Comments on: One Man’s Opinion: Who’s the true pound for pound king? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 01:07:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90399 metalmulisha Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:13:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90399 LOL @ Patrickk Fedor "we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop." Really? WTF are you talking about? LOL @ Patrickk
Fedor “we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop.”

Really? WTF are you talking about?

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90391 Jstew3785 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:37:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90391 That's fair. I don't expect everyone to have it ranked the same as me. I just wish that the UFC would incorporate the 135 and 145 divisions so great fighters like Faber, Brown, Torres etc would get the exposure they deserve. Of course we all know about them but I bet the casual fan couldn't pick them out of a lineup That’s fair. I don’t expect everyone to have it ranked the same as me. I just wish that the UFC would incorporate the 135 and 145 divisions so great fighters like Faber, Brown, Torres etc would get the exposure they deserve. Of course we all know about them but I bet the casual fan couldn’t pick them out of a lineup

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90390 edub Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:18:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90390 Jstew: He'll move up(on my list) after he gets this next win on his resume IMO. There just hasnt been enough competition at 135 until recently for me to rank him any higher p4p wise. Jstew:

He’ll move up(on my list) after he gets this next win on his resume IMO. There just hasnt been enough competition at 135 until recently for me to rank him any higher p4p wise.

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90384 Jstew3785 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:15:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90384 My boy Miguel Torres, still not getting any love (except from Mu_Shin). How anyone would not have him in their top 5 or have BJ Penn ranked above him is beyond me. As I posted before, I have him ranked at #1. I'm not hating on anyone, it's just blows my mind that BJ would be in anyone's top 5. My boy Miguel Torres, still not getting any love (except from Mu_Shin). How anyone would not have him in their top 5 or have BJ Penn ranked above him is beyond me. As I posted before, I have him ranked at #1. I’m not hating on anyone, it’s just blows my mind that BJ would be in anyone’s top 5.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90381 edub Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:50:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90381 Patrickk: GSP: (Not finishing and not having hands up to par with the top 5)Has finished everyone of his opponents except Fitch, Alves, Mayhem, and Pariysian. And In those fights(except for Karo) he left his opponent a bloddy beatdown mess. He has a Knockdown against every opponent he has ever faced except Serra and Trigg in the UFC. Anderson:(Garbage wrestling skills) See the switch on Marquardt, Or just watch the Henderson fight and see how hard it was for Hendo to take him down. And he embarrassed Jam3es Irvin not Lloyd Irvin. Fedor: (Not fighting top tier in years and ur point about ground skills) His last two fights were against top 5 hw opponents and he scheduled to again fight the 2nd ranked hw in the world. He is the best Sambo practicioner in MMA, and He has subs in ALOT of his fights. Lyoto: Good points Mike Brown:(On sub defense) He is getting better working at American top team, but his sub defense is still his achilles heal(see Imanari fight). I dont think he belongs on this list because I think he has yet to face a great sub expert on the ground in the WEC(Curran is great but he is just to small). I believe if he faces a guy like Fabiano we will see the chinks in his armor. I think Bj should be at 5 and Mike Brown should be in the 7-8 range. Im not hating on your points. They were well thought out, Im just giving you some different things to look at. Patrickk:

GSP: (Not finishing and not having hands up to par with the top 5)Has finished everyone of his opponents except Fitch, Alves, Mayhem, and Pariysian. And In those fights(except for Karo) he left his opponent a bloddy beatdown mess. He has a Knockdown against every opponent he has ever faced except Serra and Trigg in the UFC.

Anderson:(Garbage wrestling skills) See the switch on Marquardt, Or just watch the Henderson fight and see how hard it was for Hendo to take him down. And he embarrassed Jam3es Irvin not Lloyd Irvin.

Fedor: (Not fighting top tier in years and ur point about ground skills) His last two fights were against top 5 hw opponents and he scheduled to again fight the 2nd ranked hw in the world. He is the best Sambo practicioner in MMA, and He has subs in ALOT of his fights.

Lyoto: Good points

Mike Brown:(On sub defense) He is getting better working at American top team, but his sub defense is still his achilles heal(see Imanari fight). I dont think he belongs on this list because I think he has yet to face a great sub expert on the ground in the WEC(Curran is great but he is just to small). I believe if he faces a guy like Fabiano we will see the chinks in his armor.

I think Bj should be at 5 and Mike Brown should be in the 7-8 range.

Im not hating on your points. They were well thought out, Im just giving you some different things to look at.

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]]> By: Patrickk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-90374 Patrickk Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:45:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-90374 A brief critique of the top 5 people and then the numbers according to me: GSP - his hands are not up to par with any of the guys in this top 5. He uses his wrestling somewhat like Brock and just pounds away his opponent's face and spirits. Then once their spirit is gone he just humiliates them until the end of the fight. He rarely finishes fights. Anderson Silva - Top 2 best strikers in this top 5. Garbage wrestling skills. Great ground skills. He usually finishes opponents. Lyoto Machida - Top 2 best stikers in this top 5. Awesome wrestling skills (we seen against Tito). Ground skills pretty up to par although I haven't seen much of them except a sweep or an escape. Is starting to finish his opponents. Fedor - Unorthodox and very lethal and precise striking. Not the best technically. He just has that instinct of his own style. Usually finishes his opponents. Ground skills are alright, haven't seen much of them except some escapes. Mike Brown - Extremely powerful and precise. Great wrestling skills. Can stifle most submission attempts from the ground. Don't know about his ground defense, I'm sure it's just to escape back to the feet. Has been finishing most of his fights lately. Given this information I'd say the top 5 are: 1. Anderson Silva - His wrap sheet is more composed of high-class victims than any other guy, and in devastating fashion. His past 2 fights were scared opponents. But before that, he tapped Henderson, KO'd Rich Franklin twice, tapped Lutter, TKO'd Marquardt, and we can't forget how he embarrassed Lloyd Irvin. Anyone that has embraced a full fledged war with Silva has came up on the short end of the stick very quickly and with an abrupt end. 2. Lyoto Machida - His wrap sheet is becoming better every fight, and it is not as long as Silva's. It seems like Machida is just starting to approach the initial part of his prime. Outscoring and embarrassing Tito is a very impressible feat. Also, knocking out Thiago Silva in the first was great. And to top it off, he humiliated Rashad Evans and knocked him out in one of the most spectacular fashions I have ever seen in the UFC. Evans is a beast, and he is a top-of-the-line opponent. And for Machida to do that to Evans says to me that he can do that to pretty much anyone. I'd like to see Machida vs. Anderson Silva though! 3. GSP - It seems as though GSP's only advantage is his Brock Lesnar-type fighting style. His takedowns are somewhat technical, but his timing is impeccable; and that is why it looks like he takes everyone down with ease. He is very durable and his athleticness is above all. But he just does not have the stand-up skills to compete with Silva or Machida. I'd see him getting KO'd within the first 2 rounds by either one of them. 4. Fedor - We haven't seen Fedor fight an incredibly top-tier fighter in years now. It seems as though he has this mystique around him like he is extremely amazing. I understand he has skills in every area, but we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop. 5. Mike Brown - He has exploded on the scene with his power and poise. He will reign as the featherweight champ for a long time. I don't see anyone beating him. Aldo can outstrike him technically. But after a little war of attrition (grinding each other out), Mike Brown will make his move for and secure a knockout around the fourth. He is just too durable and extremely strong and explosive for his weight class. A brief critique of the top 5 people and then the numbers according to me:

GSP – his hands are not up to par with any of the guys in this top 5. He uses his wrestling somewhat like Brock and just pounds away his opponent’s face and spirits. Then once their spirit is gone he just humiliates them until the end of the fight. He rarely finishes fights.

Anderson Silva – Top 2 best strikers in this top 5. Garbage wrestling skills. Great ground skills. He usually finishes opponents.

Lyoto Machida – Top 2 best stikers in this top 5. Awesome wrestling skills (we seen against Tito). Ground skills pretty up to par although I haven’t seen much of them except a sweep or an escape. Is starting to finish his opponents.

Fedor – Unorthodox and very lethal and precise striking. Not the best technically. He just has that instinct of his own style. Usually finishes his opponents. Ground skills are alright, haven’t seen much of them except some escapes.

Mike Brown – Extremely powerful and precise. Great wrestling skills. Can stifle most submission attempts from the ground. Don’t know about his ground defense, I’m sure it’s just to escape back to the feet. Has been finishing most of his fights lately.

Given this information I’d say the top 5 are:

1. Anderson Silva – His wrap sheet is more composed of high-class victims than any other guy, and in devastating fashion. His past 2 fights were scared opponents. But before that, he tapped Henderson, KO’d Rich Franklin twice, tapped Lutter, TKO’d Marquardt, and we can’t forget how he embarrassed Lloyd Irvin. Anyone that has embraced a full fledged war with Silva has came up on the short end of the stick very quickly and with an abrupt end.

2. Lyoto Machida – His wrap sheet is becoming better every fight, and it is not as long as Silva’s. It seems like Machida is just starting to approach the initial part of his prime. Outscoring and embarrassing Tito is a very impressible feat. Also, knocking out Thiago Silva in the first was great. And to top it off, he humiliated Rashad Evans and knocked him out in one of the most spectacular fashions I have ever seen in the UFC. Evans is a beast, and he is a top-of-the-line opponent. And for Machida to do that to Evans says to me that he can do that to pretty much anyone. I’d like to see Machida vs. Anderson Silva though!

3. GSP – It seems as though GSP’s only advantage is his Brock Lesnar-type fighting style. His takedowns are somewhat technical, but his timing is impeccable; and that is why it looks like he takes everyone down with ease. He is very durable and his athleticness is above all. But he just does not have the stand-up skills to compete with Silva or Machida. I’d see him getting KO’d within the first 2 rounds by either one of them.

4. Fedor – We haven’t seen Fedor fight an incredibly top-tier fighter in years now. It seems as though he has this mystique around him like he is extremely amazing. I understand he has skills in every area, but we have not seen him tested against the cream of the crop.

5. Mike Brown – He has exploded on the scene with his power and poise. He will reign as the featherweight champ for a long time. I don’t see anyone beating him. Aldo can outstrike him technically. But after a little war of attrition (grinding each other out), Mike Brown will make his move for and secure a knockout around the fourth. He is just too durable and extremely strong and explosive for his weight class.

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]]> By: bizzarmg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-89312 bizzarmg Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:04:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-89312 I would have said Anderson Silva #1 GSP #2 Lyoto at 3 and Fedor at 4. Silva looks like he's just playing around in the Octagon and recently has been disappointing. But I think if it came down to it, if he had someone good to fight against, we'd see him in his most dominant form ever. GSP is a beast and there is no question about it and the only reason i put him at 2 is because I think if anderson and GSP fought anderson would beat him. That's just my opinion. Lyoto is undefeated and has beaten all tough fighters his skill is unmatched in his division. Fedor is good but he looked bad against arlovski. Maybe he knocked him out but I think if they rematched arlovski would have that fight won. He slipped up and got too cockey and you can't don that with Fedor. I would have said Anderson Silva #1 GSP #2 Lyoto at 3 and Fedor at 4. Silva looks like he’s just playing around in the Octagon and recently has been disappointing. But I think if it came down to it, if he had someone good to fight against, we’d see him in his most dominant form ever. GSP is a beast and there is no question about it and the only reason i put him at 2 is because I think if anderson and GSP fought anderson would beat him. That’s just my opinion. Lyoto is undefeated and has beaten all tough fighters his skill is unmatched in his division. Fedor is good but he looked bad against arlovski. Maybe he knocked him out but I think if they rematched arlovski would have that fight won. He slipped up and got too cockey and you can’t don that with Fedor.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82467 neijia Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:12:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82467 mu_shin, yeah I'll have to watch that fight again. In his book, BJ talks about how hard Machida hit him, but I couldn't tell from the video. It didn't seem to be a dominating win despite the weight difference. I wouldn't put Penn above Machida in p4p but I think most of us put Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva and Machida somewhere in the top 5. If we go on records, it's Fedor at essentially 30-0, though Torres is 37-1 and claims 49-1. mu_shin, yeah I’ll have to watch that fight again. In his book, BJ talks about how hard Machida hit him, but I couldn’t tell from the video. It didn’t seem to be a dominating win despite the weight difference. I wouldn’t put Penn above Machida in p4p but I think most of us put Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva and Machida somewhere in the top 5. If we go on records, it’s Fedor at essentially 30-0, though Torres is 37-1 and claims 49-1.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82464 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:02:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82464 Cool, thanks for that. I guess I was trying to say that Silva has cleaned out a division that isn't as strong as it could or perhaps should be, saying that it sucked was something that I realize was wrong but I was just saying that to say he is p4p for "cleaning out" The UFC MW division was going a bit far. He hasn't done that anyway, there is a few guys like Bisping, Okami, Mia etc that would say he has cleaned out nothing. I tend to pick on the UFC divisions because they don't cooperate with any others which means that although the UFC has about half of the worlds top 20 talent (or more) in 1 company it is not the be all and end all of MMA. Other fighters such as Mousassi, Belfort, Lindland, Manouf for example may be better competition at MW than Leben, Cote, Lutter etc. Having said that I do think that the UFC has the best HW,LHW,MW and WW divisions (I would say that the LW division belongs to DREAM). Cool, thanks for that.
I guess I was trying to say that Silva has cleaned out a division that isn’t as strong as it could or perhaps should be, saying that it sucked was something that I realize was wrong but I was just saying that to say he is p4p for “cleaning out” The UFC MW division was going a bit far. He hasn’t done that anyway, there is a few guys like Bisping, Okami, Mia etc that would say he has cleaned out nothing.
I tend to pick on the UFC divisions because they don’t cooperate with any others which means that although the UFC has about half of the worlds top 20 talent (or more) in 1 company it is not the be all and end all of MMA. Other fighters such as Mousassi, Belfort, Lindland, Manouf for example may be better competition at MW than Leben, Cote, Lutter etc.
Having said that I do think that the UFC has the best HW,LHW,MW and WW divisions (I would say that the LW division belongs to DREAM).

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82437 edub Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:26:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82437 Yea i was an asshole. Sorry I get a little heated, and I just called someone out in another thread for doing exactly what i did. Hypocrite=Me I just set me off that i completely disagree with everything you said. Just answer me one thing who has a better MW division than the UFC? Besides dream I dont think there is anyone even close to the lw division of the UFC. and I still think the UFCs is stronger. Yea i was an asshole.

Sorry I get a little heated, and I just called someone out in another thread for doing exactly what i did. Hypocrite=Me

I just set me off that i completely disagree with everything you said.

Just answer me one thing who has a better MW division than the UFC?

Besides dream I dont think there is anyone even close to the lw division of the UFC. and I still think the UFCs is stronger.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82428 MMA-LOGIC Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:48:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82428 "The UFC is the biggest promotion in the entire world with the highest rated divisions across the board" Yes it is adud, but it does not have a very strong MW or LW division and although Affliction has a few good HWs I would say as far as a complete division goes the UFC HW division is better but...Affliction is willing to work with others. See and I didn't insult your name or complete lack of a reasonable retort. P.S. Up yours. “The UFC is the biggest promotion in the entire world with the highest rated divisions across the board”
Yes it is adud, but it does not have a very strong MW or LW division and although Affliction has a few good HWs I would say as far as a complete division goes the UFC HW division is better but…Affliction is willing to work with others.

See and I didn’t insult your name or complete lack of a reasonable retort.

P.S. Up yours.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82426 MMA-LOGIC Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82426 edub he did lose his last 2 fights in Pride??? You would have sounded just as mature if you called me a poo poo head! I did like Pride better so what? do you "jerk off" over the UFC??? edub you disagree it seems why don't you say why instead of acting like a 5 year old school girl and calling me names. If I made you cry because I pointed out a few things about the UFC I'm sorry. Now go play with your toys cuz us grown-ups are trying to talk. edub he did lose his last 2 fights in Pride???
You would have sounded just as mature if you called me a poo poo head!
I did like Pride better so what? do you “jerk off” over the UFC???
edub you disagree it seems why don’t you say why instead of acting like a 5 year old school girl and calling me names.
If I made you cry because I pointed out a few things about the UFC I’m sorry. Now go play with your toys cuz us grown-ups are trying to talk.

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]]> By: GetItOn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82360 GetItOn Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:01:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82360 #1 Still Fedor just because of his competition and record #2 Miguel Torres just because of his dominating record 37-1-0 #3 Anderson Silva Record and competition better than GSP #4 GSP Record and competition better than Machida #5 Lyota Machida #1 Still Fedor just because of his competition and record
#2 Miguel Torres just because of his dominating record 37-1-0
#3 Anderson Silva Record and competition better than GSP
#4 GSP Record and competition better than Machida
#5 Lyota Machida

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82355 mu_shin Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:08:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82355 neijia: dial up the Penn/Machida fight and watch it again. BJ hit Lyoto as hard as anyone has to date, but Lyoto clearly dominated that fight. I watched it again a couple times previous to the GSP/BJ fight, and while I think Lyoto has improved quite a bit since he fought BJ, it was still a clear victory for Machida. P4P is at best a great topic for debate, and at worst a fool's errand, as evidenced by many of the comments above. Of course, every fan is entitled to his or her opinion... Miguel Torres is one of the best illustrations of what the P4P concept is really all about. He is an incredibly dominant champion, and has fought some tough tough matches in defense of his title. The war he had with Yoshiro Maeda was a great MMA contest, and the Takeda Mizugaki fight was among the absolute best MMA fights I've ever seen. The fact that this guys weighs 135 lbs. just defines the cliche: it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. That said, it's difficult for me to seriously consider anyone other than Fedor Emelianenko as the number one pound for pound fighter currently active in MMA. Aside from one DQ cut loss which in most situations would be considered a no contest, he has overcome every technical challenge he's ever faced in the ring, and walked out of every fight he's ever had with his hands raised. Just for general information, Fedor did lose the Combat Sambo World Championships he competed in on November 16, 2008, in St. Petersburg,Russia, his first loss in Sambo in eight years. He redeemed himself on Feb. 21, 2009, where he won the Russian Combat Sambo Chamionship, where his quarter, semi, and final matches totalled sixty seconds combined. neijia: dial up the Penn/Machida fight and watch it again. BJ hit Lyoto as hard as anyone has to date, but Lyoto clearly dominated that fight. I watched it again a couple times previous to the GSP/BJ fight, and while I think Lyoto has improved quite a bit since he fought BJ, it was still a clear victory for Machida.

P4P is at best a great topic for debate, and at worst a fool’s errand, as evidenced by many of the comments above. Of course, every fan is entitled to his or her opinion…

Miguel Torres is one of the best illustrations of what the P4P concept is really all about. He is an incredibly dominant champion, and has fought some tough tough matches in defense of his title. The war he had with Yoshiro Maeda was a great MMA contest, and the Takeda Mizugaki fight was among the absolute best MMA fights I’ve ever seen. The fact that this guys weighs 135 lbs. just defines the cliche: it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.

That said, it’s difficult for me to seriously consider anyone other than Fedor Emelianenko as the number one pound for pound fighter currently active in MMA. Aside from one DQ cut loss which in most situations would be considered a no contest, he has overcome every technical challenge he’s ever faced in the ring, and walked out of every fight he’s ever had with his hands raised.

Just for general information, Fedor did lose the Combat Sambo World Championships he competed in on November 16, 2008, in St. Petersburg,Russia, his first loss in Sambo in eight years. He redeemed himself on Feb. 21, 2009, where he won the Russian Combat Sambo Chamionship, where his quarter, semi, and final matches totalled sixty seconds combined.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82265 neijia Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:50:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82265 Lyoto not taking a big shot is to his CREDIT, not something to count against him. If we judge p4p by coming back after taking a shot, it's obviously Fedor. Just saying if we judge by lack of flaws, it's Lyoto. Biggest problem I see in his past performances is I don't think he clearly beat BJ Penn. I'd call that fight a draw. Lyoto not taking a big shot is to his CREDIT, not something to count against him. If we judge p4p by coming back after taking a shot, it’s obviously Fedor. Just saying if we judge by lack of flaws, it’s Lyoto. Biggest problem I see in his past performances is I don’t think he clearly beat BJ Penn. I’d call that fight a draw.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82253 edub Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:22:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82253 Mma-Logic: The second half of your name is quite laughable with the complete garbage rant you just went on in the site. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but you should probably just go jerk off to old Pride Dvds. The UFC is the biggest promotion in the entire world with the highest rated divisions across the board.(Some would argue Dream has a better LW, and affliction has a better HW). "The guy lost his last two fights in pride". I would usually think the problem with MMA is new fans, but after reading this it is definately people like you. Mma-Logic: The second half of your name is quite laughable with the complete garbage rant you just went on in the site.

Everybody’s entitled to their opinion, but you should probably just go jerk off to old Pride Dvds.

The UFC is the biggest promotion in the entire world with the highest rated divisions across the board.(Some would argue Dream has a better LW, and affliction has a better HW).

“The guy lost his last two fights in pride”.

I would usually think the problem with MMA is new fans, but after reading this it is definately people like you.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-82028 MMA-LOGIC Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:05:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-82028 Mac what are you talking about?. Fedor can fight Arlovski, Sylvia, Buentello, Werdum, Barnett, Overeem, Rogers, Kharitonov, Monson, Yvel, Nelson, Crocop(?), Hunt as well as many others, in the UFC he can face Mir, Lesnar a 3-1 champ (who was rushed to the belt for ratings), Couture a 46 yr old overrated wrestler who can't submit can't kick, can't knock you out and can't hold on to a belt in any division let alone HW and has a record of 6-6 over the last 7 or 8 yrs, Nog for the 4th time?. Sure there are guys with promise but its a big MMA world out there and to go to the UFC and hand Dana his balls would not make sense. As for Anderson yeah he has cleaned out the division but the UFC MW division sucks! Of his fights in the UFC he has faced the likes of Leben, Lutter, Laites and Cote. None of these guys are even top fighters in the grand scheme of things. He has not faced Rua, Lawler, Santiago, Lindland, Jacre, Manouf, Mousassi, Villasenor, Smith, Belfort, Okami (again), Misaki, Trigg or had a rematch with Henderson. To be honest I think he has only faced 3 guys that I would consider great victories since joining the UFC...Henderson, Franklin and Marquadt and the guy also lost his last 2 fights in Pride. I rate BJ but the UFC LW division is the worst out of all of the UFC divisions. I would guess that about 6 or 7 of the top 10 LW fighters fight elsewhere. As for GSP...grease anyone?. Fedor has only ever lost once, via accidental illegal elbow that opened a cut and he has faced 4 Pride HW champs and about 5 UFC HW champs along with 2 K1 GP champs. Mac what are you talking about?. Fedor can fight Arlovski, Sylvia, Buentello, Werdum, Barnett, Overeem, Rogers, Kharitonov, Monson, Yvel, Nelson, Crocop(?), Hunt as well as many others, in the UFC he can face Mir, Lesnar a 3-1 champ (who was rushed to the belt for ratings), Couture a 46 yr old overrated wrestler who can’t submit can’t kick, can’t knock you out and can’t hold on to a belt in any division let alone HW and has a record of 6-6 over the last 7 or 8 yrs, Nog for the 4th time?. Sure there are guys with promise but its a big MMA world out there and to go to the UFC and hand Dana his balls would not make sense.
As for Anderson yeah he has cleaned out the division but the UFC MW division sucks! Of his fights in the UFC he has faced the likes of Leben, Lutter, Laites and Cote. None of these guys are even top fighters in the grand scheme of things. He has not faced Rua, Lawler, Santiago, Lindland, Jacre, Manouf, Mousassi, Villasenor, Smith, Belfort, Okami (again), Misaki, Trigg or had a rematch with Henderson. To be honest I think he has only faced 3 guys that I would consider great victories since joining the UFC…Henderson, Franklin and Marquadt and the guy also lost his last 2 fights in Pride.
I rate BJ but the UFC LW division is the worst out of all of the UFC divisions. I would guess that about 6 or 7 of the top 10 LW fighters fight elsewhere.
As for GSP…grease anyone?.
Fedor has only ever lost once, via accidental illegal elbow that opened a cut and he has faced 4 Pride HW champs and about 5 UFC HW champs along with 2 K1 GP champs.

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]]> By: ultimoshogun http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-80090 ultimoshogun Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:54:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-80090 Fedor is #1 p4p hands down, and as far as Wilson's opinion of "lack of real competition" Barnett would clean out the UFC HW division except maybe for Noguiera. Fedor is #1 p4p hands down, and as far as Wilson’s opinion of “lack of real competition” Barnett would clean out the UFC HW division except maybe for Noguiera.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-79442 edub Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:00:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-79442 Neijia i really like your point about lyoto, and i think we will see him steadily climb this list in the upcoming years. In response to redness I feel Anderson's showings have been great and that he is obviously a great fighter I just feel like his last two fights were against opponents who shouldnt have been in there with him. Cote had just won a gift of a decision against Almeida(IMO of course), and Thales had just gotten beat up by Nate. I have Fedor at #1 because he IMO has been there for years, and I believe his last two fights cement that spot.(Mac I know Sylvia is on a downslide but he was a top 5 hw when he lost to Fedor and I do not think he should be grouped in with such fighters as HMC, Hunt, Coleman, and an out of his weightclass Lindland. I will be hard pressed not to give GSP the #1 spot if he beats Alves especially if he does it in dominating fashion. That will be 4 top5 ww's in the world in a row(plus the best lw in the world; Sam I dont agree Aoki is ahead of Penn). Also before the Serra fight he had demolished Hughes, Sherk, Trigg, and Mayhem. Back to Anderson; The streak he is on is incredible but I just feel it is not gonna last much longer. On the other hand if he demolishes Forrest he is definately here to stay. (side note: Does anyone know anything about Nate the Great in his fight with Anderson. He came in three lbs underweight and he is usually a very large MW. Ive never been able to get any answers on the subject.) Neijia i really like your point about lyoto, and i think we will see him steadily climb this list in the upcoming years.

In response to redness I feel Anderson’s showings have been great and that he is obviously a great fighter I just feel like his last two fights were against opponents who shouldnt have been in there with him. Cote had just won a gift of a decision against Almeida(IMO of course), and Thales had just gotten beat up by Nate.

I have Fedor at #1 because he IMO has been there for years, and I believe his last two fights cement that spot.(Mac I know Sylvia is on a downslide but he was a top 5 hw when he lost to Fedor and I do not think he should be grouped in with such fighters as HMC, Hunt, Coleman, and an out of his weightclass Lindland.

I will be hard pressed not to give GSP the #1 spot if he beats Alves especially if he does it in dominating fashion. That will be 4 top5 ww’s in the world in a row(plus the best lw in the world; Sam I dont agree Aoki is ahead of Penn). Also before the Serra fight he had demolished Hughes, Sherk, Trigg, and Mayhem.

Back to Anderson; The streak he is on is incredible but I just feel it is not gonna last much longer. On the other hand if he demolishes Forrest he is definately here to stay.

(side note: Does anyone know anything about Nate the Great in his fight with Anderson. He came in three lbs underweight and he is usually a very large MW. Ive never been able to get any answers on the subject.)

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]]> By: redness http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/02/one-mans-opinion-whos-the-true-pound-for-pound-king/comment-page-1/#comment-79392 redness Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:52:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15252#comment-79392 No spell check is a killer. No spell check is a killer.

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