Comments on: B.J. Penn requests formal investigation

By: Dr. Sardonicus

Dr. Sardonicus — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:08:21 +0000

I agree BJ looked in poor shape and tired badly after the first round. GSP’s fitness was outstanding. His activity level was high until the end. And GSP fought brilliantly. It is tempting to think the final outcome would have been the same with or without the grease but it’s really speculation.

In truth, we don’t know.

By: Orecets

Orecets — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:49:02 +0000

I think greasing George up would have a much larger effect on BJ’s ability to fight off his back, which is something both camps knew he was going to be doing a lot of.

I think BJ’s loss had more to do with the fact that he looked to be in horrid shape than cheating though. But neither really helped him.

By: Dr. Sardonicus

Dr. Sardonicus — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:20:55 +0000

How do we know GSP would have dominated BJ without the vaseline? Sometimes little things like triangle submissions, for instance, suddenly end fights. Sure, GSP’s win was impressive and Penn appeared totally outmatched. But how can anyone be sure it would have gone the same without the vaseline? Personally, I was somewhat puzzled when BJ’s rubber guard kept slipping. At the time, I chalked it up to GSP’s superior maneuvering and condition. But when I found out about the vaseline, I wasn’t sure anymore.

One of the purposes of a fight is to put an end to the hype. For this to happen, the fight must be fair….within the rules. Otherwise, nothing is settled. A third fight, -IF- Penn agrees to it, would settle all questions.

By: kingtcb

kingtcb — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:29:09 +0000

Bj lost. we know that get over it. Bj said watch out for gsp greasing up which they did and low and behold they found him cheating what a shock. That’s what this is all about. Bj never said he didn’t get his ass whooped. Bj never said he is trying to argue the loss to get it removed. All Bj is doing is telling the truth about gsp cheating. Sorry all of u feel you need to defend you hero so much because it breakes your hearts he is a cheater. But don’t take it out on Penn and make him look like the cheater I don’t believe his corner was jellying him up

By: Austin

Austin — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:51:42 +0000

POST TITS(Letter) OR GTFO

By: Grappo

Grappo — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:59:06 +0000

Fuck you BJ Penn. You suck. How dare you request an investigation into a fight in which you took major damage, and something illegal might have contributed to it. I say again, HOW DARE YOU !

Philip
So, is BJ saying Nurse was really sly and put vaseline on GSP’s legs too…? Thaaat must be why GSP kept passing BJ’s guard…

Riiiight. Because repeatedly slipping out of high and rubber guard, and softening BJ up with punches because he was so able to effectively do so, had no bearing on his passing BJ’s guard. It’s all connected.

Not saying vaseline had anything to do with it. But to say it absolutely didn’t is ridiculous.

By: RICK

RICK — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:36:58 +0000

Gosh, what can i say…BJ Penn. quit while you are ahead. You have already been beaten like a dog. You were made to eat your words as well. Man leave it alone and move on for the love of God!!! Your such an awsome fighter, it hurts me man.

By: eric

eric — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:10:20 +0000

while i dont think there should be a formal investigation or anything serious like that, i do think that BJ has a valid point.

gsp’s camp did in fact put vaseline on GSP’s back (though they wiped most of it off later on). This would have no effect on GSP’s repeated takedowns but during the match you CAN see BJ’s legs consistently trying to close guard around GSP, and you CAN see his legs sliding off.

whether or not this would affect the outcome is beyond me, but BJ would have probably been able to mount a more significant offense without the vaseline.

By: Abullah TB

Abullah TB — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:57:11 +0000

This whole makes Penn and his camp look petty and juvenile. Penn is no novice. Apparently GSP was slippery but ring savvy Penn couldn’t clue into it.

I pray for a rematch. GSP was motivated to take Penn down for the second match. Can you imagine how much more motivated he would be if he fought Penn again?

Walking into the ring before the fight, I thought Penn looked nervous and tense. All the trash talk he was doing on the 24 special is called projecting. It was HIM that came across as weak minded and a quitter.

I don’t recall him arguing with his corner or getting mad when they threw the towel in.

I call Karma on Baby J. emphasis on “baby”

By: Lord Faust

Lord Faust — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:14:04 +0000

“Did they actually refer to Georges St. Pierre as GSP in the legal document? If so, hahahahahahahahah!!!!”

They also call the Federal Bureau of Investigation the “FBI” in legal documents. They’re called abbreviations…

By: Justin Bailey

Justin Bailey — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:33:56 +0000

In my opinion B.J. is just looking for a reason 2 pin the loss on, and i agree that NSAC should of protected him better. There was several times i thought the fight should of been called. I don’t believe what they are acussing GSP of is true, the reason he is slipping out of all B.J.’s submission attempts is simply because GSP is on a totally different level than B.J. My suggestions for B.J. is to stay at 155. Im not saying that B.J. isn’t a good athlete and im not questioning B.J.’s ju jitsu, all im saying is GSP is on another level.

By: Rhinoboy

Rhinoboy — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:23:37 +0000

I hope they make GSP fight BJ again so that I can see BJ get his RICH BOY ass kicked again. BJ, SHUT THE F**K UP AND RETIRE ALREADY!!!!!!

By: Dana

Dana — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:14:13 +0000

Wow!! I really thought this was much ado about nothing from the beginning…….but now I think I see why all the fuss.

Valentino and Kizer had big plans for that vaseline later that night….and to see it just wasted like that……I guess that’s why they got so upset.

By: TS

TS — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:58:24 +0000

I had a lot of respect for BJ Penn before all of this. He has always been a favorite fighter of mine. But now all he is doing now is whining. Obviously Pierre is the better fighter. Penn’s other strength is his stand up. Since he wasn’t able to utilize that, does that mean that GSP cheated someway with that too. C’mon, this is getting ridiculous.

You lost, take it, deal with it, & with class

By: Mocanuck

Mocanuck — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:16:08 +0000

When the investigation exonerates GSP then BJ will look like a bigger putz than he already does (particularly with the “george… you’re a front runner… a quitter… ad nauseum”). I don’t recall BJ vehemently protesting when his corner quit on his behalf.

By: JOe K.

JOe K. — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:38:47 +0000

Did they actually refer to Georges St. Pierre as GSP in the legal document?

If so, hahahahahahahahah!!!!

By: persian_prince

persian_prince — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:21:05 +0000

i hope gsp offers this lamo another chance so we can see his big head getting smashed for the second time, only this time they better call a hearse instead of an ambulance. however, bj would NEVER in a million years get in the octagon with gsp again, because he knows very well what awaits him, lube or no lube.

By: Guy Gaduois

Guy Gaduois — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:20:21 +0000

P.S. Dear Mr. Kizer,
I am also missing 17 I.Q. points. I had them after round 2, but after several strikes to my head, they fell out. I believe someone from GSP’s corner took them. I also seem to have lost track of several memories: my 4th grade school year, who I took to the prom and where I hid my hide-a-key. I would appreciate the return of this information as well. I also no longer wear 501s, the buttons confuse me. And there are too many letters in places that I see them when I look.
Rest Begards,
BP Jenn

By: Dr.Stoppage

Dr.Stoppage — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:15:08 +0000

“2. The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant. The referees or the Commission’s representative in charge shall cause any excessive grease or foreign substance to be removed.”

That’s the wording of the rule .
Based on that,I’d say GSP’s camp did nothing wrong.
I guess they just need to determine how much “excessive” is.
If Nurse,dabs his fingers,wipes GSP’s face ,then proceeds with the massage,breathing technique, etc. does he rub an excessive amount onto GSP?

By: drcman

drcman — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:01:11 +0000

The point people are making here is that BJ would have lost either way. My question is, why didn’t BJ bring all of this all into the public scene BEFORE the fight. We know he had certain people looking for it, but why not say it to GSP and to us in the Prime Time specials? Why? Because he wanted to add doubt to GSP if he were to win… Probably so he wouldn’t look like such an idiot when all of his crap talking turned out to be a personal reflection of his own character. If he would have brought it out into the open, there is no way that GSP’s corner would have thought to have done that (well whatever truly did happen) and there wouldn’t have been any doubt for BJ fans. For the rest of the world, there is no doubt GSP would have won, with or without the supposed grease… Come on Baby James….. learn a little humility and take your loss.