Comments on: Caplan: Has the WEC’s time come and gone? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 20:16:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: GetItOn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66498 GetItOn Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:17:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66498 The WEC is not going anywhere. : ) The WEC is not going anywhere. : )

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]]> By: nointention http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66385 nointention Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:12:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66385 Honestly - Zuffa has played this card wrong. From the beginning the WEC SHOULD have been UFC-lite. It should have been where fighters try to show that they are worthy of being in the UFC. A minor league of sorts. There could be belts but they wouldn't be worth much. Overall - they should have every division the UFC has and fight lower tiered fights. And when they string together a bunch of good wins they can 'graduate' to the UFC. Honestly – Zuffa has played this card wrong. From the beginning the WEC SHOULD have been UFC-lite. It should have been where fighters try to show that they are worthy of being in the UFC. A minor league of sorts. There could be belts but they wouldn’t be worth much. Overall – they should have every division the UFC has and fight lower tiered fights. And when they string together a bunch of good wins they can ‘graduate’ to the UFC.

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]]> By: meatloaf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66373 meatloaf Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:09:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66373 @DJ "Sure they have cut a couple off weight-classes, but everytime they do that, they also add new ones." NO. They've eliminated three weight classes and adding one. @DJ
“Sure they have cut a couple off weight-classes, but everytime they do that, they also add new ones.”
NO.
They’ve eliminated three weight classes and adding one.

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]]> By: DJ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66371 DJ Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:37:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66371 The only issue I have with this article is that the WEC keeps adding new divisions. Sure, they have cut a couple of weight-classes, but everytime they do that, they also add new ones. The only issue I have with this article is that the WEC keeps adding new divisions. Sure, they have cut a couple of weight-classes, but everytime they do that, they also add new ones.

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]]> By: ultmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66367 ultmma Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:55:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66367 Great Take. I haven't heard anyone in the MMA take this angle or position before. And the WEC does not have to make the jump directly to PPV. If, the WEC and UFC merge than we are one step closer to maybe weekly Friday Night Cards live on Spike ( sure beats another rerun of CSI) Also, look at Satuday's UFN card imagine as your main event you had Varner vs. Cerrone along with j-Lau vs. Stephens. Could of made of added Pulver vs. Faber to UFC 93 or 94. Zuffa can find homes for the 135 and 145 pound guys. Cards would be much more stacked, the fighters would get more exposure thru a wider TV outlet in Spike Looking for any draw backs in this?? Great Take. I haven’t heard anyone in the MMA take this angle or position before.

And the WEC does not have to make the jump directly to PPV. If, the WEC and UFC merge than we are one step closer to maybe weekly Friday Night Cards live on Spike ( sure beats another rerun of CSI)

Also, look at Satuday’s UFN card imagine as your main event you had Varner vs. Cerrone along with j-Lau vs. Stephens.

Could of made of added Pulver vs. Faber to UFC 93 or 94. Zuffa can find homes for the 135 and 145 pound guys.

Cards would be much more stacked, the fighters would get more exposure thru a wider TV outlet in Spike

Looking for any draw backs in this??

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]]> By: Ryan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66366 Ryan Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:23:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66366 Great Article. I think the UFC should definitley incorporate the lighter divisions. However, I feel like charging more for MMA could really hurt the bottom line. From what my friends and I have discerned, we are already at our breaking point as far as paying for MMA. Affliction shows are not shown at bars, thus we have to buy them no matter what. The 2 UFC events or so are setting us back $70 a month. That's like 120 bucks a month total. I love MMA, but I just don't think that the orgs can afford to charge more during down economic times. Great Article. I think the UFC should definitley incorporate the lighter divisions. However, I feel like charging more for MMA could really hurt the bottom line. From what my friends and I have discerned, we are already at our breaking point as far as paying for MMA. Affliction shows are not shown at bars, thus we have to buy them no matter what. The 2 UFC events or so are setting us back $70 a month. That’s like 120 bucks a month total. I love MMA, but I just don’t think that the orgs can afford to charge more during down economic times.

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]]> By: Austin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66349 Austin Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:37:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66349 Limited growth due to limited exposure. Limited growth due to limited exposure.

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]]> By: CubanLinx69 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66327 CubanLinx69 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:54:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66327 good stuff good stuff

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]]> By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66324 JOe K. Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:37:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66324 Just an FYI the last event had 10:34 seconds of televised fighting excluding the Main Event. If the main event was 20 minutes and the show ran 15 to twenty minutes over that means that for 135 minutes there was only 30 minutes of fighting. Just an FYI the last event had 10:34 seconds of televised fighting excluding the Main Event.

If the main event was 20 minutes and the show ran 15 to twenty minutes over that means that for 135 minutes there was only 30 minutes of fighting.

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]]> By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66322 JOe K. Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:35:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66322 "The shows are well-paced" YEAH RIGHT!!!!!! You yourself said they inexplicably had an episode of sports soup sandwiched between an event. Their last event started 15 minutes late and ended almost 30 minutes late. All of the fights (with the exception of the title fight) were one rounders so if any of the other fights would have gone more than 2 rounds we would not get to see all of the main card fights (*see Cerrone/McCollough) The last 3 events have been garbage (in terms of pacing). Its unfortunate because the fights are almost always exciting, more so than the UFC. Its a shame that the pacing is so bad. I absolutly love the WEC but this pacing is moving me toward downloading it on the internet to get away from the excessive commercial breaks. I hope this article can help change the way things are headed. If I could contact them I would. Regarding your article I would happily pay for a WEC ppv. I love the lighter weights. The lighter the fighter generally the more action you get. I can't wait to see the flyweights buzzing around! “The shows are well-paced”

YEAH RIGHT!!!!!! You yourself said they inexplicably had an episode of sports soup sandwiched between an event. Their last event started 15 minutes late and ended almost 30 minutes late.

All of the fights (with the exception of the title fight) were one rounders so if any of the other fights would have gone more than 2 rounds we would not get to see all of the main card fights (*see Cerrone/McCollough)

The last 3 events have been garbage (in terms of pacing).

Its unfortunate because the fights are almost always exciting, more so than the UFC. Its a shame that the pacing is so bad.

I absolutly love the WEC but this pacing is moving me toward downloading it on the internet to get away from the excessive commercial breaks.

I hope this article can help change the way things are headed. If I could contact them I would.

Regarding your article I would happily pay for a WEC ppv. I love the lighter weights. The lighter the fighter generally the more action you get. I can’t wait to see the flyweights buzzing around!

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66315 Angry Mike Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:47:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66315 I always maintained that WEC should be an org. where Zuffa developed new talent before bringing them into the UFC. AA or AAA baseball to UFC's major league, if you will. Now that WEC has dropped its light heavy, middle and welter weight division, I question whether WEC is still viable. I suspect that Zuffa is slowly moving toward a consolidation with UFC. From the perspective of the fighters, those who make the cut will be better off in the UFC because the payout son the last WEC card were comparatively low, even for Faber. I always maintained that WEC should be an org. where Zuffa developed new talent before bringing them into the UFC. AA or AAA baseball to UFC’s major league, if you will. Now that WEC has dropped its light heavy, middle and welter weight division, I question whether WEC is still viable. I suspect that Zuffa is slowly moving toward a consolidation with UFC. From the perspective of the fighters, those who make the cut will be better off in the UFC because the payout son the last WEC card were comparatively low, even for Faber.

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]]> By: Nick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66311 Nick Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:33:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66311 wow my spelling is terrible :oS wow my spelling is terrible :o S

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]]> By: Nick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66310 Nick Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:32:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66310 i have been for them going the oppostie way and sending the lightweight division form UFC down to WEC and add the already mentioned flyweight and a woman's division or 2 and you'd have a very healthy org. that would likely be much more profitable. i have been for them going the oppostie way and sending the lightweight division form UFC down to WEC and add the already mentioned flyweight and a woman’s division or 2 and you’d have a very healthy org. that would likely be much more profitable.

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]]> By: Lethal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66309 Lethal Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:28:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66309 If UFC merges WEC into UFC they should still continue doing the same basic amount of shows a year. You can still do 8-9 free cable Fight Night type of shows on Versus in addition to the amount already on Spike. And it just means that guys like Miguel Torres and Urijah Faber could be in main event or co-main event roles on UFC PPVs instead of headlining cards only on Versus. The WEC still has a LW division but you can easily just move guys like Cerrone, Varner, Roller, Henderson, McCullough, Palaszewski, Crunkilton, etc. into the UFC. Most of them would be just prelim fighters in UFC but if they do succeed in UFC theres more long term pay for them in UFC then in WEC. For example if you get Fight of the Night bonus on a UFC PPV depending on big the event is that's like a $50,000-$65,000 bonus, when in WEC the most they've given out is like $7,500. If UFC merges WEC into UFC they should still continue doing the same basic amount of shows a year. You can still do 8-9 free cable Fight Night type of shows on Versus in addition to the amount already on Spike. And it just means that guys like Miguel Torres and Urijah Faber could be in main event or co-main event roles on UFC PPVs instead of headlining cards only on Versus.

The WEC still has a LW division but you can easily just move guys like Cerrone, Varner, Roller, Henderson, McCullough, Palaszewski, Crunkilton, etc. into the UFC. Most of them would be just prelim fighters in UFC but if they do succeed in UFC theres more long term pay for them in UFC then in WEC. For example if you get Fight of the Night bonus on a UFC PPV depending on big the event is that’s like a $50,000-$65,000 bonus, when in WEC the most they’ve given out is like $7,500.

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]]> By: mindone http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66303 mindone Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:07:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66303 yeah, fold the wec into the ufc but show more ufc on spike and vs, yeah, fold the wec into the ufc but show more ufc on spike and vs,

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66298 HexRei Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:57:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66298 I think the WEC is far from gone, it is basically now the UFC's lighter weightclass little brother. It's a good niche IMHO, and I think we will see rising stars coming from the new flyweight division as well as more stars in bantam and lightweight. I think the WEC is far from gone, it is basically now the UFC’s lighter weightclass little brother. It’s a good niche IMHO, and I think we will see rising stars coming from the new flyweight division as well as more stars in bantam and lightweight.

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]]> By: john in rockwall tx http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66297 john in rockwall tx Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:53:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66297 penn vs faber would be sick, i agree, and even sherk vs faber penn vs faber would be sick, i agree, and even sherk vs faber

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]]> By: Guy Gaduois http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66294 Guy Gaduois Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:42:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66294 Blending in the WEC to the UFC would give a greater capactiy for high quality monthly shows; the additional PPV draw is an unknown. I have only one begging request: Please retain the camera operators and the directors from WEC. The work on the WEC broadcasts by these technicians is absolutely head and shoulders above the rest of televised MMA. There is no better camera placement and work, editing and cutting than what the WEC broadcasts. I enjoy the technical presentation of the WEC much more than I have UFC or Affliction or HDNet's various presentations. Please keep the guys on the cameras and in the booth, whatever else happens! Blending in the WEC to the UFC would give a greater capactiy for high quality monthly shows; the additional PPV draw is an unknown.

I have only one begging request: Please retain the camera operators and the directors from WEC. The work on the WEC broadcasts by these technicians is absolutely head and shoulders above the rest of televised MMA. There is no better camera placement and work, editing and cutting than what the WEC broadcasts. I enjoy the technical presentation of the WEC much more than I have UFC or Affliction or HDNet’s various presentations.

Please keep the guys on the cameras and in the booth, whatever else happens!

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]]> By: JDamico23 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66293 JDamico23 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:40:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66293 i also agree with kidney...the day it costs me 40 dollars on 3 separate occaisons a month to keep up with MMA, is the day im either on blogs asking where the free feed is, or the day i move to a less expensive hobby...then again, theres always PJ Whelihans =-) i also agree with kidney…the day it costs me 40 dollars on 3 separate occaisons a month to keep up with MMA, is the day im either on blogs asking where the free feed is, or the day i move to a less expensive hobby…then again, theres always PJ Whelihans =-)

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]]> By: kidneybeans http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/05/caplan-has-the-wecs-time-come-and-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-66292 kidneybeans Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:39:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11690#comment-66292 I could get on board with merging their show with UFC ppvs, though I like being able to watch those shows for free. Just as long as they don't expect me to shell out any more for WEC ppv's. I'm as much a hardcore mma fan as anyone but the cost is ridiculous already. I work and make a pretty good living but I can't afford them all, as much as I'd like to see them all. I could get on board with merging their show with UFC ppvs, though I like being able to watch those shows for free. Just as long as they don’t expect me to shell out any more for WEC ppv’s. I’m as much a hardcore mma fan as anyone but the cost is ridiculous already. I work and make a pretty good living but I can’t afford them all, as much as I’d like to see them all.

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