Comments on: One Man’s Opinion: Who’s the true pound for pound king? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:14:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90399 metalmulisha Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:13:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90399 LOL @ Patrickk Fedor "we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop." Really? WTF are you talking about? LOL @ Patrickk
Fedor “we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop.”

Really? WTF are you talking about?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90391 Jstew3785 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:37:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90391 That's fair. I don't expect everyone to have it ranked the same as me. I just wish that the UFC would incorporate the 135 and 145 divisions so great fighters like Faber, Brown, Torres etc would get the exposure they deserve. Of course we all know about them but I bet the casual fan couldn't pick them out of a lineup That’s fair. I don’t expect everyone to have it ranked the same as me. I just wish that the UFC would incorporate the 135 and 145 divisions so great fighters like Faber, Brown, Torres etc would get the exposure they deserve. Of course we all know about them but I bet the casual fan couldn’t pick them out of a lineup

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90390 edub Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:18:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90390 Jstew: He'll move up(on my list) after he gets this next win on his resume IMO. There just hasnt been enough competition at 135 until recently for me to rank him any higher p4p wise. Jstew:

He’ll move up(on my list) after he gets this next win on his resume IMO. There just hasnt been enough competition at 135 until recently for me to rank him any higher p4p wise.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90384 Jstew3785 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:15:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90384 My boy Miguel Torres, still not getting any love (except from Mu_Shin). How anyone would not have him in their top 5 or have BJ Penn ranked above him is beyond me. As I posted before, I have him ranked at #1. I'm not hating on anyone, it's just blows my mind that BJ would be in anyone's top 5. My boy Miguel Torres, still not getting any love (except from Mu_Shin). How anyone would not have him in their top 5 or have BJ Penn ranked above him is beyond me. As I posted before, I have him ranked at #1. I’m not hating on anyone, it’s just blows my mind that BJ would be in anyone’s top 5.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90381 edub Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:50:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90381 Patrickk: GSP: (Not finishing and not having hands up to par with the top 5)Has finished everyone of his opponents except Fitch, Alves, Mayhem, and Pariysian. And In those fights(except for Karo) he left his opponent a bloddy beatdown mess. He has a Knockdown against every opponent he has ever faced except Serra and Trigg in the UFC. Anderson:(Garbage wrestling skills) See the switch on Marquardt, Or just watch the Henderson fight and see how hard it was for Hendo to take him down. And he embarrassed Jam3es Irvin not Lloyd Irvin. Fedor: (Not fighting top tier in years and ur point about ground skills) His last two fights were against top 5 hw opponents and he scheduled to again fight the 2nd ranked hw in the world. He is the best Sambo practicioner in MMA, and He has subs in ALOT of his fights. Lyoto: Good points Mike Brown:(On sub defense) He is getting better working at American top team, but his sub defense is still his achilles heal(see Imanari fight). I dont think he belongs on this list because I think he has yet to face a great sub expert on the ground in the WEC(Curran is great but he is just to small). I believe if he faces a guy like Fabiano we will see the chinks in his armor. I think Bj should be at 5 and Mike Brown should be in the 7-8 range. Im not hating on your points. They were well thought out, Im just giving you some different things to look at. Patrickk:

GSP: (Not finishing and not having hands up to par with the top 5)Has finished everyone of his opponents except Fitch, Alves, Mayhem, and Pariysian. And In those fights(except for Karo) he left his opponent a bloddy beatdown mess. He has a Knockdown against every opponent he has ever faced except Serra and Trigg in the UFC.

Anderson:(Garbage wrestling skills) See the switch on Marquardt, Or just watch the Henderson fight and see how hard it was for Hendo to take him down. And he embarrassed Jam3es Irvin not Lloyd Irvin.

Fedor: (Not fighting top tier in years and ur point about ground skills) His last two fights were against top 5 hw opponents and he scheduled to again fight the 2nd ranked hw in the world. He is the best Sambo practicioner in MMA, and He has subs in ALOT of his fights.

Lyoto: Good points

Mike Brown:(On sub defense) He is getting better working at American top team, but his sub defense is still his achilles heal(see Imanari fight). I dont think he belongs on this list because I think he has yet to face a great sub expert on the ground in the WEC(Curran is great but he is just to small). I believe if he faces a guy like Fabiano we will see the chinks in his armor.

I think Bj should be at 5 and Mike Brown should be in the 7-8 range.

Im not hating on your points. They were well thought out, Im just giving you some different things to look at.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Patrickk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90374 Patrickk Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:45:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90374 A brief critique of the top 5 people and then the numbers according to me: GSP - his hands are not up to par with any of the guys in this top 5. He uses his wrestling somewhat like Brock and just pounds away his opponent's face and spirits. Then once their spirit is gone he just humiliates them until the end of the fight. He rarely finishes fights. Anderson Silva - Top 2 best strikers in this top 5. Garbage wrestling skills. Great ground skills. He usually finishes opponents. Lyoto Machida - Top 2 best stikers in this top 5. Awesome wrestling skills (we seen against Tito). Ground skills pretty up to par although I haven't seen much of them except a sweep or an escape. Is starting to finish his opponents. Fedor - Unorthodox and very lethal and precise striking. Not the best technically. He just has that instinct of his own style. Usually finishes his opponents. Ground skills are alright, haven't seen much of them except some escapes. Mike Brown - Extremely powerful and precise. Great wrestling skills. Can stifle most submission attempts from the ground. Don't know about his ground defense, I'm sure it's just to escape back to the feet. Has been finishing most of his fights lately. Given this information I'd say the top 5 are: 1. Anderson Silva - His wrap sheet is more composed of high-class victims than any other guy, and in devastating fashion. His past 2 fights were scared opponents. But before that, he tapped Henderson, KO'd Rich Franklin twice, tapped Lutter, TKO'd Marquardt, and we can't forget how he embarrassed Lloyd Irvin. Anyone that has embraced a full fledged war with Silva has came up on the short end of the stick very quickly and with an abrupt end. 2. Lyoto Machida - His wrap sheet is becoming better every fight, and it is not as long as Silva's. It seems like Machida is just starting to approach the initial part of his prime. Outscoring and embarrassing Tito is a very impressible feat. Also, knocking out Thiago Silva in the first was great. And to top it off, he humiliated Rashad Evans and knocked him out in one of the most spectacular fashions I have ever seen in the UFC. Evans is a beast, and he is a top-of-the-line opponent. And for Machida to do that to Evans says to me that he can do that to pretty much anyone. I'd like to see Machida vs. Anderson Silva though! 3. GSP - It seems as though GSP's only advantage is his Brock Lesnar-type fighting style. His takedowns are somewhat technical, but his timing is impeccable; and that is why it looks like he takes everyone down with ease. He is very durable and his athleticness is above all. But he just does not have the stand-up skills to compete with Silva or Machida. I'd see him getting KO'd within the first 2 rounds by either one of them. 4. Fedor - We haven't seen Fedor fight an incredibly top-tier fighter in years now. It seems as though he has this mystique around him like he is extremely amazing. I understand he has skills in every area, but we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop. 5. Mike Brown - He has exploded on the scene with his power and poise. He will reign as the featherweight champ for a long time. I don't see anyone beating him. Aldo can outstrike him technically. But after a little war of attrition (grinding each other out), Mike Brown will make his move for and secure a knockout around the fourth. He is just too durable and extremely strong and explosive for his weight class. A brief critique of the top 5 people and then the numbers according to me:

GSP – his hands are not up to par with any of the guys in this top 5. He uses his wrestling somewhat like Brock and just pounds away his opponent’s face and spirits. Then once their spirit is gone he just humiliates them until the end of the fight. He rarely finishes fights.

Anderson Silva – Top 2 best strikers in this top 5. Garbage wrestling skills. Great ground skills. He usually finishes opponents.

Lyoto Machida – Top 2 best stikers in this top 5. Awesome wrestling skills (we seen against Tito). Ground skills pretty up to par although I haven’t seen much of them except a sweep or an escape. Is starting to finish his opponents.

Fedor – Unorthodox and very lethal and precise striking. Not the best technically. He just has that instinct of his own style. Usually finishes his opponents. Ground skills are alright, haven’t seen much of them except some escapes.

Mike Brown – Extremely powerful and precise. Great wrestling skills. Can stifle most submission attempts from the ground. Don’t know about his ground defense, I’m sure it’s just to escape back to the feet. Has been finishing most of his fights lately.

Given this information I’d say the top 5 are:

1. Anderson Silva – His wrap sheet is more composed of high-class victims than any other guy, and in devastating fashion. His past 2 fights were scared opponents. But before that, he tapped Henderson, KO’d Rich Franklin twice, tapped Lutter, TKO’d Marquardt, and we can’t forget how he embarrassed Lloyd Irvin. Anyone that has embraced a full fledged war with Silva has came up on the short end of the stick very quickly and with an abrupt end.

2. Lyoto Machida – His wrap sheet is becoming better every fight, and it is not as long as Silva’s. It seems like Machida is just starting to approach the initial part of his prime. Outscoring and embarrassing Tito is a very impressible feat. Also, knocking out Thiago Silva in the first was great. And to top it off, he humiliated Rashad Evans and knocked him out in one of the most spectacular fashions I have ever seen in the UFC. Evans is a beast, and he is a top-of-the-line opponent. And for Machida to do that to Evans says to me that he can do that to pretty much anyone. I’d like to see Machida vs. Anderson Silva though!

3. GSP – It seems as though GSP’s only advantage is his Brock Lesnar-type fighting style. His takedowns are somewhat technical, but his timing is impeccable; and that is why it looks like he takes everyone down with ease. He is very durable and his athleticness is above all. But he just does not have the stand-up skills to compete with Silva or Machida. I’d see him getting KO’d within the first 2 rounds by either one of them.

4. Fedor – We haven’t seen Fedor fight an incredibly top-tier fighter in years now. It seems as though he has this mystique around him like he is extremely amazing. I understand he has skills in every area, but we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop.

5. Mike Brown – He has exploded on the scene with his power and poise. He will reign as the featherweight champ for a long time. I don’t see anyone beating him. Aldo can outstrike him technically. But after a little war of attrition (grinding each other out), Mike Brown will make his move for and secure a knockout around the fourth. He is just too durable and extremely strong and explosive for his weight class.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: bizzarmg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-89312 bizzarmg Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:04:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-89312 I would have said Anderson Silva #1 GSP #2 Lyoto at 3 and Fedor at 4. Silva looks like he's just playing around in the Octagon and recently has been disappointing. But I think if it came down to it, if he had someone good to fight against, we'd see him in his most dominant form ever. GSP is a beast and there is no question about it and the only reason i put him at 2 is because I think if anderson and GSP fought anderson would beat him. That's just my opinion. Lyoto is undefeated and has beaten all tough fighters his skill is unmatched in his division. Fedor is good but he looked bad against arlovski. Maybe he knocked him out but I think if they rematched arlovski would have that fight won. He slipped up and got too cockey and you can't don that with Fedor. I would have said Anderson Silva #1 GSP #2 Lyoto at 3 and Fedor at 4. Silva looks like he’s just playing around in the Octagon and recently has been disappointing. But I think if it came down to it, if he had someone good to fight against, we’d see him in his most dominant form ever. GSP is a beast and there is no question about it and the only reason i put him at 2 is because I think if anderson and GSP fought anderson would beat him. That’s just my opinion. Lyoto is undefeated and has beaten all tough fighters his skill is unmatched in his division. Fedor is good but he looked bad against arlovski. Maybe he knocked him out but I think if they rematched arlovski would have that fight won. He slipped up and got too cockey and you can’t don that with Fedor.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82467 neijia Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:12:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82467 mu_shin, yeah I'll have to watch that fight again. In his book, BJ talks about how hard Machida hit him, but I couldn't tell from the video. It didn't seem to be a dominating win despite the weight difference. I wouldn't put Penn above Machida in p4p but I think most of us put Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva and Machida somewhere in the top 5. If we go on records, it's Fedor at essentially 30-0, though Torres is 37-1 and claims 49-1. mu_shin, yeah I’ll have to watch that fight again. In his book, BJ talks about how hard Machida hit him, but I couldn’t tell from the video. It didn’t seem to be a dominating win despite the weight difference. I wouldn’t put Penn above Machida in p4p but I think most of us put Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva and Machida somewhere in the top 5. If we go on records, it’s Fedor at essentially 30-0, though Torres is 37-1 and claims 49-1.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82464 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:02:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82464 Cool, thanks for that. I guess I was trying to say that Silva has cleaned out a division that isn't as strong as it could or perhaps should be, saying that it sucked was something that I realize was wrong but I was just saying that to say he is p4p for "cleaning out" The UFC MW division was going a bit far. He hasn't done that anyway, there is a few guys like Bisping, Okami, Mia etc that would say he has cleaned out nothing. I tend to pick on the UFC divisions because they don't cooperate with any others which means that although the UFC has about half of the worlds top 20 talent (or more) in 1 company it is not the be all and end all of MMA. Other fighters such as Mousassi, Belfort, Lindland, Manouf for example may be better competition at MW than Leben, Cote, Lutter etc. Having said that I do think that the UFC has the best HW,LHW,MW and WW divisions (I would say that the LW division belongs to DREAM). Cool, thanks for that.
I guess I was trying to say that Silva has cleaned out a division that isn’t as strong as it could or perhaps should be, saying that it sucked was something that I realize was wrong but I was just saying that to say he is p4p for “cleaning out” The UFC MW division was going a bit far. He hasn’t done that anyway, there is a few guys like Bisping, Okami, Mia etc that would say he has cleaned out nothing.
I tend to pick on the UFC divisions because they don’t cooperate with any others which means that although the UFC has about half of the worlds top 20 talent (or more) in 1 company it is not the be all and end all of MMA. Other fighters such as Mousassi, Belfort, Lindland, Manouf for example may be better competition at MW than Leben, Cote, Lutter etc.
Having said that I do think that the UFC has the best HW,LHW,MW and WW divisions (I would say that the LW division belongs to DREAM).

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82437 edub Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:26:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82437 Yea i was an asshole. Sorry I get a little heated, and I just called someone out in another thread for doing exactly what i did. Hypocrite=Me I just set me off that i completely disagree with everything you said. Just answer me one thing who has a better MW division than the UFC? Besides dream I dont think there is anyone even close to the lw division of the UFC. and I still think the UFCs is stronger. Yea i was an asshole.

Sorry I get a little heated, and I just called someone out in another thread for doing exactly what i did. Hypocrite=Me

I just set me off that i completely disagree with everything you said.

Just answer me one thing who has a better MW division than the UFC?

Besides dream I dont think there is anyone even close to the lw division of the UFC. and I still think the UFCs is stronger.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]>