Comments on: Snowden: Georges St. Pierre is “The G.O.A.T”

By: Dr. Sardonicus

Dr. Sardonicus — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:35:17 +0000

Vaseline or not, I’m not ready to concede G.O.A.T. status to GSP on the strength of a catchweight fight. If he were to beat Thiago Alves convincingly, it would make a stronger case.

By: alexovie

alexovie — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:37:21 +0000

The guy beats a fighter 20lbs. smaller than him and with vasoline on his back and shoulders, and he’s now the best fighter?

What no love for Anderson?

By: john

john — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:53:09 +0000

THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE RESPONSE TO ALL THIS BS:

1. Vaseline is only an issue because of the HYPE of this fight. This should be a no contest because there was NO CONTEST from BJ. Lets face it, how can the greatest MMA fight of all time be so one sided. Can one champion be so greater than another? The answer is probably yes.

2. George has not been tested from the old regime or the new regime. Is he not only the most athletic and diverse fighter, but also the most intelligent? This is hard to believe and yet the answer is probably yes?

3. Who’s fault is this? Georges and his corners? or is it the UFC or the Commision? The answer is obvious. Greg Jackson make a great point about how incredibly stupid it would be to intentionally cheat. Remember and I can stress this enough, the ultimate responsibility lies with the commission to oversee and ensure a “fair” fight. Stuff happens, low blows, illegal knees, eye pokes, how is this any different. It was not Herbs job, but definitely the people whose job it was to prevent this were there,noticed it and acted.

4. BJJ, Wrestling, Striking, an elitest in one can no longer claim to be king. As Saturday proved an elitest in two is not even good enough. Who is really the only fighter who is not a master in any, but is highly proficient in all three? And in which victory did he not prove this.

5. I aint on his jock just stating why we should not be on bj’s. Ego is a terrible thing but BJ you gotta understand that you are ruining MMA. I know you want to leave the seed of doubt but man all you had to say was I was wrong about George and about the jump in weight. Be the legend by leaving the proper legacy.

By: Dr. Sardonicus

Dr. Sardonicus — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:21:16 +0000

How do we know GSP would have dominated BJ without the vaseline? The truth is, we don’t.know. Assertions to the contrary are just speculation.

Sometimes little things like triangle submissions, for instance, suddenly end fights. Sure, GSP’s win was impressive and Penn appeared totally outmatched. But how can anyone be sure it would have gone the same without the vaseline? Personally, I was somewhat puzzled when BJ’s rubber guard kept slipping. At the time, I chalked it up to GSP’s superior maneuvering and condition. But when I found out about the vaseline, I wasn’t sure anymore.

One of the purposes of a fight is to put an end to the hype. For this to happen, the fight must be fair….within the rules. Otherwise, nothing is settled. If it is found that the accusation has no merit, then GSP is truly the greatest so far. Barring that, a third fight, -IF- Penn agrees to it, would end all doubt..

By: Bad jUjU

Bad jUjU — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:02:19 +0000

Mr. Enslow and those of like mind, you can’t possible think that GSP needs to cheat to win his fights can you? Now if it was Penn’s corner in question that would make sense because “I ran into footage, conclusive footage” that BJ didn’t train properly and must have thought he needed to cheat when GSP started administering that royal beat down on him. THAT I would more than likely believe because it makes sense. GSP is an honorable man and should be given every opportunity to clear this up. You haters are a wasted read, it doesn’t matter about what.

By: Chris Enslow

Chris Enslow — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:49:21 +0000

kRiS-tYaHn: How can you sit there and argue the facts? The video evidence is conclusive. Have you even re-watched the clips of GSP’s corner? Also, you are wrong about the commish wiping GSP down between rounds 1 and 2. That did not happen until between rounds 2 & 3, and 3 & 4. Get the facts, pal.

Like I said earlier, I blew this off too when I first heard it b/c of the total beatdown that GSP put on Penn. BUT, I ran into footage, conclusive footage, that shows GSP getting greased up.

I don’t even want to mention that reports of GSP greasing in the past are everywhere.

For the record, I am not a Penn fan. Believe it or not I WAS a total GSP fan until I saw the evidence. I have never rooted for cheaters, nor will I start now. And, yes, GSP is totally responsible for what happens in his corner.

By: Austin

Austin — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:32:45 +0000

Johnathon Snowden is the new jordan breen.

By: Orecets

Orecets — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:51:16 +0000

I dont think GSP was fighting a very good BJ Penn that night. The guy didnt look like he had been training very hard, and he didnt look like he was in very good shape.

I think if it was the same Penn that showed up and fought Sherk he would have done better against GSP. Maybe not a win, but not a total shutout.

By: FullMetal

FullMetal — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:46:59 +0000

Matt Sera… LOL

By: omar

omar — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:50:46 +0000

for me fedor is the g.o.a.t 9 years without a loss…. 26 winning streak… is heavy weight but he has fight people with more than 60 kilograms(i dunno pounds sorry) of disvantatge…. royce gracie fought people without rounds without classes… and gsp still 27 years old we need to wait to say he is the g.o.a.t he can imporve his marks yet

By: BigDave

BigDave — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:09:05 +0000

ok im only going to say this once Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world.

Now that i have that out of the way lets talk about who is the top pound4pound fighter in the world. There are only 2 guys that are in the running for this and no Fedor isnt one of them. Georges “rush” St.Pierre or Anderson”the spider”Silva.
In my opinion it is GSP but im a fan so im a bit biased but i feel the only way to end the contriversy is for the 2 of them to fight at a catch weight of 177-178. No belts just the 2 best in the world going at it to see who the better man is. After GSP fights Alves And Anderson fights Damian Maia(i think he will be the next in line after lietes) then i say this fight should happen cause at that point these guys would have destroyed there respective divisions. Only then will there be no arguement as to who the greatest pound4pound fighter on the planet is.

By: Imbecile

Imbecile — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:12:11 +0000

I partially agree with this article, and may well fully agree with you a year from now. However, I think right now we may be witnessing two of the greatest fighters of all time, and I’m not sure which is better at this point. GSP and Anderson Silva are the so most talented fighters I have ever seen. Ever! I think GSP is the more well-rounded, prototypical fighter of the two. There isnt a single area of the game where GSP isn’t a 9 or better on a scale of 10. However, I don’t know that there is another fighter out there has as potent and dangerous a weapon as Anderson Silva.

In breakng them down, it is hard for me to choose. GSP’s punches are top-notch. His wrestling is dominating. His jiu-jitsu for MMA is world-class. His kicks are fast and powerful. His cardio is unmatched. His mental game, constant improvement, and will to win are as good as anyone I have ever seen. He is just the most complete fighter out there.

Anderson Silva, however, may only be a 7 out of 10 in wrestling. His jiu-jitsu is very good, but may eventually be an issue if a ground wizard like Demian Maia is able to put him on his back, but at this point I have no idea if it an actual weakness, or just perceived. His cardio… doesn’t seem to be an issue, but like any other questions we may have about Silva’s game, we may never know. Why? Because one thing he does have over GSP is a weapon so devastating in his stand-up that nobody has even tested him.

GSP has had arguably the hardest road of any fighter, but Silva has hardly been fighting chumps. He has beaten Rich Franklin twice, Dan Henderson, Nate Marquardt, and a handful of other good fighters. And he has not only beaten them, he didn’t let them out of the second round. GSP dominated Josh Koscheck on the mats, and destroyed Jon Fitch on the feet, but both gutted out the onslaught to the final bell. Nobody has come close to that mark against Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva has more losses than GSP, however, those losses occurred further in the past than St. Pierre’s loss to Serra, and arguably when Silva was a different fighter. But GSP has avenged all his losses.

I go back and forth in my mind as to which of these two is the bestfighter I have ever seen, and both have their significant merits. I’m not ready to crown one over the other. That is why I am so desperate to see these two fight. Maybe size difference will make the contest a moot point, but right now I can’t decide who is better. But no one else comes close.

By: Rich B

Rich B — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:11:35 +0000

I don’t know that I agree with the premise of the article, but I must say that adding Jonathan Snowden is the best thing that’s happened to this site since it’s inception.

By: kRiS-tYaHn

kRiS-tYaHn — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:34 +0000

Chris Enslow: U just made the perfect example of the mind believes what it wants to believe, b/c u said that there was vaseline on GSP, well sorry dude ur wrong between round 1 & 2 the LV comm… employees rubbed off “very hard” any traces of vaseline that could of been on GSP, they also did the same to him in between rounds 2 & 3, so ur logic of BJ’s legs slipping due to “vaseline” is incorrect, and if u really look at the “clips” of when Nurse puts the “vaseline” on GSP u will see he dabs a bit on his fingers, touches up GSP’s face, then massages his temples, then rubs/massages his back and then tap’s his chest. So ur telling me that after he dabed a bit of vaseline on his fingers then to his face then to his temples that there was enough vaseline to rub on his back to make BJ’s legs slip down?!? Whatever it is ur smoking I would really like to try some, b/c that logic u just stated has more holes than BJ’s game plan VS GSP 2.

WOW incredible what the mind whats to believe!!! Do u really think a fighter like GSP would need to cheat? like comeone use ur head even for a second it has to say…. “we are in the 21st century & there are cameras everywhere, and there are always people watching, especially in this fight that they would on purpose put a crap load of vaseline on GSP’s back?!?” Get the F_ck out of here lol

What u BJ fans need to do is get all sweaty and roll around with ur other BJ nuthuger and then put ur legs 4 a high guard, not an attempt 4 a submission, buit 4 a high guard and let me know how the result turns out? I already know what the outcome will be, b/c I’ve been there done that. Not to mention, did u see the size difference, do u not understand a guy with GSP’s size and strength not being able to wiggle out of a high guard from BJ PENN?!? The last 3 fights BJ had were with guys who were how tall??? Pulver Joe Daddy & Sherk, OMG they have lil limbs and not even half as strong as GSP, which is why BJ coulndt get anything going, just like I said b4 BJ hasnt fought anyone like GSP, the strength & conditioning would almost be enough to get out of any attempts from BJ from his back, let alone throwing in his skill, game plan and will to win & to show everyone he deserved to win the 1st fight!!!!

P.S BJ fans get over it, theres no shame in losing to the future of MMA, like the article above said….. if u were to create the perfect MMA fighter u would have about 95% of the skills/abilities GSP has. Even GSP said, “I am better than BJ in every aspect & discipline of MMA” and he proved it. Dont forget to thank GSP’s coachs and trainers & training partners, my buddies and I almost coulndt beleive what we heard when GSP was talking after the fight about……” I was trying to tire him out in the 1st round, and to get all the blood rushing up to his shoulders by pushing me off, so it would make his punching so much slower” we were like WTF who actually thinks about a strategy like that?!? I have never EVER heard of someone talking about doing something as smart as that, amazing trianing & trianers to know that knowledge!!!

As well GSP had 0 intensions of taking BJ down in the 1st round, so those who think BJ was stuffing GSP’s takedowns, sorry u were wrong, he did that so BJ would lose energy which was perfect b/c his 1st attempt in the 2nd round what happen?!? BJ on the ground and it was all over after that, jsut a matter of time.

By: ctateo

ctateo — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:57:08 +0000

in such a young sport, worrying about the greatest of all time is ridiculous. Hell fighters have only become well versed in multiple diciplines in the last few years.

SECONDLY, please don’t base so much about the GOAT idea on a fight with an undersized opponent.

After Fitch I was impresses…..Fitch is an actual WW. Sherk……..overmuscled LW when he fought 170., still shorter than some 145ers………..

Hughes……..great fighter, but from the old school………couldn’t stand an trade with to many fighters, his wrestling meant he didn’t have to. So stop the takedown and what exactly did hughes bring?

I am a fan of GSP, but his legacy is still being built, as some of his greatest opponents are not yet household names…………

By: Voridor

Voridor — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:55:38 +0000

With Brock Larson, Conduct, and his next fight with Alves. If he can weather the storm of 09…Then Georgie might be the best.

By: seth

seth — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:22:26 +0000

ok lets just say for the sake of arguement that the vasiline played a issue. so how do we remedy it ? put them in the ring again? ummm dont know about everyone else but bj got steamrolled with or without vasiline. you them in the ring again and fight goes the same way if not worse for bj. probably wouldnt make it out of the first round on a second go round. gsp is just too good right now. he doesnt need to cheat hes that much better than everyone else.

By: htown-chris

htown-chris — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:03:49 +0000

what makes gsp quite possibly the greatest of all time (and i am a penn fan), is the fact that he is quite possibly the most evolved fighter of all time. at this point. in the beginning of the ufc you had style v style. as it evolved you had one style mixed in with another style v style. all the way to the present day. the sport has evolved and the result is gsp. pure athleticism, killer instinct, great stand up, awesome g n p, outstanding wrestler, and good jits. we talk about peoples weapons gsp has his wrestling and gnp but he also has probably the best switch kick in the game. simply put he has all the tools that you would expect the g.o.a.t. to have. and uses them better than anybody else at this time. so at this time he is the greatest.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:45:09 +0000

No,

Fedor disagrees due to how many people have beat him during his career and as an undersized HW.

Although this article is making Matt Hughes and Matt Serra very happy, I am sure.

By: monsoon

monsoon — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:39:05 +0000

Maybe GSP is. But it seems a bit rare to proclaim this at this point. What has changed since his last fight? He beat Penn, who acted quite unimpressive.
Sure Penn might be the Prodigy, but first of all I’d like to state that GSP did not have anything big to win in that fight. It would have been a severe setback for him had he lost to the smaller man, challenging GSP at his own wheightclass, no matter how strong Penn might be considered.
Well, and that leads to one point in his success: St. Pierre seems to match perfectly into the welterweight class, i.e. he is build just as strong and heavy that modern wheightcutting can get im exactly at the 170 weight limit, and additionally he is a near-perfect athlete and fighter. Then, the near-perfect game plan against penn comes into play.

That still leaves him to maybe destroy A. Silva to become “the greatest of all time” – whilst it is still hard to compare an athletically not so impressive Royce Gracie winning one-day tournaments against monsters of men…

Leave GSP a bit of air to breathe!