Comments on: Chuck Liddell: To retire, or not to retire, that is the question http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: thehullbull http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70388 thehullbull Mon, 18 May 2009 11:10:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70388 Chuck Liddell is the ufc He and just He , not the ferretas or Dana White made the ufc wat it now is today. Yeah they had the money and hindsight to put it on but cometh the man cometh the ice age.They still needed a how do you say ??? an attraction??? No an Ambassador to be???Me being from the uk were the sport has now taken off and is watched by thousands of sell out crowds. Such as ufc 80 rapid fire Penn v's Stevenson Newcastle, ufc 85 02 areana London were i met Chuck, and ufc 89 Birmingham Bispin v's Leben. Is in many peoples eyes around the world, down to the man. The man that when seen this monster with a mohawk knocking people out and down with a over hand right, any fighter in the right stable mind would want in ther arsenal. What im ranting about is yea im a Chuck fan,but guys why write off this man ,this legend, thishero to some. Idol to others when hes done so much for the sport. Chuck is a Fighter end of. If Chuck , and only Chuck decides enough is enough, then i say this to Chuck. "On behalf of all the millions of people throughout the world" "Chuck thank you very much from the bottom of our hearts" and also Chuck, "Thanks for the memories big man". You truely are the ufc legend of legends!!!! Nick "The Hull Bull" Foster, Hull England Chuck Liddell is the ufc He and just He , not the ferretas or Dana White made the ufc wat it now is today. Yeah they had the money and hindsight to put it on but cometh the man cometh the ice age.They still needed a how do you say ??? an attraction??? No an Ambassador to be???Me being from the uk were the sport has now taken off and is watched by thousands of sell out crowds. Such as ufc 80 rapid fire Penn v’s Stevenson Newcastle, ufc 85 02 areana London were i met Chuck, and ufc 89 Birmingham Bispin v’s Leben. Is in many peoples eyes around the world, down to the man. The man that when seen this monster with a mohawk knocking people out and down with a over hand right, any fighter in the right stable mind would want in ther arsenal. What im ranting about is yea im a Chuck fan,but guys why write off this man ,this legend, thishero to some. Idol to others when hes done so much for the sport. Chuck is a Fighter end of. If Chuck , and only Chuck decides enough is enough, then i say this to Chuck. “On behalf of all the millions of people throughout the world” “Chuck thank you very much from the bottom of our hearts” and also Chuck, “Thanks for the memories big man”. You truely are the ufc legend of legends!!!! Nick “The Hull Bull” Foster, Hull England

]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70236 MMA-LOGIC Tue, 12 May 2009 03:06:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70236 Dana said he wants Chuck to retire because he can't compete with the young guys. Randy = 46 years old 6 wins 6 losses over the last 8 years! Chuck =40 years old and about 13 wins 6 losses over the last 8 years. Leave it up to Chuck please. Dana said he wants Chuck to retire because he can’t compete with the young guys. Randy = 46 years old 6 wins 6 losses over the last 8 years! Chuck =40 years old and about 13 wins 6 losses over the last 8 years. Leave it up to Chuck please.

]]> By: wardog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70212 wardog Sun, 10 May 2009 15:17:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70212 Chuck will retire when he wants to. I mean the guy can go to a number of promotions and make $ and compete. I say give him some time. Personally, I would like to see him take a year off train and relax, then decide. Call it a hiatus or sabatical. Let him promote, put him on TUF as a coach, and spend some time with his family. And then if he wants to come back he will do it with a clear head. But Dana should not push him out. Chuck will retire when he wants to. I mean the guy can go to a number of promotions and make $ and compete. I say give him some time. Personally, I would like to see him take a year off train and relax, then decide. Call it a hiatus or sabatical. Let him promote, put him on TUF as a coach, and spend some time with his family. And then if he wants to come back he will do it with a clear head. But Dana should not push him out.

]]> By: BillyWarhol http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70209 BillyWarhol Sun, 10 May 2009 05:56:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70209 I think it's prolly just a Big Buildup to a Tito Ortiz vs Chuck Lidell Matchup in StrikeForce then they can do it again in the UFC!! ;)) I think it’s prolly just a Big Buildup to a Tito Ortiz vs Chuck Lidell Matchup in StrikeForce then they can do it again in the UFC!! ;) )

]]> By: GetItOn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70206 GetItOn Sat, 09 May 2009 21:31:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70206 I have already said this a million times but Chuck will retire and come back just as Couture did. The element of surprise sells PPV's. I have already said this a million times but Chuck will retire and come back just as Couture did. The element of surprise sells PPV’s.

]]> By: Stan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70204 Stan Sat, 09 May 2009 20:09:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70204 The thing that makes me agree with Dana White on this one is that Chuck's style is simply not amenable to slowed reflexes and weakening chin age has brought on him. If he were a top level wrestler he could manage to remain competitive for a while longer. Really, his reputation was built on quick, strong hands and a solid chin. He had great takedown defense to keep fights standing, but his style was always to absorb punishment long enough to land one of his looping haymakers. If you look at the Evans-Liddell fight, or for a more drawn out example Bisping-Leben, you see an orthodox striker being able to consistently beat out haymakers with straight punches. The difference between Liddell now and Liddell 5 years ago is that those straight punches will knock him unconscious before his haymakers land... even from a mid-level striker like Evans or what really didn't look like a KO-caliber punch from Rua. But if the guy can make money fighting, he should have the right to do it while that window is closing. Clearly there are a lot of fighters at 205 he would be able to beat. But then, the UFC doesn't need to pay someone what Chuck makes to fight down on the 3rd or 4th fight on the card... And they don't want to see Chuck on Strikeforce fighting Sobral or Ortiz again in old timers matches. If Chuck doesn't retire, the UFC is in a lose-lose situation. The thing that makes me agree with Dana White on this one is that Chuck’s style is simply not amenable to slowed reflexes and weakening chin age has brought on him. If he were a top level wrestler he could manage to remain competitive for a while longer. Really, his reputation was built on quick, strong hands and a solid chin. He had great takedown defense to keep fights standing, but his style was always to absorb punishment long enough to land one of his looping haymakers.

If you look at the Evans-Liddell fight, or for a more drawn out example Bisping-Leben, you see an orthodox striker being able to consistently beat out haymakers with straight punches. The difference between Liddell now and Liddell 5 years ago is that those straight punches will knock him unconscious before his haymakers land… even from a mid-level striker like Evans or what really didn’t look like a KO-caliber punch from Rua.

But if the guy can make money fighting, he should have the right to do it while that window is closing. Clearly there are a lot of fighters at 205 he would be able to beat. But then, the UFC doesn’t need to pay someone what Chuck makes to fight down on the 3rd or 4th fight on the card… And they don’t want to see Chuck on Strikeforce fighting Sobral or Ortiz again in old timers matches. If Chuck doesn’t retire, the UFC is in a lose-lose situation.

]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70202 Jstew3785 Sat, 09 May 2009 16:53:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70202 I don't know if he should reitre, but I don't agree with moving up to heavyweight. If he is getting knocked out by the 205er's, why would he get in there with people up to 60lbs heavier? I mean, look at someone like Shane Carwin. He knocked out Gonzaga with basically a jab. He cuts weight to make the 265lb limit. I'm sure he hits a hell of a lot harder than Shogun. I don’t know if he should reitre, but I don’t agree with moving up to heavyweight. If he is getting knocked out by the 205er’s, why would he get in there with people up to 60lbs heavier? I mean, look at someone like Shane Carwin. He knocked out Gonzaga with basically a jab. He cuts weight to make the 265lb limit. I’m sure he hits a hell of a lot harder than Shogun.

]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/09/chuck-liddell-to-retire-or-not-to-retire-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-70199 Davey D Sat, 09 May 2009 14:54:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14218#comment-70199 While I do not think Chuck Liddell should retire, I do believe his days as a top 5 LHW are over. I've said it before and I'll say it again...Chuck should move on to the HW divison. There are plenty of fight's waiting for him there and three dominant victories could put him in Title contention. On the other hand, Chuck is nearing 40 so becoming a HW Champion might be a stretch but Randy did it so WHO says Chuck can't. Either way, I think there are plenty of fight's above 205 lbs that will keep Chuck busy for another 3 year's or so. Heck, maybe he doesn't even want to chase the HW title and just wants to compete? He is a Fighter and that is what he does best. Mr. White...please let Chuck decide when his time is up and encourage him to pursue the heavier weight bout's. Trust me, it will work. Just not against the (top) 205er's. Those days are sadly over. Cheers!!! While I do not think Chuck Liddell should retire, I do believe his days as a top 5 LHW are over. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…Chuck should move on to the HW divison. There are plenty of fight’s waiting for him there and three dominant victories could put him in Title contention.

On the other hand, Chuck is nearing 40 so becoming a HW Champion might be a stretch but Randy did it so WHO says Chuck can’t. Either way, I think there are plenty of fight’s above 205 lbs that will keep Chuck busy for another 3 year’s or so. Heck, maybe he doesn’t even want to chase the HW title and just wants to compete? He is a Fighter and that is what he does best.

Mr. White…please let Chuck decide when his time is up and encourage him to pursue the heavier weight bout’s. Trust me, it will work. Just not against the (top) 205er’s. Those days are sadly over.

Cheers!!!

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