Comments on: Dolan: Pulver and Out? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: jasonah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65814 jasonah Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:08:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65814 Him and Chuck are in the same boat.The Legeneds just dont have it no more.There is a new breed of M.M.A fighter.Does anyone think that pulver or liddell is going to go on a win streak anytime soon.Especiallly ,facing top level competition.No one Want's to see either one of the pull a" Shamrock "Tthe only reason I think Ken still fight's Is he never made Enough money in his carerr to be set for the rest of his life.Sure Shamrock has a Gym and probably scrapes a decent living with that.Pulver on the other hand has no Gym, And spent 85% of his carerr fighting for scratch.And we all know how Chuck rolls.He has made millions of dollars,fighting.Last I heard Buster Douglas was a Janitor@ a High school. Him and Chuck are in the same boat.The Legeneds just dont have it no more.There is a new breed of M.M.A fighter.Does anyone think that pulver or liddell is going to go on a win streak anytime soon.Especiallly ,facing top level competition.No one Want’s to see either one of the pull a” Shamrock “Tthe only reason I think Ken still fight’s Is he never made Enough money in his carerr to be set for the rest of his life.Sure Shamrock has a Gym and probably scrapes a decent living with that.Pulver on the other hand has no Gym, And spent 85% of his carerr fighting for scratch.And we all know how Chuck rolls.He has made millions of dollars,fighting.Last I heard Buster Douglas was a Janitor@ a High school.

]]> By: screwscrewface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65622 screwscrewface Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:22:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65622 The only real point you made is that he will continue to fight because fighting is the only thing he knows. If he keeps fighting top competition because he has name recognition he is eventually going to have health problems. Its not safe for a fighter just like wanderlei to get repeatedly knocked the f out. I'm not a hater I hope he sticks around as a commentator, but a new camp is not going to make him faster and we all can see that he is a couple steps slower than before because of age or just getting ko'd. I don't see pulver even beating swanson or a lower level WEC fighter. Sure as hell hope he doesnt get matched up with jose aldo to give aldo more star power, that will end badly The only real point you made is that he will continue to fight because fighting is the only thing he knows. If he keeps fighting top competition because he has name recognition he is eventually going to have health problems. Its not safe for a fighter just like wanderlei to get repeatedly knocked the f out. I’m not a hater I hope he sticks around as a commentator, but a new camp is not going to make him faster and we all can see that he is a couple steps slower than before because of age or just getting ko’d. I don’t see pulver even beating swanson or a lower level WEC fighter. Sure as hell hope he doesnt get matched up with jose aldo to give aldo more star power, that will end badly

]]> By: Karrina Huff http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65543 Karrina Huff Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:45:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65543 I felt so bad for Jens when he was crying after the fight and then that commentator asked him if he was still relevant.How rude was that? I think WEC should give him one lesser known opponent at least depending on how many fights he has on his contract.If he wants to fight in smaller orgs I think it's great.He's still and always will be a pioneer like Dan Severn or Shamrock. I felt so bad for Jens when he was crying after the fight and then that commentator asked him if he was still relevant.How rude was that?
I think WEC should give him one lesser known opponent at least depending on how many fights he has on his contract.If he wants to fight in smaller orgs I think it’s great.He’s still and always will be a pioneer like Dan Severn or Shamrock.

]]> By: htown-chris http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65516 htown-chris Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:48:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65516 pulver is absolutely a legend in the history books of mma. whether or not he is finished is an entirely different question. i would hate to see him hang it up, but i also woudnt want to see him continue if his skills are so far diminished that he cannot successfuly fight at an elite level. jens pulver is a legend simply for the fact he would fight anybody anywhere anytime. pulver is absolutely a legend in the history books of mma. whether or not he is finished is an entirely different question. i would hate to see him hang it up, but i also woudnt want to see him continue if his skills are so far diminished that he cannot successfuly fight at an elite level. jens pulver is a legend simply for the fact he would fight anybody anywhere anytime.

]]> By: john serf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65452 john serf Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:30:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65452 fuck u paulo u asswipe bitch. fuck u shithead. fuck u paulo u asswipe bitch. fuck u shithead.

]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65449 Rich S. Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:20:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65449 Pulver is DEFINITELY a legend in the sport. whether he has more notable wins than beating BJ or not doesn't matter, he was the first ever lightweight champion in the UFC. That is a title that no one in the sport can ever get again, and will forever stay with him.. And he has definitely paid his dues at one of the greatest camps in all of MMA, the Miletich Fighting Systems, helping other fighters become world champions.. As for his current situation, i think he can definitely get back on the winning side.. i think he needs to focus more on his ground game.. he's got a decent ground game, we just never see it cause he feels he MUST strike.. and at this point in his career, the striking needs to be pushed down and the grappling needs to come up.. We've seen his chin get weaker and weaker over the years.. It started with Gomi, then Sakurai, then Lauzon, he was dominated and almost put out by Faber in the first fight, then Garcia, and of course Faber's striking is what led him to the 2nd victory.. Look at Pulver/Swanson for a second.. It was understood that if someone got knocked out, Pulver would be the winner, and if someone got submitted, Swanson would be the winner.. Pulver went out there, and from a routine sprawl, wrapped on a sick ass d'arce-like guillotine, and won by submission in 35 seconds.. Does that not stand out to anyone other than myself? That's amazing.. If he fights again, he needs to put his ego on the backburner [which seems to be impossible for fighters these days] and take his opponent down.. I'm willing to guarantee that if he wrestled his next opponent, he'd win.. Pulver is DEFINITELY a legend in the sport. whether he has more notable wins than beating BJ or not doesn’t matter, he was the first ever lightweight champion in the UFC. That is a title that no one in the sport can ever get again, and will forever stay with him..

And he has definitely paid his dues at one of the greatest camps in all of MMA, the Miletich Fighting Systems, helping other fighters become world champions..

As for his current situation, i think he can definitely get back on the winning side.. i think he needs to focus more on his ground game.. he’s got a decent ground game, we just never see it cause he feels he MUST strike.. and at this point in his career, the striking needs to be pushed down and the grappling needs to come up.. We’ve seen his chin get weaker and weaker over the years.. It started with Gomi, then Sakurai, then Lauzon, he was dominated and almost put out by Faber in the first fight, then Garcia, and of course Faber’s striking is what led him to the 2nd victory..

Look at Pulver/Swanson for a second.. It was understood that if someone got knocked out, Pulver would be the winner, and if someone got submitted, Swanson would be the winner.. Pulver went out there, and from a routine sprawl, wrapped on a sick ass d’arce-like guillotine, and won by submission in 35 seconds.. Does that not stand out to anyone other than myself? That’s amazing..

If he fights again, he needs to put his ego on the backburner [which seems to be impossible for fighters these days] and take his opponent down.. I’m willing to guarantee that if he wrestled his next opponent, he’d win..

]]> By: Demie http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65448 Demie Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:10:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65448 According to an interview from a few weeks ago, Pulver trained at a gym located in a fucking shopping mall outside Tacoma, possibly with local amateurs. He had no chance of being ready for Faber and it's a miracle that he didn't look like a total chump last weekend. Pulver is only ready for retirement if this shows that he's not motivated anymore. Supposedly, he's been having some hard times and really wants to train fully with Matt Hume. But given that he was training for one of his biggest fights, I have to wonder what stopped him from getting to Kirkland (30ish miles north). Is he totally broke? Family emergencies? According to an interview from a few weeks ago, Pulver trained at a gym located in a fucking shopping mall outside Tacoma, possibly with local amateurs. He had no chance of being ready for Faber and it’s a miracle that he didn’t look like a total chump last weekend.

Pulver is only ready for retirement if this shows that he’s not motivated anymore. Supposedly, he’s been having some hard times and really wants to train fully with Matt Hume. But given that he was training for one of his biggest fights, I have to wonder what stopped him from getting to Kirkland (30ish miles north). Is he totally broke? Family emergencies?

]]> By: mikemick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65436 mikemick Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:18:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65436 His career isn't over. His career as a champion is however. Pulver is in the unfortunate situation where Penn is the UFC lightweight champ, and Faber is in the WEC featherweight division (even if he isn't champ). Those guys are monsters. I find no shame in losing back to back to Faber. If his career was over, it was before the Faber fight. Getting whooped by Faber isn't a career ending loss...it is what is expected. @Jgrose23 I have to disagree that Pulver at the top of his game could beat Faber. He was champ in a different era. The sport was much smaller then, with less competitors, and the skillsets just weren't what they are today. I'm not sure the Pulver of old could beat the Pulver of today. His career isn’t over. His career as a champion is however. Pulver is in the unfortunate situation where Penn is the UFC lightweight champ, and Faber is in the WEC featherweight division (even if he isn’t champ). Those guys are monsters. I find no shame in losing back to back to Faber. If his career was over, it was before the Faber fight. Getting whooped by Faber isn’t a career ending loss…it is what is expected.

@Jgrose23
I have to disagree that Pulver at the top of his game could beat Faber. He was champ in a different era. The sport was much smaller then, with less competitors, and the skillsets just weren’t what they are today. I’m not sure the Pulver of old could beat the Pulver of today.

]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65433 mu_shin Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:00:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65433 Pulver's legacy has a lot to do with bringing attention to the lighter weight divisions in MMA. Without Jens, I don't think you have Uriah Faber as a superstar, with all the notoriety he's gained. Have to agree with JJ, the first Faber/Pulver debacle proved Jens has life left in him, but the second fight was a wake up call. Jens has a crossroads in front of him, and which ever way he chooses to go, I don't think there is any denying he has been an MMA pioneer, and he might even warrant consideration for the Hall Of Fame. Pulver’s legacy has a lot to do with bringing attention to the lighter weight divisions in MMA. Without Jens, I don’t think you have Uriah Faber as a superstar, with all the notoriety he’s gained. Have to agree with JJ, the first Faber/Pulver debacle proved Jens has life left in him, but the second fight was a wake up call. Jens has a crossroads in front of him, and which ever way he chooses to go, I don’t think there is any denying he has been an MMA pioneer, and he might even warrant consideration for the Hall Of Fame.

]]> By: CubanLinx69 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65425 CubanLinx69 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:24:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65425 @screwface: for the most part you're spot on, except the changing of camps since just started training with Matt Hume. @screwface: for the most part you’re spot on, except the changing of camps since just started training with Matt Hume.

]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65423 screwface Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:17:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65423 i hope pulver never sees this article, as much as u tried to show him respect it was still insulting. fighting is all he knows, and todays mma fighters arent independent millionaires where retirement is really a viable option. as long as the fans are there and as long as the money is there, pulver u keep fighting. if anything he just needs to make a drastic camp change. hes learned all he can on his own with his current camp, and todays fighters who grew up watching him are just evolving more at a rapid pace. hes no where near done, and 34 is still young. articles like this are what contributes to the mental aspect where hes currently lacking, and understandably so. im sure pulver has made a lotta friends in other fighters in other camps and has gained the respect of many trainers who wish they had a chance to take him over the hump. your not done pulver by any means. its just time to branch out. if you cant beat em, join em. people still believe in you pulver. dont give up, theres no better teacher then a loss. if i were him id get with fabers peeps or look into team couture. just my thoughts ;) i hope pulver never sees this article, as much as u tried to show him respect it was still insulting. fighting is all he knows, and todays mma fighters arent independent millionaires where retirement is really a viable option. as long as the fans are there and as long as the money is there, pulver u keep fighting. if anything he just needs to make a drastic camp change. hes learned all he can on his own with his current camp, and todays fighters who grew up watching him are just evolving more at a rapid pace. hes no where near done, and 34 is still young. articles like this are what contributes to the mental aspect where hes currently lacking, and understandably so. im sure pulver has made a lotta friends in other fighters in other camps and has gained the respect of many trainers who wish they had a chance to take him over the hump. your not done pulver by any means. its just time to branch out. if you cant beat em, join em. people still believe in you pulver. dont give up, theres no better teacher then a loss. if i were him id get with fabers peeps or look into team couture. just my thoughts ;)

]]> By: jj http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65416 jj Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:36:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65416 anyone who can go five rounds with uriah fabre to a decision is not overrated. anyone who can go five rounds with uriah fabre to a decision is not overrated.

]]> By: JollyDV http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65410 JollyDV Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:01:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65410 BigDave- Your last sentence is spot on. BTW Jens is 34 years old. BigDave- Your last sentence is spot on.

BTW Jens is 34 years old.

]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65408 BigDave Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:55:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65408 Pulver is now and always will be in my top 3 fav fighters. He has had a great career that im not sure is over yet. he has hit a bump in the road but i think the biggest question out there is not pulvers ability but does he really have the desire to keep fighting. At 38 years old we all know he is nearing the end of his fighting career but im not ready to say he is done yet. lets see who he is in with next and take it from there. Even if he does leave the inside of the cage he will never leave the sport fully he will be training guys for years to come. and if the guys he trains have half the heart that lil evil has then his legacy in the sport will grow with them. Pulver is now and always will be in my top 3 fav fighters. He has had a great career that im not sure is over yet. he has hit a bump in the road but i think the biggest question out there is not pulvers ability but does he really have the desire to keep fighting. At 38 years old we all know he is nearing the end of his fighting career but im not ready to say he is done yet. lets see who he is in with next and take it from there. Even if he does leave the inside of the cage he will never leave the sport fully he will be training guys for years to come. and if the guys he trains have half the heart that lil evil has then his legacy in the sport will grow with them.

]]> By: Lord Faust http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65407 Lord Faust Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:52:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65407 To be fair, Pulver had a mountain of personal issues to try and push to the back of his mind while training to fight one of the best fighters his current weight division has ever seen. I don't put that forward as an excuse of any sort, but I would like to see Jens at least get a chance to have one last fight, hopefully with a clearer mind. To be fair, Pulver had a mountain of personal issues to try and push to the back of his mind while training to fight one of the best fighters his current weight division has ever seen. I don’t put that forward as an excuse of any sort, but I would like to see Jens at least get a chance to have one last fight, hopefully with a clearer mind.

]]> By: john http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65406 john Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:43:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65406 WOW, strong statement there PAULO, i believe he is a legend WOW, strong statement there PAULO, i believe he is a legend

]]> By: Jgrose23 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65404 Jgrose23 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:43:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65404 Paulo, you are out of your mind! Pulver is CLEARLY a legend in the fight game. He has had sustained succes over a long career. The tough thing with Pulver is that he is 145er fighting at 155 a lot, but there has never been the depth at 145 like there is now. I would be willing to wager that if you put "peak" Pulver against Urijah now, Jens wins. He has been a great ambassador for the sport and has a very impressive resume. I hope he sticks around, even if not fighting, in some form. The sport would miss him. Paulo, you are out of your mind! Pulver is CLEARLY a legend in the fight game. He has had sustained succes over a long career. The tough thing with Pulver is that he is 145er fighting at 155 a lot, but there has never been the depth at 145 like there is now. I would be willing to wager that if you put “peak” Pulver against Urijah now, Jens wins. He has been a great ambassador for the sport and has a very impressive resume. I hope he sticks around, even if not fighting, in some form. The sport would miss him.

]]> By: dedstrk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65402 dedstrk Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:37:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65402 I'd like to see him get some real good training time in with Hume before writing him off. He''ll always be one of my favorites because of what he's overcome in his life and for what a classy guy he is. I’d like to see him get some real good training time in with Hume before writing him off. He”ll always be one of my favorites because of what he’s overcome in his life and for what a classy guy he is.

]]> By: Paulo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/31/dolan-pulver-and-out/comment-page-1/#comment-65401 Paulo Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:35:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11448#comment-65401 I hate to say it because Jens seems like a really nice guy, but I think he has been overrated his entire career. He only has one truly significant win (BJ Penn) and has been riding of the coattails of that win for years.I certainly don't see him as a legend. I hate to say it because Jens seems like a really nice guy, but I think he has been overrated his entire career. He only has one truly significant win (BJ Penn) and has been riding of the coattails of that win for years.I certainly don’t see him as a legend.

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