Comments on: Putting The “Fix” in Affliction http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 20:16:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: PlagueAngel http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66889 PlagueAngel Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:03:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66889 This has been my favorite article and Blog discussion yet! I didn't know that bars had to pay as much as 1,500 to televise ppv mma. "GetItOn" was funny with his comments on Linland. You know it was awesome on a scientific level to see him twiching after a good smack in the kisser! This has been my favorite article and Blog discussion yet! I didn’t know that bars had to pay as much as 1,500 to televise ppv mma. “GetItOn” was funny with his comments on Linland. You know it was awesome on a scientific level to see him twiching after a good smack in the kisser!

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]]> By: s00nertp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66701 s00nertp Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:53:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66701 Affliction has many challenges, I dont know the solution... but it is easiest to want to copy the UFC. All I have to say is I'm enjoying their attempt, I appreciate the fights they have set up, and eagerly await the next event. PS: I cross my fingers that more people continue to follow with the same enthusiasm. Affliction has many challenges, I dont know the solution… but it is easiest to want to copy the UFC.

All I have to say is I’m enjoying their attempt, I appreciate the fights they have set up, and eagerly await the next event.

PS: I cross my fingers that more people continue to follow with the same enthusiasm.

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66645 Angry Mike Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:16:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66645 I don't think that the production issues will be problematic, assuming Affliction continues to promote fights. I say that because there was improvement in the second show as compared to the first. Affliction's biggest challenge is in marketing to increase ppv buys. Speaking of which, were its final numbers ever publicized? I don't recall seeing them. I don’t think that the production issues will be problematic, assuming Affliction continues to promote fights. I say that because there was improvement in the second show as compared to the first. Affliction’s biggest challenge is in marketing to increase ppv buys. Speaking of which, were its final numbers ever publicized? I don’t recall seeing them.

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]]> By: notdanawhite http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66628 notdanawhite Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:16:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66628 Terrific suggestions, well done. Affliction is quite the enigma. It seems basic that an outstanding presentation is required for PPV success. The best of the best TV and event producers and crew on the planet are right there in LA. All they have to do is give some of that Affliction money to them. I like their fights and am glad the fighters have an opportunity to work and receive a nice payday. But the goofy production keeps me from spending for the PPV. I'll go to a bar that shows it for free.Or, check out the "counter programming" and watch Affliction later via a friend with DVR. My 2 cents. Terrific suggestions, well done.

Affliction is quite the enigma. It seems basic that an outstanding presentation is required for PPV success.

The best of the best TV and event producers and crew on the planet are right there in LA. All they have to do is give some of that Affliction money to them.

I like their fights and am glad the fighters have an opportunity to work and receive a nice payday.

But the goofy production keeps me from spending for the PPV. I’ll go to a bar that shows it for free.Or, check out the “counter programming” and watch Affliction later via a friend with DVR.

My 2 cents.

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66627 Cathedron Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:35:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66627 I hate to defend him, but Tito was pronouncing Fedor's name correctly. Or at least, he was closer than 99% of North America. I hate to defend him, but Tito was pronouncing Fedor’s name correctly. Or at least, he was closer than 99% of North America.

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]]> By: Lee Gerowitz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66623 Lee Gerowitz Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:20:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66623 RoadsideGraphix ..."This event was shown all over the world. It made money… NO DOUBT.' Let's say you are correct. Well, this article is talking about the long term prospects for the company. If Affliction survives long-term with the payroll they've had during their first two shows, then MSNBC (or another biz channel) should dedicate a whole week's worth of programming on them. "You can compare everything to the UFC but if you love the UFC is your view askew? I think DREAM is a great promotion even though I can understand 70% of what is being said." No, my view is not askew. Bottom line is, the UFC is, for all intents and purposes, what every MMA promotion wants to be, in terms of financial success and popularity. I hope that you're aware of the fact that DREAM also has financial issues. And to admit that you don't understand most of what is being said, but you love it, well...c'mon. If Affliction survives financially, the opportunity is there for them to get better, no doubt. But it's a big "if." I think I can speak for every writer on this site and MMA fan when I say that I hope Affliction succeeds, because competition is good. And from a personal perspective, I would like to write on more promotions than just the UFC. Unfortunately, no one has the TV presence that they do right now. Thanks for the feedback. Always appreciated, even if we agree to disagree. RoadsideGraphix …”This event was shown all over the world.
It made money… NO DOUBT.’

Let’s say you are correct. Well, this article is talking about the long term prospects for the company. If Affliction survives long-term with the payroll they’ve had during their first two shows, then MSNBC (or another biz channel) should dedicate a whole week’s worth of programming on them.

“You can compare everything to the UFC but if you love the UFC is your view askew?
I think DREAM is a great promotion even though I can understand 70% of what is being said.”
No, my view is not askew. Bottom line is, the UFC is, for all intents and purposes, what every MMA promotion wants to be, in terms of financial success and popularity. I hope that you’re aware of the fact that DREAM also has financial issues. And to admit that you don’t understand most of what is being said, but you love it, well…c’mon.

If Affliction survives financially, the opportunity is there for them to get better, no doubt. But it’s a big “if.”

I think I can speak for every writer on this site and MMA fan when I say that I hope Affliction succeeds, because competition is good. And from a personal perspective, I would like to write on more promotions than just the UFC. Unfortunately, no one has the TV presence that they do right now.

Thanks for the feedback. Always appreciated, even if we agree to disagree.

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]]> By: Jonathan Snowden http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66619 Jonathan Snowden Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:36:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66619 This was an interesting article and I don't want to shift focus from it to me. But to be fair, the above was not really the point of my early article. I had an issue with: "Fans that are discussing the finances above all else." I don't have a problem with people discussing the business of sport. That has its place. I just wanted people to appreciate the card we were given and think about the fights for just a moment. especially when the show was just a day away and people were only discussing buyrates and gross and box office. Anyway, this article is a different bird all together, talking primarily about how the show was put together and how the production can and should improve. It's a far cry from the kind of article I was talking about. This was an interesting article and I don’t want to shift focus from it to me. But to be fair, the above was not really the point of my early article. I had an issue with:

“Fans that are discussing the finances above all else.”

I don’t have a problem with people discussing the business of sport. That has its place. I just wanted people to appreciate the card we were given and think about the fights for just a moment. especially when the show was just a day away and people were only discussing buyrates and gross and box office.

Anyway, this article is a different bird all together, talking primarily about how the show was put together and how the production can and should improve. It’s a far cry from the kind of article I was talking about.

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]]> By: Jak http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66610 Jak Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:38:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66610 I don't mean to be critical, but right before Day of Reckoning, there was an article written(by Jonathon Snowden) on this site saying how fans were dumb to even ask questions or "focus" on Afflictions business model and the way they go about putting on shows. And now there is an article, doing exactly that. I don’t mean to be critical, but right before Day of Reckoning, there was an article written(by Jonathon Snowden) on this site saying how fans were dumb to even ask questions or “focus” on Afflictions business model and the way they go about putting on shows.

And now there is an article, doing exactly that.

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]]> By: RoadsideGraphix http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66608 RoadsideGraphix Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:26:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66608 I feel this is overly critical of a 2nd show. For starters.... This event was shown all over the world. It made money... NO DOUBT You can compare everything to the UFC but if you love the UFC is your view askew? I think DREAM is a great promotion even though I can understand 70% of what is being said. Affliction is growing and should get better with time. I am glad its not like 1 huge PPV COMMERCIAL like the UFC is anymore. Yeah the UFC gives us some free fights on Spike (most are better then the PPVs) but they dont pay their fighters anything compared to what Zuffa is earning. I feel this is overly critical of a 2nd show.

For starters…. This event was shown all over the world.
It made money… NO DOUBT

You can compare everything to the UFC but if you love the UFC is your view askew?
I think DREAM is a great promotion even though I can understand 70% of what is being said.

Affliction is growing and should get better with time.
I am glad its not like 1 huge PPV COMMERCIAL like the UFC is anymore.
Yeah the UFC gives us some free fights on Spike (most are better then the PPVs) but they dont pay their fighters anything compared to what Zuffa is earning.

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]]> By: JollyDV http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66603 JollyDV Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:19:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66603 Nice write up! Agree, keep Tito out of the ring. If only as a favor to the fighter who is getting a chance to speak post fight. With more experience Tito will improve as a color commentator. I have purchased both Affliction shows and DOR is by far the better show. The production was better and I think the fights were better. As with any new "project", there are going to be snafu's. I truly hope that Affliction can work through these and continue to put on exciting, action packed cards. I think re-allocating monies from prize purses toward production would be a good start. Nice write up!

Agree, keep Tito out of the ring. If only as a favor to the fighter who is getting a chance to speak post fight. With more experience Tito will improve as a color commentator.

I have purchased both Affliction shows and DOR is by far the better show. The production was better and I think the fights were better. As with any new “project”, there are going to be snafu’s. I truly hope that Affliction can work through these and continue to put on exciting, action packed cards.

I think re-allocating monies from prize purses toward production would be a good start.

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]]> By: GetItOn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66602 GetItOn Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:00:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66602 As far as Tito Ortiz and his issue with pronouncing words/names correctly, I honestly don't think that will ever change. I know people that have this very issue and even though you correct them, they still continue to screw it up. Makes me laugh but hey, you are who you are. Everyone has flaws. As far as Tito Ortiz and his issue with pronouncing words/names correctly, I honestly don’t think that will ever change. I know people that have this very issue and even though you correct them, they still continue to screw it up. Makes me laugh but hey, you are who you are. Everyone has flaws.

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]]> By: GetItOn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66601 GetItOn Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:57:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66601 BigDave - yea it's nice to see instant replays of what happened that caused the damage but seeing someone completely incoherent laying on the ground for an extended period of time is unnecessary. Especially showing when the guys body "comes to" but his mind doesn't. IMO it was interesting to see but for the average viewer who has been turned off to MMA because of horror stories or bloodbaths and broken limbs certainly should not be viewing that situation. It's not necessary the amount of time spent filming Lindland unconscious. I am sure that if a player in the NFL was out cold and flopping on the ground, they certainly would go to a commercial and maybe come back when that player is conscious, body and mind and getting ready to be hauled off the field. BigDave – yea it’s nice to see instant replays of what happened that caused the damage but seeing someone completely incoherent laying on the ground for an extended period of time is unnecessary. Especially showing when the guys body “comes to” but his mind doesn’t. IMO it was interesting to see but for the average viewer who has been turned off to MMA because of horror stories or bloodbaths and broken limbs certainly should not be viewing that situation. It’s not necessary the amount of time spent filming Lindland unconscious. I am sure that if a player in the NFL was out cold and flopping on the ground, they certainly would go to a commercial and maybe come back when that player is conscious, body and mind and getting ready to be hauled off the field.

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]]> By: Austin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66600 Austin Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:54:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66600 Tito Ortiz has always been a stuttering idiot. Not to mention he makes up words. His grammar could use some work. Tito Ortiz has always been a stuttering idiot. Not to mention he makes up words. His grammar could use some work.

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66599 BigDave Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:54:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66599 Good article i agree with most of it but zito and farrell sucked real bad. and the part about showing a bad injury you where so wrong on that point. Not only does the nfl show a guy being worked on on the field a long time but they show the replay of the injury about 50 times from 10 different angles and in super slow motion. Another problem i had with your rightup was that the ufc production is better because the promos and trailers it shows. That to me is the worst part of any ufc show. They repeat the same thing over and over again (i.e. If have to see a promo for a a Randy Coture fight again and listen to Rogan say that guy is my hero again 30 time on a telecast i may just throw my tv out the window.) these take forever and its nearly 20 minutes between fights. But ya thats all i got on this one. Good article i agree with most of it but zito and farrell sucked real bad. and the part about showing a bad injury you where so wrong on that point. Not only does the nfl show a guy being worked on on the field a long time but they show the replay of the injury about 50 times from 10 different angles and in super slow motion. Another problem i had with your rightup was that the ufc production is better because the promos and trailers it shows. That to me is the worst part of any ufc show. They repeat the same thing over and over again (i.e. If have to see a promo for a a Randy Coture fight again and listen to Rogan say that guy is my hero again 30 time on a telecast i may just throw my tv out the window.) these take forever and its nearly 20 minutes between fights. But ya thats all i got on this one.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66598 mu_shin Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:44:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66598 Didn't get to see the whole event, as I was watching on an internet live stream that took me an hour and a half to connect and stay connected. This after seeking to purchase the event, not available on my cable system, seeking a public venue to view it, closest to my house was seventy miles away. Caught Barnett/Yvel and the main event. I grew up with a father who worked in radio, print and television advertising, and who associated with a lot of on air talent. Broadcasters don't get enough recognition for what a skill it is to speak smoothly and concisely under pressure at a live event. I agree with the comments about Tito's Ortiz' potential as a ringside analyst. Who better to give insight into this young sport than a former champion who has watched MMA grow for the past ten plus years? Becoming a professional announcer does not happen overnight, and with more experience and exposure, and perhaps even some coaching and preparation, I think Tito could become a good addition to an MMA broadcasting team. Just a passing thought to close: if Affliction sold 120,000 PPV's, that's $4.8 million dollars. If I recall correctly, they said their live gate was $1.5 million. That's 6.3 million, with a payroll somewhere around $3 million. Very tight profit margin for a promotion struggling against a successful giant in the UFC. Investment in production values would go a long way toward helping Affliction gain a foothold in the MMA market, and attempt to produce further events. Didn’t get to see the whole event, as I was watching on an internet live stream that took me an hour and a half to connect and stay connected. This after seeking to purchase the event, not available on my cable system, seeking a public venue to view it, closest to my house was seventy miles away. Caught Barnett/Yvel and the main event.

I grew up with a father who worked in radio, print and television advertising, and who associated with a lot of on air talent. Broadcasters don’t get enough recognition for what a skill it is to speak smoothly and concisely under pressure at a live event. I agree with the comments about Tito’s Ortiz’ potential as a ringside analyst. Who better to give insight into this young sport than a former champion who has watched MMA grow for the past ten plus years? Becoming a professional announcer does not happen overnight, and with more experience and exposure, and perhaps even some coaching and preparation, I think Tito could become a good addition to an MMA broadcasting team.

Just a passing thought to close: if Affliction sold 120,000 PPV’s, that’s $4.8 million dollars. If I recall correctly, they said their live gate was $1.5 million. That’s 6.3 million, with a payroll somewhere around $3 million. Very tight profit margin for a promotion struggling against a successful giant in the UFC. Investment in production values would go a long way toward helping Affliction gain a foothold in the MMA market, and attempt to produce further events.

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]]> By: mindone http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66596 mindone Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:02:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66596 I thought it was ok.. especially for the second show. I find mike goldberg incredibly annoying .. any mma broadcast with quality fights and with out goldberg announcing is a plus in my experience I thought it was ok..

especially for the second show.

I find mike goldberg incredibly annoying .. any mma broadcast with quality fights and with out goldberg announcing is a plus in my experience

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]]> By: roshambo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66595 roshambo Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:32:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66595 Personally, I am a fan of MMA. My preference is to UFC as they put on the biggest fights and have the deepest roster but I enjoy WEC, Strikeforce, Affliction or who ever else is showing it for that matter. Although I don't think Affliction is great, I do hope they can get things going more so than they are now and survive their start-up period. I think the more organizations that are successful, the better it is for MMA fans. Without competition, you wouldn't have the UFC playing against Affliction and puting on the huge cards they are right now. Sadly I think that if Affliction continues with their current game plan, they will go under before the year is out. They have the same guys fighting each time, they are over paying a bunch of UFC rejects that while some are decent fighters, I feel that the money would be much better spend trying to lure away top UFC guys that are approaching the end of their fight contracts. The fact that Arlovski got 1.5 million is insane to me. You could have payed him in the 250,000 to 500,000 range and that would still probably been more than he would have been getting at UFC. You would then have 1 million plus to go after other top notch fighers. If they can't improve their roster, no one in the long run is going to look at them as a serious competitor. What if Fedor gets injured in a fight or training and can't go for 6 months to a year? They have nothing to draw fans in. Elite XC had the 1 trick pony and it came crashing down as everyone knew it would. Affliction is setting themself up for the same demise. I also think that in this stage of their promotion, they need to grow their fan base. This is going to be hard to do when you charge $45 dollars for your pay per views that aren't as strong or desireable as some of the UFC pay per views. If I have $45 to spend and I have to chose between Fedor vs Arlovski or BJ vs GSP, I'll go with the UFC fight each time. If instead they charged $20 dollars, they would probably get twice as many buys and still make the same profit yet they would be able to increase their fan base as people would see it as a cheaper more affordable alternative. I hope Affliction can get things going and make some better business decisions, but sadly I don't think it's going to happen. Personally, I am a fan of MMA. My preference is to UFC as they put on the biggest fights and have the deepest roster but I enjoy WEC, Strikeforce, Affliction or who ever else is showing it for that matter.

Although I don’t think Affliction is great, I do hope they can get things going more so than they are now and survive their start-up period. I think the more organizations that are successful, the better it is for MMA fans. Without competition, you wouldn’t have the UFC playing against Affliction and puting on the huge cards they are right now.

Sadly I think that if Affliction continues with their current game plan, they will go under before the year is out. They have the same guys fighting each time, they are over paying a bunch of UFC rejects that while some are decent fighters, I feel that the money would be much better spend trying to lure away top UFC guys that are approaching the end of their fight contracts. The fact that Arlovski got 1.5 million is insane to me. You could have payed him in the 250,000 to 500,000 range and that would still probably been more than he would have been getting at UFC. You would then have 1 million plus to go after other top notch fighers. If they can’t improve their roster, no one in the long run is going to look at them as a serious competitor. What if Fedor gets injured in a fight or training and can’t go for 6 months to a year? They have nothing to draw fans in. Elite XC had the 1 trick pony and it came crashing down as everyone knew it would. Affliction is setting themself up for the same demise. I also think that in this stage of their promotion, they need to grow their fan base. This is going to be hard to do when you charge $45 dollars for your pay per views that aren’t as strong or desireable as some of the UFC pay per views. If I have $45 to spend and I have to chose between Fedor vs Arlovski or BJ vs GSP, I’ll go with the UFC fight each time. If instead they charged $20 dollars, they would probably get twice as many buys and still make the same profit yet they would be able to increase their fan base as people would see it as a cheaper more affordable alternative. I hope Affliction can get things going and make some better business decisions, but sadly I don’t think it’s going to happen.

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]]> By: Handover Fist http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66593 Handover Fist Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:46:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66593 Caught the last Affliction event at a local sports bar that usually has 200+ people in it for UFC events. The owner said Affliction charges almost as much as the UFC ($1,500) to carry the PPV. There where about 15 people there. The owner was going to take a bath and said it was going to be the last one he carried. Caught the last Affliction event at a local sports bar that usually has 200+ people in it for UFC events. The owner said Affliction charges almost as much as the UFC ($1,500) to carry the PPV.

There where about 15 people there.

The owner was going to take a bath and said it was going to be the last one he carried.

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]]> By: Lee Gerowitz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66592 Lee Gerowitz Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:20:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66592 Madmax....you're referring to Zito and Ferrall. Madmax….you’re referring to Zito and Ferrall.

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]]> By: Dr. Sardonicus http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/02/08/putting-the-%e2%80%9cfix%e2%80%9d-in-affliction/comment-page-1/#comment-66591 Dr. Sardonicus Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:15:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=11864#comment-66591 I found most of the article on target. But I liked the recap of all the night's fights at the very end of the show. I found most of the article on target. But I liked the recap of all the night’s fights at the very end of the show.

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