Comments on: Random Rants: Examining leftovers from UFC 93 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 20:16:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64256 BigDave Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:57:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64256 Ok i must have been watching a different fight card then all of you where. Lytle vs Davis was a very entertaining fight which i feel was scored wrong as i had lytle winning a close decision but but it could have gone either way. The coleman vs Rua fight was tough to watch, why the ufc would allow a guy like coleman to get into the octagon is beyond me im just glad the put him in there with a over hyped fighter like rua or else he may have been seriously injured. Horn vs palharas was just boring, horn is looking like he doesnt want to fight anymore. Kang, what can i say about that guy he was easily winning and got caught end of story. Now Hendo vs Franklin. Can people stop saying that either one of these guys is a top 10 fighter cause they are clearly not. Hendo is now going to go onto getting his ass handed to him by Bisping. One last thing about this article, you are out to lunch if you think that jardine doesnt deserve to fight for #1 contender. Rampage lost to forest Jardine stopped him and for my money rampage cant hang with Jardine. As for Jardine and Evans being friends they have both stated they would have no problem facing each other should it come to pass. Ok i must have been watching a different fight card then all of you where. Lytle vs Davis was a very entertaining fight which i feel was scored wrong as i had lytle winning a close decision but but it could have gone either way. The coleman vs Rua fight was tough to watch, why the ufc would allow a guy like coleman to get into the octagon is beyond me im just glad the put him in there with a over hyped fighter like rua or else he may have been seriously injured. Horn vs palharas was just boring, horn is looking like he doesnt want to fight anymore. Kang, what can i say about that guy he was easily winning and got caught end of story. Now Hendo vs Franklin. Can people stop saying that either one of these guys is a top 10 fighter cause they are clearly not. Hendo is now going to go onto getting his ass handed to him by Bisping.

One last thing about this article, you are out to lunch if you think that jardine doesnt deserve to fight for #1 contender. Rampage lost to forest Jardine stopped him and for my money rampage cant hang with Jardine. As for Jardine and Evans being friends they have both stated they would have no problem facing each other should it come to pass.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64243 Jackyl Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:14:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64243 I didn't say shredded. Sam did. Rampage better in UFC than in PRIDE? He went five rounds with Henderson, got a flash KO on Liddell, lost to Forrest. His best performance was his last one against Wanderlei Silva. Hello....power bomb on Arona, the beatdown of Liddell, need I go on? He was a much better fighter in PRIDE, just like all the other ones. I think you should look up the image of Fedor's hand being raised after the Nog fight. Nog has a frickin six pack! I didn’t say shredded. Sam did. Rampage better in UFC than in PRIDE? He went five rounds with Henderson, got a flash KO on Liddell, lost to Forrest. His best performance was his last one against Wanderlei Silva. Hello….power bomb on Arona, the beatdown of Liddell, need I go on? He was a much better fighter in PRIDE, just like all the other ones. I think you should look up the image of Fedor’s hand being raised after the Nog fight. Nog has a frickin six pack!

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]]> By: Tyler http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64173 Tyler Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:05:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64173 Watch the first fight with Coleman and Shogun and tell me Shogun was "shredded" and at no point in his career was Nog. Also Rampage has been better in the UFC then he ever was in Pride. Watch the first fight with Coleman and Shogun and tell me Shogun was “shredded” and at no point in his career was Nog.
Also Rampage has been better in the UFC then he ever was in Pride.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64164 Jackyl Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:05:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64164 What is your explanation for why they are so shredded in PRIDE and not here? So you are knocking me for bringing it up, but are you denying it? What is your explanation for why they are so shredded in PRIDE and not here? So you are knocking me for bringing it up, but are you denying it?

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]]> By: Tyler http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64163 Tyler Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:58:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64163 I guess people are never going to get tired of bringing up steroids. What is amazing to me also is that when they make a statement about certain fighters or Japan in regards to steroids they act as if their the first one to mention it or bring the subject up as if they're breaking a huge story. It's like they're saying to themselves let me mention steroids here no one else has been beating that subject to death since Pride is gone and now some of those fighters are in the U.S. I guess people are never going to get tired of bringing up steroids.
What is amazing to me also is that when they make a statement about certain fighters or Japan in regards to steroids they act as if their the first one to mention it or bring the subject up as if they’re breaking a huge story.
It’s like they’re saying to themselves let me mention steroids here no one else has been beating that subject to death since Pride is gone and now some of those fighters are in the U.S.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64162 Jackyl Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:21:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64162 "Rua didn’t just look bad on Saturday night, he looked small. When he was in PRIDE, he was absolutely shredded. " I know a lot of you don't like to admit it but......Wasn't everyone in PRIDE absolutely shredded? Shogun, Wanderlei, Rampage, Nog. They were all jacked to the max and fought like caged animals. Isn't it basically common knowledge that they are a little lax with the roids over there? I don't think I have seen any PRIDE fighter look as good as they did in PRIDE, or fight with the kind of intensity you saw In PRIDE. That being said I'm not sure where a lot of the criticism for Shogun is coming from. Sure he looked sluggish and his cardio wasn't great. But he showed some great work in the clinch. Those leg kicks he threw from the clinch were awesome. He also neutralized Coleman't GnP by going for a lot of subs from the bottom. He didn't look great, but I thought he looked good. “Rua didn’t just look bad on Saturday night, he looked small. When he was in PRIDE, he was absolutely shredded. ”

I know a lot of you don’t like to admit it but……Wasn’t everyone in PRIDE absolutely shredded? Shogun, Wanderlei, Rampage, Nog. They were all jacked to the max and fought like caged animals. Isn’t it basically common knowledge that they are a little lax with the roids over there? I don’t think I have seen any PRIDE fighter look as good as they did in PRIDE, or fight with the kind of intensity you saw In PRIDE. That being said I’m not sure where a lot of the criticism for Shogun is coming from. Sure he looked sluggish and his cardio wasn’t great. But he showed some great work in the clinch. Those leg kicks he threw from the clinch were awesome. He also neutralized Coleman’t GnP by going for a lot of subs from the bottom. He didn’t look great, but I thought he looked good.

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]]> By: William W. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64083 William W. Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:07:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64083 "I still believe Marcus Davis vs. Chris Lytle will hold up as a “Fight of the Year” candidate. " No way. The fight was good, but not great. Why? Because they decided to take the "mixed" out of MMA. Hell, even Davis backing down when he promised to "stand there and bang" in his quest to deliver a fight of the decade. By the end of the year, everyone will have forgotten about this fight. Well, except maybe for Sam. :) “I still believe Marcus Davis vs. Chris Lytle will hold up as a “Fight of the Year” candidate. ”

No way. The fight was good, but not great. Why? Because they decided to take the “mixed” out of MMA. Hell, even Davis backing down when he promised to “stand there and bang” in his quest to deliver a fight of the decade. By the end of the year, everyone will have forgotten about this fight. Well, except maybe for Sam. :)

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]]> By: dedstrk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64030 dedstrk Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:42:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64030 I agree with Snowden. I don't think it lived up to the hype. To much high fiving and not enough going to the ground when it was appropriate to do so. I agree with Snowden. I don’t think it lived up to the hype. To much high fiving and not enough going to the ground when it was appropriate to do so.

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]]> By: D.Capitated http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64014 D.Capitated Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64014 Look at Horn post-Liddell II: -Prangley: Most people I know think Prangley deserved the decision. Horn was on the bottom most of the fight absorbing blows and looked very lackluster. Even after cutting to 185, he looks soft. -Sonnen: Caught Sonnen in a submission after losing most of the fight up to that point. Not terribly unlike Sonnen/Filho I. -Lindland: Not competitive. -Vitale: Niko had lost 3 of his last 4, two of them pretty brutal KOs by Lawler. The fight was a tossup. -Santiago: Not competitive. -McGee: Who? -Marqhardt: Not competitive. -Lister: Not competitive. -Palhares: Had a good 1:30 in round 2. Otherwise, not competitive. Its not that the UFC brought him in and exposed him. He's been headed downhill for awhile. He does have a name though, and toughing out Palhares will proabably get him another 4-5 fights outside the UFC before people notice where he's actually at. If he's really lucky, maybe a fight with Belcher or Kang. Look at Horn post-Liddell II:

-Prangley: Most people I know think Prangley deserved the decision. Horn was on the bottom most of the fight absorbing blows and looked very lackluster. Even after cutting to 185, he looks soft.

-Sonnen: Caught Sonnen in a submission after losing most of the fight up to that point. Not terribly unlike Sonnen/Filho I.

-Lindland: Not competitive.

-Vitale: Niko had lost 3 of his last 4, two of them pretty brutal KOs by Lawler. The fight was a tossup.

-Santiago: Not competitive.

-McGee: Who?

-Marqhardt: Not competitive.

-Lister: Not competitive.

-Palhares: Had a good 1:30 in round 2. Otherwise, not competitive.

Its not that the UFC brought him in and exposed him. He’s been headed downhill for awhile. He does have a name though, and toughing out Palhares will proabably get him another 4-5 fights outside the UFC before people notice where he’s actually at. If he’s really lucky, maybe a fight with Belcher or Kang.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64006 Mike Wolfe Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:38:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64006 How many fights does Horn have left on his contract? Maybe I'm wrong, but his last two fights looked like a guy living up to his obligations rather than a guy who is still enthusiastic about fighting. How many fights does Horn have left on his contract? Maybe I’m wrong, but his last two fights looked like a guy living up to his obligations rather than a guy who is still enthusiastic about fighting.

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]]> By: rondog6669 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-64000 rondog6669 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:15:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-64000 I agree with your whole article. Horn needs to fight a can to gain some cofidence I agree with your whole article. Horn needs to fight a can to gain some cofidence

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]]> By: Jonathan Snowden http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-63992 Jonathan Snowden Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:11:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-63992 Sam, I thought Horn and Pulhares had an interesting fight. It was amazing to see how Horn, so outgunned physically, was able to keep the fight competitive with just the power of his mind and the fighting sciences. I agree that Davis and Lytle was an entertaining back and forth, you and I both saw that Lytle was too slow to keep up with Marcus. He should have focused on taking him down, but instead was more than happy to lose a fight to win $40,000. Continually promoting he fiction that well rounded fighters and groundfighting is "boring" and being a "pussy" can't be helpful in a sport that features a ton of both. Sam,

I thought Horn and Pulhares had an interesting fight. It was amazing to see how Horn, so outgunned physically, was able to keep the fight competitive with just the power of his mind and the fighting sciences.

I agree that Davis and Lytle was an entertaining back and forth, you and I both saw that Lytle was too slow to keep up with Marcus. He should have focused on taking him down, but instead was more than happy to lose a fight to win $40,000. Continually promoting he fiction that well rounded fighters and groundfighting is “boring” and being a “pussy” can’t be helpful in a sport that features a ton of both.

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-63990 Davey D Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:01:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-63990 To me, UFC 93 showed us what it takes to be in the UFC. That is: gameness. You better be ready for whatever. The five prelim bout's all ended via TKO, we saw one of them. Red Schafer vs. Luiz Cane coming soon. The fight's aired showed me just how hard it is to compete in there, it was very grity. Hendo vs. Ace should've been a five rounder...great fight. Shogun vs. Coleman was a personal war between the two and they put on a good show, gassed or not, it isn't easy. Kang looked good until he got caught, let your hand's go next time Denis. Belcher vs. Cote sounds great. I wouldn't mind if Chris & Marcus ran it back either. Horn fought his heart out on Saturday, will he be back? Rosimar Phalares should fight Robbie Lawler next if Zuffa can do it. Cheers! To me, UFC 93 showed us what it takes to be in the UFC. That is: gameness. You better be ready for whatever. The five prelim bout’s all ended via TKO, we saw one of them. Red Schafer vs. Luiz Cane coming soon. The fight’s aired showed me just how hard it is to compete in there, it was very grity. Hendo vs. Ace should’ve been a five rounder…great fight. Shogun vs. Coleman was a personal war between the two and they put on a good show, gassed or not, it isn’t easy. Kang looked good until he got caught, let your hand’s go next time Denis. Belcher vs. Cote sounds great. I wouldn’t mind if Chris & Marcus ran it back either. Horn fought his heart out on Saturday, will he be back? Rosimar Phalares should fight Robbie Lawler next if Zuffa can do it. Cheers!

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]]> By: Bloated Wayne Newton http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-63989 Bloated Wayne Newton Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:00:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-63989 I liked the card, but didn't love it. Kang was thoroughly disappointing, Belcher was suprising. All the talk was about Franklin having more tools, but it looked to me like he had a right jab and a left body kick for the majority of the fight, what's next for him? Shogun needs an American training program, go to Top Team or XC, if he shows up like that against Chuck, its gonna be a short night. Watching Coleman was a little hard for me to stomach. He's got two little girls to support, but when is enough, enough? Bring on UFC 94!!! I liked the card, but didn’t love it. Kang was thoroughly disappointing, Belcher was suprising. All the talk was about Franklin having more tools, but it looked to me like he had a right jab and a left body kick for the majority of the fight, what’s next for him? Shogun needs an American training program, go to Top Team or XC, if he shows up like that against Chuck, its gonna be a short night. Watching Coleman was a little hard for me to stomach. He’s got two little girls to support, but when is enough, enough? Bring on UFC 94!!!

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]]> By: ultmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-63986 ultmma Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:15:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-63986 good shout out to Goldberg, those facts sheets have made a world of difference over the last two broadcasts Sam I don't know about you but the UFC allowing full tilt to be in the center of the Octagon is good for the UFC, but doesn't that block out all other gambling websites to the fighters? Now its either full tilt or nothing. Zuffa isn't going to allow fighters to be sponsored by poker stars or (insert other poker "teaching" site here) anytime soon. good shout out to Goldberg, those facts sheets have made a world of difference over the last two broadcasts

Sam I don’t know about you but the UFC allowing full tilt to be in the center of the Octagon is good for the UFC, but doesn’t that block out all other gambling websites to the fighters? Now its either full tilt or nothing.

Zuffa isn’t going to allow fighters to be sponsored by poker stars or (insert other poker “teaching” site here) anytime soon.

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]]> By: joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/19/random-rants-examining-leftovers-from-ufc-93/comment-page-1/#comment-63982 joey Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:05:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11064#comment-63982 Davis lost twice in the UFC; one TKO to Melvin Guillard and another to Swick. Davis lost twice in the UFC; one TKO to Melvin Guillard and another to Swick.

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