Comments on: Snowden’s Five Things: A Faux Fight of the Year and the End of the Shamrock Myth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Bullylover http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69446 Bullylover Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:54:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69446 Well one of the tightest thing's about this outing was the return of Big John. By the way ZP580 @#$% U . You ain't nothing but a hater. get a damn life. By the way not every Ufc card is dynamite. Get off their dicks. Reall hard core fans look forward to all MMA fights and promotions instead of trying to down them. Well one of the tightest thing’s about this outing was the return of Big John. By the way ZP580 @#$% U . You ain’t nothing but a hater. get a damn life. By the way not every Ufc card is dynamite. Get off their dicks. Reall hard core fans look forward to all MMA fights and promotions instead of trying to down them.

]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69398 MMA-LOGIC Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:41:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69398 Don't you people get sick of tying to say that the UFC is the bestest most awsomest MMA org ever invented. Cuz a lot of things about the UFC suck too. Like Leben vs Bisping and cards fillied to the brim with reality TV stars. Take a look at the card for UFC 33 and then look at the card for most of todays UFC events. UFC 100 is the only exception to the rule. It is getting more and more watered down. So people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...something like that. Don’t you people get sick of tying to say that the UFC is the bestest most awsomest MMA org ever invented. Cuz a lot of things about the UFC suck too. Like Leben vs Bisping and cards fillied to the brim with reality TV stars. Take a look at the card for UFC 33 and then look at the card for most of todays UFC events. UFC 100 is the only exception to the rule. It is getting more and more watered down. So people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones…something like that.

]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69374 Cathedron Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:04:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69374 "The biggest problem I have is that UFC Midcard fighters (Radach & Smith) go outside of the UFC, get a prime TV spot, and people all of a sudden speak of them in the same breath as Anderson Silva, Nathan Marquardt, Dan Henderson, and Yushin Okami." I totally agree with that. What often makes them look so good is that they are fighting opponents who they are now equal with. It makes for good (or at least entertaining) fights, though. I didn't think this was the best event, but it was good. I'll take all the MMA I can get. I really have no interest in seeing Jenna's Babydaddy fight again, but Strikeforce does need a few marketable names if only to make the good fighters look better by beating a recognized name. “The biggest problem I have is that UFC Midcard fighters (Radach & Smith) go outside of the UFC, get a prime TV spot, and people all of a sudden speak of them in the same breath as Anderson Silva, Nathan Marquardt, Dan Henderson, and Yushin Okami.”

I totally agree with that. What often makes them look so good is that they are fighting opponents who they are now equal with. It makes for good (or at least entertaining) fights, though.

I didn’t think this was the best event, but it was good. I’ll take all the MMA I can get. I really have no interest in seeing Jenna’s Babydaddy fight again, but Strikeforce does need a few marketable names if only to make the good fighters look better by beating a recognized name.

]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69373 Angry Mike Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:57:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69373 It wasn't UFC, but I don't think Strikeforce is trying to compete with UFC. The fights were entertaining regardless of whether individual fighters could compete in UFC. Ranallo was more subdued than usual, and that was a plus. Miletich was a welcome addition, too. Hopefully he'll be back. It wasn’t UFC, but I don’t think Strikeforce is trying to compete with UFC. The fights were entertaining regardless of whether individual fighters could compete in UFC. Ranallo was more subdued than usual, and that was a plus. Miletich was a welcome addition, too. Hopefully he’ll be back.

]]> By: brokentoe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69367 brokentoe Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:50:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69367 Boy, there are some really picky people out there. I watch all the MMA I can get. I get HDNet and Showtime as part of my cable tv package, and I love it. I can't afford to get all the UFCs anymore, because they put on so many, so when I see "free" (I dont have to pay any extra) shows like Strikeforce, it's great. I see a lot of people saying this show wasn't as good as a UFC. OK, so what? The huge upside here is that it was WAY better than anything EliteXC ever did! I liked what I saw on showtime, and I thought the little computer animated muscle-and-bone guys were sorta cool with Pat narrating the technique. I also like that it looked like a PPV (no commercials like a Spike show or WEC). I think the positives by far outweighed any negatives. ---I did think the Cyborg fight was criminal. Cyborg should have been ashamed of herself, beating up on a little kid like that. Female MMA will never be taken seriously if the biggest names keep having trouble making weight. Strikeforce always has catch-weight fights. The Carano-Cyborg fight should just be at 155 or 160 so it isn't an issue... Boy, there are some really picky people out there. I watch all the MMA I can get. I get HDNet and Showtime as part of my cable tv package, and I love it. I can’t afford to get all the UFCs anymore, because they put on so many, so when I see “free” (I dont have to pay any extra) shows like Strikeforce, it’s great. I see a lot of people saying this show wasn’t as good as a UFC. OK, so what? The huge upside here is that it was WAY better than anything EliteXC ever did! I liked what I saw on showtime, and I thought the little computer animated muscle-and-bone guys were sorta cool with Pat narrating the technique. I also like that it looked like a PPV (no commercials like a Spike show or WEC). I think the positives by far outweighed any negatives. —I did think the Cyborg fight was criminal. Cyborg should have been ashamed of herself, beating up on a little kid like that. Female MMA will never be taken seriously if the biggest names keep having trouble making weight. Strikeforce always has catch-weight fights. The Carano-Cyborg fight should just be at 155 or 160 so it isn’t an issue…

]]> By: cocoonofhorror http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69360 cocoonofhorror Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:31:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69360 Strikeforce is not trying to compete head to head with UFC, n00b. Melendez knocked Damm out on the ground, huh? any more genius observations? Strikeforce is not trying to compete head to head with UFC, n00b. Melendez knocked Damm out on the ground, huh? any more genius observations?

]]> By: AlwaysRelaxing24 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69357 AlwaysRelaxing24 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:17:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69357 I thought this was a very good article. Radach/Smith wasn't even the best fight of the month, forget about the year. If that fight happened in the UFC, it would be getting bashed right now. Personally, I enjoyed the fight for what it was. The biggest problem I have is that UFC Midcard fighters (Radach & Smith) go outside of the UFC, get a prime TV spot, and people all of a sudden speak of them in the same breath as Anderson Silva, Nathan Marquardt, Dan Henderson, and Yushin Okami. I firmly believe that if Chris Leben vs. Michael Bisping happened outside of the UFC, it would have gotten a lot more praise. And Alan Belcher would likely beat up both Smith and Radach. Do we all forget that Smith was 1-3 in the UFC, and Radach lost to Sean Sherk, who was half his size? ONe thing the article didn't mention.... And really hasn't been getting enough press.... Is how horrible the Strikeforce undercard was. There was absolutely no talent in that undercard. Top to bottom, their card was the weakest of any major organization in MMA... Compared to the UFC, WEC, Sengoku, DREAM, Affliction, and so on. That better not be a trend. I thought this was a very good article.

Radach/Smith wasn’t even the best fight of the month, forget about the year. If that fight happened in the UFC, it would be getting bashed right now. Personally, I enjoyed the fight for what it was.

The biggest problem I have is that UFC Midcard fighters (Radach & Smith) go outside of the UFC, get a prime TV spot, and people all of a sudden speak of them in the same breath as Anderson Silva, Nathan Marquardt, Dan Henderson, and Yushin Okami.

I firmly believe that if Chris Leben vs. Michael Bisping happened outside of the UFC, it would have gotten a lot more praise. And Alan Belcher would likely beat up both Smith and Radach. Do we all forget that Smith was 1-3 in the UFC, and Radach lost to Sean Sherk, who was half his size?

ONe thing the article didn’t mention…. And really hasn’t been getting enough press…. Is how horrible the Strikeforce undercard was. There was absolutely no talent in that undercard. Top to bottom, their card was the weakest of any major organization in MMA… Compared to the UFC, WEC, Sengoku, DREAM, Affliction, and so on. That better not be a trend.

]]> By: allelbows http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69355 allelbows Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:37:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69355 what are you talking about Diaz not doing interviews?? where did you get this from?? what are you talking about Diaz not doing interviews?? where did you get this from??

]]> By: ZP580 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69350 ZP580 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:44:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69350 Strikeforce was weak. The UFC pays fighters just fine. Other promotions have to pay ridiculous amounts just so they can get some descent fighters. All fighters know that the UFC is the biggest promotion and the best way to get their name out there. If Strikeforce ever wants to compete, they better get a better main event than Diaz v old Shamrock. And Ortiz v anyone isnt the answer. Due Cung Le a favor and release him so he can get a crack at the likes of Franklin, Hendo and Silva. Be real, if UFC 94 wasnt a replay and it was live last night. Strikeforce wouldnt stand achance against any live UFC event. Diaz sux, whens he gonna fight someone worth mentioning, oh wait he did, KJ Noons and he lost. Give him a Kos or a Fitch then I'll be interested. Strikeforce was weak. The UFC pays fighters just fine. Other promotions have to pay ridiculous amounts just so they can get some descent fighters. All fighters know that the UFC is the biggest promotion and the best way to get their name out there. If Strikeforce ever wants to compete, they better get a better main event than Diaz v old Shamrock. And Ortiz v anyone isnt the answer. Due Cung Le a favor and release him so he can get a crack at the likes of Franklin, Hendo and Silva. Be real, if UFC 94 wasnt a replay and it was live last night. Strikeforce wouldnt stand achance against any live UFC event. Diaz sux, whens he gonna fight someone worth mentioning, oh wait he did, KJ Noons and he lost. Give him a Kos or a Fitch then I’ll be interested.

]]> By: Harpo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69349 Harpo Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:21:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69349 I had the benefit of watching this live without having to listen to what apparently was terrible commentary. I will say that the crowd there was electric, the only real stinker was the Zack Bucia/ James Terry debacle which didn't make it to air (THANK GOD) and the fighters put on a great show despite the whole "Cyborg not making weight and then murdering a smaller opponent" controversy and Melendez having to face a replacement for a meaningless interim title. Smith/Radach was brutal and intense and while it may not have been a great bout in terms of fundamentals it was your basic Scott Smith comeback home run haymaker bout. Nothin' wrong with that. I had the benefit of watching this live without having to listen to what apparently was terrible commentary. I will say that the crowd there was electric, the only real stinker was the Zack Bucia/ James Terry debacle which didn’t make it to air (THANK GOD) and the fighters put on a great show despite the whole “Cyborg not making weight and then murdering a smaller opponent” controversy and Melendez having to face a replacement for a meaningless interim title. Smith/Radach was brutal and intense and while it may not have been a great bout in terms of fundamentals it was your basic Scott Smith comeback home run haymaker bout. Nothin’ wrong with that.

]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69348 hindsightufuk Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:24:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69348 just to anounciate the point made above by tyler, i actually found the strikeforce event more satisfying and enjoyable than most recent UFC events. maybe because i dont have to watch an event claiming to be the best in the world, the superbowl of MMA, and come away feeling somewhat non plussed & unsatisfied, wondering why half the fighters are even on the card in the first place. just to anounciate the point made above by tyler, i actually found the strikeforce event more satisfying and enjoyable than most recent UFC events.
maybe because i dont have to watch an event claiming to be the best in the world, the superbowl of MMA, and come away feeling somewhat non plussed & unsatisfied, wondering why half the fighters are even on the card in the first place.

]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69347 screwface Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:17:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69347 wish i could edit, sorry i messed this up, meant to say i think diaz CAN stand to move up a weight class after seeing that. wish i could edit, sorry i messed this up, meant to say
i think diaz CAN stand to move up a weight class after seeing that.

]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69346 screwface Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:16:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69346 Diaz, I was rooting for you, but im so sorry i ever doubted your ability to make it look as easy as you did. made shamrock look over the hill. i think diaz cant stand to move up a weight class after seeing that. and i kinda agree with tyler. i was very entertained by every fight on this card and i think it was a win. nice to see strikeforce back in the game officially. i may have enjoyed this event more then some recent ufcs. and i didnt find the commentating that bad. better then wec imo. mir annoys me with his 1 sided fight analysis. but great show, great night of fights, and congrats to diaz. that victory musta been sweet on so many levels. Diaz, I was rooting for you, but im so sorry i ever doubted your ability to make it look as easy as you did. made shamrock look over the hill. i think diaz cant stand to move up a weight class after seeing that. and i kinda agree with tyler. i was very entertained by every fight on this card and i think it was a win. nice to see strikeforce back in the game officially. i may have enjoyed this event more then some recent ufcs. and i didnt find the commentating that bad. better then wec imo. mir annoys me with his 1 sided fight analysis. but great show, great night of fights, and congrats to diaz. that victory musta been sweet on so many levels.

]]> By: tyler http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69345 tyler Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:52:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69345 I really don't know where to begin by saying how much I didn't like this article but I'll start with saying why can't you comment about Strikeforce's first event on Showtime and how the first show was overall without saying it has to be better for it to be competition for the UFC? It was their first event on Showtime. You don't think they're going to get a deeper roster of fighters and work out the broadcast team and production. Whether you liked the first event or not it is competition because the UFC is never going to be willing to pay all the top fighters around what they want so they'll be fighting in other promotions and then the UFC will sign a bunch of mid level guys like Mustapha Al Turk, Neil Grove, Razak Al hussan, and the countless other B and C level fighters who get on TUF and then score some fights in the UFC afterward so they can fill out cards with guys who are for the most part just average to mid level fighters at best who are thought more highly of just because they're in the UFC. Perfect example being your stating does anyone think either Scott Smith or Benji Radach would be a favorite against Alan Belcher. What? Are you kidding me? I would make both guys a favorite against Belcher. Why wouldn't anyone, just because Belcher is fighting in the UFC doesn't make him a better fighter than Smith or Radach. This is the same guy who was getting his ass handed to him by Denis Kang and then got lucky when Kang gassed and fell right into his guillotine choke. Also the same guy who was given a gift decision against Ed Herman. People need to open their eyes and appreciate good fighters and fights regardless of promotion. I really don’t know where to begin by saying how much I didn’t like this article but I’ll start with saying why can’t you comment about Strikeforce’s first event on Showtime and how the first show was overall without saying it has to be better for it to be competition for the UFC?
It was their first event on Showtime. You don’t think they’re going to get a deeper roster of fighters and work out the broadcast team and production.
Whether you liked the first event or not it is competition because the UFC is never going to be willing to pay all the top fighters around what they want so they’ll be fighting in other promotions and then the UFC will sign a bunch of mid level guys like Mustapha Al Turk, Neil Grove, Razak Al hussan, and the countless other B and C level fighters who get on TUF and then score some fights in the UFC afterward so they can fill out cards with guys who are for the most part just average to mid level fighters at best who are thought more highly of just because they’re in the UFC.
Perfect example being your stating does anyone think either Scott Smith or Benji Radach would be a favorite against Alan Belcher.
What? Are you kidding me? I would make both guys a favorite against Belcher. Why wouldn’t anyone, just because Belcher is fighting in the UFC doesn’t make him a better fighter than Smith or Radach.
This is the same guy who was getting his ass handed to him by Denis Kang and then got lucky when Kang gassed and fell right into his guillotine choke. Also the same guy who was given a gift decision against Ed Herman.
People need to open their eyes and appreciate good fighters and fights regardless of promotion.

]]> By: the king of all judo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69342 the king of all judo Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:44:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69342 frank should fight mrs. cyborg frank should fight mrs. cyborg

]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69341 hindsightufuk Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:35:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69341 agree with the radich smith statement, already getting sick of people saying that was a fight of the year contender. it wasnt. it was an entertaining slugfest with a cool ending. it was a boxing match, in a cage. slightly disappointed Nick Diaz didnt go for an armbar in the first round when he had Shamrock mounted, we all know he could do it and that his bjj is awesome, so can he please fucking remind us some day soon and submit someone? Great performance by Diaz tho, love the guy agree with the radich smith statement, already getting sick of people saying that was a fight of the year contender. it wasnt. it was an entertaining slugfest with a cool ending. it was a boxing match, in a cage.
slightly disappointed Nick Diaz didnt go for an armbar in the first round when he had Shamrock mounted, we all know he could do it and that his bjj is awesome, so can he please fucking remind us some day soon and submit someone?
Great performance by Diaz tho, love the guy

]]> By: Bad Monkey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/04/12/5-things-a-faux-fight-of-the-year-and-the-end-of-the-shamrock-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-69340 Bad Monkey Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:32:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=13684#comment-69340 On a related note, despite Gus Johnson and Ranallo's lame commentary I thought Pat Miletich was very good. I had not watched a fight with him commentating before and I enjoyed his insight into the fights. Strikeforce should definitely consider bringing him back for another event. On a related note, despite Gus Johnson and Ranallo’s lame commentary I thought Pat Miletich was very good. I had not watched a fight with him commentating before and I enjoyed his insight into the fights. Strikeforce should definitely consider bringing him back for another event.

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