how he didnt finish that

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By: NJMMAFAN

NJMMAFAN — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:29:27 +0000

The knee that dropped Tito came in the third round and is not, by itself, proof machida didnt spend a good amount of time sidestepping at a backward angle

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By: JOe K.

JOe K. — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:04:59 +0000

The casual fan helps make this sport.

The casual fan WILL eventually ruin this sport.

Welcome to sports entertainment. Lyoto and Silva are undefeated and the winner of their bout IS the number one contender.

If not they are not given the No 1 contender spot then this is the WWE with the BCS.

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By: nate

nate — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:17:45 +0000

well said mu_shin

I understand people being disgruntled about Machida’s style. But I like it. He had been tested against huge names & come up with wins.

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By: neijia

neijia — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:34:15 +0000

@mushin: “I keep reading posts of how he backpedaled all night against Tito, but I just watched a rebroadcast of that fight, and he hit Tito so hard with his knee to the liver he buckled his knees and knocked Tito to the canvas.”

BJ Penn talks about how hard Machida hits in his “Book of Knowledge”.

“His elusiveness is everything a real martial artist trains to be.”

This is so true. Unfortunately not necessarily enough for huge marketability. We can see the personality factor much more in the sport of tennis. There have been dominating athletes who are just not fan favorites.

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By: neijia

neijia — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:24:51 +0000

I’m conflicted about it. It’s a no-lose set of scenarios. I would love to see Rampage get the title back. I just love the guy for his personality. Still, I really admire Machida’s skills and also agree on paper he deserves first shot. I find technical fighters more interesting. But the business has to make a bottom line decision, not a “who deserves what” decision (unless they can figure how that factors into the fan draw). Rampage should also get his desired match. Man, these are all just great match-ups. Can’t wait!!!

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By: Mike Wolfe

Mike Wolfe — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:28:02 +0000

I agree with Sam on this one. If Machida defeats Silva, he’s earned his shot. He’d be undefeated with a quality wins over formidible opponents. Furthermore, I’d really like to see a Machida/Rashad fight. It would be one of the more intriguing match ups in recent memory, imo.

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By: Hellboy

Hellboy — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:18:16 +0000

I always laugh when people compare Machida with Starnes, the main difference being Starnes lost his fight on points in one of the biggest gaps I have ever seen in a 3 round fight (I think it ended up being 26 to 30) while Machida took hardly any damage, messed up Titos face and won the fight 30 to 27. I get it. Machida is not for everyone, I have no problem with people saying they hate his style,I personally love his style, but I doubt it would work for most of the fighter out there. But where I think most people are lying to themselves is saying they would not buy a PPV if Machida was the headliner. I do agree that the casual fan would not be overly excited about it, but we are not casual fans, and for someone who takes the time to post about how much they dislike Machida’s style, you can not tell me that you would not fork over money to see a fight between Machida and Rampage, or Silva (either one) or Evans. You would pay, in hopes to see someone finally solve the puzzel of Machida, and that is why sooner or later he will get his shot. I would like to point out though that you don’t hear Machida begging for a title shot, I have never seen one article where he says he feels robbed, isn’t being given a chance or is being snubbed. He is a patient man, just as he is a patient fighter, and that patience will someday pay off, and I beleive we will all pay to see it.

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