Comments on: What Goes Around Comes Around for Dana White

By: Patrickk

Patrickk — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:23:07 +0000

Yeah that’s messed up what Cro Cop did. But oh well, now he is back into the UFC. But he is also claiming that he did not do that. There are some other articles about it on the other MMA websites.

By: biggmoney21

biggmoney21 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:49:56 +0000

I may have missed this in a previous comment but does anybody know if fighters are compensated if they’re cut? And really, that’s irrelevant. If the UFC and a fighter sign a contract that gives the UFC the right to cut them, it’s the fighter’s (and their rep’s) option to sign it or negotiate it. It sounds to me like people with adjustable rate mortgages who “didn’t know their payments could increase” but went ahead and signed the contracts anyway. A signed contract means you agree to the terms of the contract…don’t cry after the fact that the contract isn’t fair.

By: edub

edub — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:57:26 +0000

Well put Sergio.

By: Sergio Hernandez

Sergio Hernandez — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:22:40 +0000

Either going back on your word/lying about your true intentions is a dick move or its not.

CroCop dicked over White/UFC/Zuffa, plain and simple. And yes, White has done his share of dicking in the past but that doesn’t factor into what CroCop has done. You’re giving him a Get Out of Jail Free card because White has acted less than scrupulous in the past.

But I’m not mad because White got screwed over. I’m mad because I got screwed over.

I was looking forward to CroCop/Nog II, CroCop/Couture, CroCop/someone halfway relevant. I also saw this one-fight deal as huge growth in regards to White/Zuffa’s contract negotiations.

CroCop burned his bridge with UFC, along with many others that we MIGHT have seen in the future.

By: Dky

Dky — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:37:24 +0000

I agree maybe the author should have gave examples of Dana screwing over fighters and other people since that was his piont. I think what he was saying is that it is funny to hear Dana White bemoaning the fact he got screwed over, when in fact if any person who has followed mma knows that Dana has done some things that have come out publicly that could easily been seen as a “Dirty” thing to do to someone, although I don’t exactly see it that way im just saying others might. Examples could be keeping Sherdog out of UFC events, acting like Ortiz was never anything when in fact he did draw alot of Pay-per-view buys and TV ratings (although not strictly be himself. Those things may not be “Dirty” but they make him look like a jerk to most of the general public. As far as him hurting the UFc long term I actually though that his actions at times could, but if you look at Vince Mcmahon he has done business basically the same way and he hasn’t gone nowhere and his product may be down at times, but it’ still going strong. I know it Pro Wrestling and it’s scripted, but Dana has stated before that he looked up to Mcmahons promotional style.

By: edub

edub — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:32:53 +0000

Dude RU- The very elite of the UFC fighters get royalties. No where near many.

By: RU486

RU486 — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:22:57 +0000

In response to stevefiji –

You are assuming that the only revenue fighters get from the UFC are the salaries per fight. Each fighter that is on a PPV also gets a significant amount of royalties from the PPV. I don’t have any figures to justify how much, and care to not research it, but UFC fighters make a ton more money off of PPV buys than their salaries. With all that in consideration, Tito probably did make $710,000 in the Rashad fight, and probably did make $5.8 million in 2006. Also factor in the large amounts of money given through sponsoships and endorsements for UFC PPVs, and I would say those numbers are right on the mark.

This has long been part of the argument in the Fedor not getting paid enough to be in the UFC bit.

Just wanted to point that out.

By: jj

jj — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:01:38 +0000

“Building yourself up from nothing” is alot more impressive when your childhood friends aren’t billionaires.

By: Angry Mike

Angry Mike — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:48:45 +0000

Regardless of the whole dispute about White’s ethics or lack of ethics, Cro Cop sure has burned his bridges with UFC. It seems unlikely that he’ll ever be welcomed back. Could be a good career move for him, though. He was well liked in Japan when he fought for Pride, so Dream may be a better org. for him, especially since he’ll retire sooner rather than later. He isn’t competitive with the top tier in UFC, and probably knows it.

By: Mbreckles49

Mbreckles49 — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:18:47 +0000

Didn’t White supposedly screw over Werdum? I remember hearing that Werdum was promised a heavyweight title shot, but then Lesnar’s emergence broke that verbal agreement.

I do agree with most of the sentiments of the comments though.

By: JJ Docker

JJ Docker — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:31:38 +0000

Well said stevefiji

By: stevefiji

stevefiji — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:49:41 +0000

Mr Casale offers no proof to his attacks on Dana White.

He writes, “How many people have you screwed over in your life to get where you are today? How many “handshake deals” have you turned your back on?…When you screw people over to get on top, you can’t cry if someone else does the exact same thing to you.”

Nasty comments, to say the least… How about some real proof here… is that too much to ask from a journalist? Meatloaf seems to feel Zuffa’s industry wide strategic maneuvers, many in response to competition or Japanese mafia or otherwise qualify for screwing people instead of shrewd business… hardly a slam dunk for his case.

Contracts are contracts…if Dana had a no cut clause then it would be a screw-job.. NFL teams cut players all the time.. are they screwing people? No, they are making competitive responses to a players performance.

Just a bunch of unsubstantiated whining from Dana haters… Good on ya, keep crying while he keeps cashing your PPV checks

Cheers mates

By: psottilare

psottilare — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:09:29 +0000

I wrote this a while back in reference to Tito and Dana’s relationship in general.
On another note the Muhamad Ali boxing reform act was passed in 2000 and i quote “prohibits a promoter from having a financial interest in the management of a boxer, and prohibits the manager from having a financial relationship with a promoter.” Tell me how does the UFC and Dana square this with both promoting fights and also managing the fighters. Tito Ortiz has long been a thorn in Dana’s side and its basically because he is the only one calling out the UFC and Dana for its subpar pay scale in relation to its reveues.

“This guy went on Howard Stern and said he was getting $200,000 a fight,” White said. “That was such a lie. Tito made $5.8 million in 2006. He only fought once in 2007. He made $710,000 for that fight (with Rashad Evans) and that was the third match from the top (on the card). He goes around saying we made $231 million last year. He’s a moron. This guy talks about what a businessman he is, and he was on ‘The Apprentice’ and he doesn’t know the difference between revenue and profit. Did Tito make 5.8 million from fighting in the UFC in 2006? I doubt it. So Dana White is trying to tell us he was paying fighters more 3 years ago then he is today? Why is 231 million in revenue such an outlandish statement? This year Dana was quoted as saying he wanted to put on 12 PPV’s for the year or 1 a month. If you low ball it and they average a palty 500,000 views per fight at 45 dollars a pop thats 6,000,000 views for the year generating 270 million in revenues plus the live gate at again low balling it 3 million a show thats another 36 million for a total of 306 million for the 2009 year. Now if you use the last fight, UFC 94, totals of just over 1 million paid to the fighters, you have 12 million paid to the fighters for 2009 and the UFC generated 306 million. Can you see why Tito gets under Dana’s skin

By: meatloaf

meatloaf — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:49:33 +0000

How about all the people who worked at Pride or the people at that Bull Shit press conference when Zuffa bought Pride who were told this is a new beginning of the organization.

The fans are going to get a super bowl of fights Pride vs. UFC. Which was a lie the whole deal was a total lie just about every thing Dana White said at that press conference was a lie (if you don’t think so go back and watch it it’s out there). Then to top it off a UFC staffers tells that last remaining workers at Pride via speakerphone that operations were shutting down.
Also apparently you think that giving fighters who are under contract their walking papers is fine. I mean so what if they sign a 4 fight contract if Dana wants to he can tell them to go away whenever he feels like it.

And I guess you think it’s OK that the UFC did everything in their power to sabotage Affliction’s 2ND show which was originally scheduled for last Oct.11Th in Las Vegas (to quote Dana “my town”) with a Fedor/Barnett main event but obviously was postponed with a different main event, but at least now we’ll get Fedor/Barnett.

Or the fact Dana dictates which members of the media are allowed to attend and ask questions at UFC events, post fight conferences, press conferences you name it.Nothing like stepping on a few toes and controlling the media. Freedom of the press doesn’t apply to Dana if you don’t write or report things the way he wants you’re out. If you don’t believe it watch the ESPN E:60 special when asked why aren’t these people allowed Dana’s response “because I don’t want them there”. If you think this is all right you are a lost cause.

I know I’m wasting my time here because you’re obviously a Dana White mark and if you follow this sport even a little know Dana White has more than a few skeletons in his closet, but to his fans they couldn’t care less because whatever he says they agree with and turn a blind eye to his non sense.

By: Angry Mike

Angry Mike — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:19:13 +0000

I’m still waiting for a single example of a specific fighter Dana cheated or a specific hand shake deal that he reneged on. The issue isn’t whether I’m a friend or relation or admirer of White. The issue is whether there’s any merit to the accusations. So far there doesn’t seem to be any.

By: meatloaf

meatloaf — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:03:36 +0000

What are you talking about?

Look how many fighters are released with fights left on their contract.
Contracts that are obviously one sided and worthless if Dana and Zuffa can just tear them up and show you the door at anytime even if you have a contract.

Now Cro Cop was signed to a one fight contract because Dana desperately wanted him for this card in Germany ( which is true whether you believe it or not he tried to line up a Tito/Cro Cop main event for this card awhile ago but that fell through) and now Cro Cop is using a little negotiating power of his own with Dream and the UFC. So what? Good for him.

It’s embarrassing the people that jump to Dana’s defense as if he’s their brother or best friend. His fans certainly take the least bit of criticism too personally.

By: Angry Mike

Angry Mike — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:23:59 +0000

ihateemo raised the obvious point. The article asked how many fighters that Dana has screwed over or the number of handshake deals that he’s reneged on. And then it doesn’t cite a single example. If you can’t cite a single example, maybe the answer is none. And maybe the piece is nothing more than an ad hominem attack.

By: edub

edub — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:49:35 +0000

Plagu Angel;Munche;

Your hate is sad. Tito is a top 4 mma lhw of all time deal with it.

Wins over Griffin, Mayushenko, Belfort, Wandy,

Gave away a win with Evans

Took Machida to a decision in a fight he took minimal damage

Guy is a hall of famer hands down

By: kenonbass

kenonbass — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:37:54 +0000

What everyone needs to realize is that Dana White is a promoter first and foremost. He’s acting like a promoter who is sc*ed over by a fighter. That is his job.

Love how my original post is taken down. Like I said before. The content has gone downhill on the website ever since Caplan left.

By: Madmax

Madmax — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:05:01 +0000

Good Riddance, Crap Cop is overrated, is a one trick pony, and don’t even tell me he didnt know he poked Al-Turk in the eye, I saw it, and wasnt watching in HD, also, when Al-Turk turned away like that, it was obvious that he’d taken a finger in the eye. Obvious to all except Cro Creep, and the idiot ref who just allowed Crip Cop to beat on a fouled opponent

Mirko just cant handle the cage, he prefers the Pu**y MMA fought in a ring.

Just like FEDOR!