Comments on: The Dragon and the Underdog Champion http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:45:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70561 neijia Sat, 23 May 2009 21:26:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70561 I agree Evans could win because even Machida could get caught by a strike or a submission (Tito almost caught him after all). What would Machida do if frustrated? Same thing as usual. He shows a lot of patience and picks his spots with precision. I think Evans could get lucky but he isn't going to be able to pick Machida apart in a technical fight. The more Evans tries to just "go for it", though, the more that favors Machida. So edge is to Machida either way. If they both start watching for one small mistake, Evans could do it, but that defensive style would still favor Machida. I think the odds of -200 Machida are about right. Jon Jones is really gonna mop up 205, yeah. There is a good reason he was signed as the youngest recruit ever. Dana and co did a great job scouting. Those high amp throws on Bonnar were awesome, though a little tiring looking. A little more experience and he'll also be dominating. No doubt he's a future 205 champ. I admire Machida the most, Jon next, but Rampage is still my favorite. Dude is just so funny. I agree Evans could win because even Machida could get caught by a strike or a submission (Tito almost caught him after all). What would Machida do if frustrated? Same thing as usual. He shows a lot of patience and picks his spots with precision. I think Evans could get lucky but he isn’t going to be able to pick Machida apart in a technical fight. The more Evans tries to just “go for it”, though, the more that favors Machida. So edge is to Machida either way. If they both start watching for one small mistake, Evans could do it, but that defensive style would still favor Machida. I think the odds of -200 Machida are about right.

Jon Jones is really gonna mop up 205, yeah. There is a good reason he was signed as the youngest recruit ever. Dana and co did a great job scouting. Those high amp throws on Bonnar were awesome, though a little tiring looking. A little more experience and he’ll also be dominating. No doubt he’s a future 205 champ.

I admire Machida the most, Jon next, but Rampage is still my favorite. Dude is just so funny.

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]]> By: JJ Docker http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70549 JJ Docker Sat, 23 May 2009 12:38:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70549 I'm not sure about the others but I'm pretty sure Sam has relinquished a considerable amount of his journalistic input into the site to focus on his WAMMA thing. Which sucks, because the site isn't the same without him. In fact it's now pretty shitty and, to be frank, I think I could write a better article than some of the contributors to this site - I'm thinking about going back over to Elbow. I’m not sure about the others but I’m pretty sure Sam has relinquished a considerable amount of his journalistic input into the site to focus on his WAMMA thing. Which sucks, because the site isn’t the same without him. In fact it’s now pretty shitty and, to be frank, I think I could write a better article than some of the contributors to this site – I’m thinking about going back over to Elbow.

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]]> By: JollyDV http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70546 JollyDV Sat, 23 May 2009 07:31:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70546 Hex Rex, while be joining me in the chat room for the fight tomorrow night? This card has me very excited. Hope you stop by,,,,please stop by, and bring your wife. :) Also, do you know what is going on in this site? Sam hasn't written anything in a while. and there are multiple new bloggers here. Also, wonder where Adam Morgan, and Matt Cava have gone to? Maybe it was just me noticing this, but give me all your inside info, so I know what's going on. Hex Rex, while be joining me in the chat room for the fight tomorrow night? This card has me very excited. Hope you stop by,,,,please stop by, and bring your wife. :)

Also, do you know what is going on in this site? Sam hasn’t written anything in a while. and there are multiple new bloggers here. Also, wonder where Adam Morgan, and Matt Cava have gone to? Maybe it was just me noticing this, but give me all your inside info, so I know what’s going on.

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]]> By: Orwell http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70545 Orwell Sat, 23 May 2009 06:45:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70545 Whoever wins is going to have a hell of a time defending it. 205 is crazy for the UFC. I like Machida but the prospect of Rampage vs Rashad for the belt is a great follow up. Its tough to tip and there's always going to be great match-ups anyways. So my pick is for Jon Jones to win the belt, mid 2010 and dominate all and sundry for a few years. Whoever wins is going to have a hell of a time defending it. 205 is crazy for the UFC. I like Machida but the prospect of Rampage vs Rashad for the belt is a great follow up. Its tough to tip and there’s always going to be great match-ups anyways.

So my pick is for Jon Jones to win the belt, mid 2010 and dominate all and sundry for a few years.

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]]> By: hexrei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70543 hexrei Sat, 23 May 2009 05:31:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70543 That's not how you spell monotonous. Nice article, but use the spellchecker next time. That’s not how you spell monotonous. Nice article, but use the spellchecker next time.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70539 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 23 May 2009 04:46:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70539 I'm still of the belief that all it takes is for a good game plan and Machida will fall the same as any fighter. Give Evans a little credit his resume is just about as good as Machida's, remember that Machida hasn't faced Liddell or Griffin or Bisping for that matter but Evans has, he also faced Ortiz and did very well and is twice the fighter he was then. I think Evans will win. I'm not sure how but he might just pull this one out. P.S. How will Machida do if HE is the frustrated one?. I’m still of the belief that all it takes is for a good game plan and Machida will fall the same as any fighter. Give Evans a little credit his resume is just about as good as Machida’s, remember that Machida hasn’t faced Liddell or Griffin or Bisping for that matter but Evans has, he also faced Ortiz and did very well and is twice the fighter he was then. I think Evans will win. I’m not sure how but he might just pull this one out.

P.S. How will Machida do if HE is the frustrated one?.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70535 neijia Sat, 23 May 2009 01:31:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70535 Have to agree with Stan. We must not have watched the same fight. I thought Griffin was winning, and let's be very clear: Griffin and Bisping (who imho lost to Hamill) and a past-his-prime Liddell are not nearly as good as Machida is right now. Given what Machida did last time and the talk from him about entertaining fans, I think this one is gonna be far from boring. Gonna be close but edge is with Lyoto. The dude has submitted Rafael Lovato, Jr. in submission grappling, has been a sumo champ, and a karate champ. Any one of those is more impressive in my book than winning a season of TUF or beating Liddell. Put them all together and you have the most complete fighter at 205. Machida is p4p in the same league as Anderson Silva, GSP, and Fedor imo. Have to agree with Stan. We must not have watched the same fight. I thought Griffin was winning, and let’s be very clear: Griffin and Bisping (who imho lost to Hamill) and a past-his-prime Liddell are not nearly as good as Machida is right now. Given what Machida did last time and the talk from him about entertaining fans, I think this one is gonna be far from boring. Gonna be close but edge is with Lyoto. The dude has submitted Rafael Lovato, Jr. in submission grappling, has been a sumo champ, and a karate champ. Any one of those is more impressive in my book than winning a season of TUF or beating Liddell. Put them all together and you have the most complete fighter at 205. Machida is p4p in the same league as Anderson Silva, GSP, and Fedor imo.

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]]> By: Stan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/05/22/the-dragon-and-the-underdog-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-70534 Stan Sat, 23 May 2009 00:22:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=14424#comment-70534 "the flailing man that was Griffin getting completely handled." Griffin got completely handled? He won the first two rounds easily and was on his way to winning the third when Evans caught the leg kick. Evans deserves credit for finding a way to pull out a fight where HE was being handled, and he finished admirably when the opportunity presented itself. But then, Machida doesn't seem like the kind of reckless striker that Liddell and Griffin were for Evans. “the flailing man that was Griffin getting completely handled.”

Griffin got completely handled? He won the first two rounds easily and was on his way to winning the third when Evans caught the leg kick. Evans deserves credit for finding a way to pull out a fight where HE was being handled, and he finished admirably when the opportunity presented itself. But then, Machida doesn’t seem like the kind of reckless striker that Liddell and Griffin were for Evans.

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