Comments on: GSP on Thiago Alves: ‘I can stand with him’ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 01:07:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: shotokai_ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-82262 shotokai_ Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:36:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-82262 I'd say Alves is bigger come fight night. I know Riggs has come a long way down from HW but Alves definitely has more power and strength - huge upper body for a WW. Must be a horrendous cut for him. It was interesting in some UFC promo vid I watched Alves stated he weighed between 190 and 195 before the fight, and this led to GSP retorting to the interviewer that he also weighed around 190. Although I'm pretty sure Alves was referring to his training, pre-cut weight whereas GSP was referring to his between-fight weight. Although Alves is the stronger guy I really think GSP is the more effective in the application of strength/power to MMA. At best it would it would be very close. Which renders all the conjecture around Alves' power advantage coming into this fight ultimately pointless. It will primarily be decided through technique, heart and game plan application. I’d say Alves is bigger come fight night. I know Riggs has come a long way down from HW but Alves definitely has more power and strength – huge upper body for a WW. Must be a horrendous cut for him.
It was interesting in some UFC promo vid I watched Alves stated he weighed between 190 and 195 before the fight, and this led to GSP retorting to the interviewer that he also weighed around 190. Although I’m pretty sure Alves was referring to his training, pre-cut weight whereas GSP was referring to his between-fight weight. Although Alves is the stronger guy I really think GSP is the more effective in the application of strength/power to MMA. At best it would it would be very close. Which renders all the conjecture around Alves’ power advantage coming into this fight ultimately pointless. It will primarily be decided through technique, heart and game plan application.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-82255 edub Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:42:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-82255 Hey Mu-Shin no 171 for Alves this time baby. Title fights are 170 or bust. I think hell make it though. On a side not I wonder which ww is bigger on fight night. Joe Riggs of Thiago Alves. Hey Mu-Shin no 171 for Alves this time baby. Title fights are 170 or bust. I think hell make it though.

On a side not I wonder which ww is bigger on fight night. Joe Riggs of Thiago Alves.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-82030 MMA-LOGIC Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:11:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-82030 Grease me up baby. Grease me up baby.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-81866 mu_shin Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:35:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-81866 George has it in perspective. Victory is the goal. He has nothing to prove by standing toe to toe with a potentially physically stronger dangerous striker. He'll do what he needs to do to win, however that opportunity presents itself. Alves has the tools to meet St. Pierre in the middle of the cage and throw down, but he's going up against a lot of big fight experience. If he can apply a his strength in the striking game, not forgetting that he is a BJJ black belt, maintain pressure but not make critical mistakes, I think this one could be a real classic. Hoping the weight issue does not raise it's ugly head. Last few times I've seen Thiago in video interviews and promos, he's looking pretty jacked, pretty thick. I've seen it written that he walks around at up to 205 pounds, and that's a long way to go to 170. I know the one time he didn't make weight he'd been injured and had to take a cortizone shot for his ankle, hoping he takes care of business and shows up at 171, then rehydrates up to 190-whatever for fight night. George has it in perspective. Victory is the goal. He has nothing to prove by standing toe to toe with a potentially physically stronger dangerous striker. He’ll do what he needs to do to win, however that opportunity presents itself.

Alves has the tools to meet St. Pierre in the middle of the cage and throw down, but he’s going up against a lot of big fight experience. If he can apply a his strength in the striking game, not forgetting that he is a BJJ black belt, maintain pressure but not make critical mistakes, I think this one could be a real classic.

Hoping the weight issue does not raise it’s ugly head. Last few times I’ve seen Thiago in video interviews and promos, he’s looking pretty jacked, pretty thick. I’ve seen it written that he walks around at up to 205 pounds, and that’s a long way to go to 170. I know the one time he didn’t make weight he’d been injured and had to take a cortizone shot for his ankle, hoping he takes care of business and shows up at 171, then rehydrates up to 190-whatever for fight night.

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]]> By: sigmund http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79947 sigmund Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:55:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79947 alves may have fast heavy hands but I think GSP has much more technical stand up. As far as take downs go I don't think alves' takedown defence will be sufficient Penns wasn't fitchs wasn't etc... GSP all the way to the bank alves may have fast heavy hands but I think GSP has much more technical stand up. As far as take downs go I don’t think alves’ takedown defence will be sufficient Penns wasn’t fitchs wasn’t etc… GSP all the way to the bank

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79745 edub Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:23:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79745 Eventhough Koscheck is definately better at wrestling than Hughes. Eventhough Koscheck is definately better at wrestling than Hughes.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79744 edub Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:22:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79744 Yea new best wrestler to ever grace the ww division is GSP. With Hughes at second and Koscheck third. Yea new best wrestler to ever grace the ww division is GSP. With Hughes at second and Koscheck third.

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]]> By: shotokai_ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79731 shotokai_ Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:10:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79731 "possibly the best wrestler to ever grace the WW division.." Was the best wrestler to ever grace the WW division, now, not so much. Koscheck is in pure wrestling credentials, GSP (easily) in MMA grappling ability. And there's a big, big difference between the two. GSP will take Alves down at any point after the first round. If you think Alves' takedown defense is better than BJ's, Hughes', Fitch's and Koscheck's - then you're wrong, baby. GSP by decision or 4th/5th round TKO. And Jackson's game plan isn't important as it will be what we all expect; 1st round shoot, shoot and shoot some more. 2nd stand a little, change levels, shoot when you feel like. And repeat. A la Fitch, a la Penn. “possibly the best wrestler to ever grace the WW division..”
Was the best wrestler to ever grace the WW division, now, not so much. Koscheck is in pure wrestling credentials, GSP (easily) in MMA grappling ability. And there’s a big, big difference between the two. GSP will take Alves down at any point after the first round. If you think Alves’ takedown defense is better than BJ’s, Hughes’, Fitch’s and Koscheck’s – then you’re wrong, baby. GSP by decision or 4th/5th round TKO. And Jackson’s game plan isn’t important as it will be what we all expect; 1st round shoot, shoot and shoot some more. 2nd stand a little, change levels, shoot when you feel like. And repeat. A la Fitch, a la Penn.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79634 Rich S. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:05:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79634 If GSP stands, he's in trouble.. I know he has worldclass striking, but Alves is very fast, and very powerful.. If he didn't break him down with punches, he surely would with the leg kicks.. GSP knows to get this to the ground though.. And he'll try to very early.. I suppose we'll see if Alves can stop the takedowns.. He's shocked me a few times before soooo.. "If high level wrestlers like Koscheck and Fitch couldn’t stop GSP’s takedowns, Alves won’t be able to either." Don't forget, Alves has stopped takedowns from the likes of Koscheck and Matt Hughes, possibly the best wrestler to ever grace the WW division.. If GSP stands, he’s in trouble.. I know he has worldclass striking, but Alves is very fast, and very powerful.. If he didn’t break him down with punches, he surely would with the leg kicks..

GSP knows to get this to the ground though.. And he’ll try to very early..

I suppose we’ll see if Alves can stop the takedowns.. He’s shocked me a few times before soooo..

“If high level wrestlers like Koscheck and Fitch couldn’t stop GSP’s takedowns, Alves won’t be able to either.”

Don’t forget, Alves has stopped takedowns from the likes of Koscheck and Matt Hughes, possibly the best wrestler to ever grace the WW division..

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]]> By: redness http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79567 redness Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:11:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79567 I am totaly amped for this fight, I think its the best on the card. If GSP stands which he wont I think Alves wins. I am wondering what game plan greg jackson has for this one. Cant wait for ITS TIME............. I am totaly amped for this fight, I think its the best on the card. If GSP stands which he wont I think Alves wins. I am wondering what game plan greg jackson has for this one. Cant wait for ITS TIME………….

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79443 edub Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:10:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79443 Alves is huge at ww, but wo was Fitch. I see this fight goin somewhat like the Serra fight. GSP by dominating performance Kinda hope im wrong... I wanna see a great fight. Alves is huge at ww, but wo was Fitch. I see this fight goin somewhat like the Serra fight.

GSP by dominating performance

Kinda hope im wrong… I wanna see a great fight.

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]]> By: Bad Monkey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79441 Bad Monkey Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:52:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79441 If high level wrestlers like Koscheck and Fitch couldn't stop GSP's takedowns, Alves won't be able to either. As long he can avoid taking a big shot on the feet, St. Pierre wins this one going away. If high level wrestlers like Koscheck and Fitch couldn’t stop GSP’s takedowns, Alves won’t be able to either. As long he can avoid taking a big shot on the feet, St. Pierre wins this one going away.

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]]> By: PlagueAngel http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/03/gsp-on-thiago-alves-i-can-stand-with-him/comment-page-1/#comment-79417 PlagueAngel Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:05:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15290#comment-79417 He is going to stick and move and try catch Alves unbalanced with takedowns. I'm not sure if that is going to work, but he has to go to the ground and pick him apart. Maybe look for a submission or TKO. I'm curious to see if Alves can stop GSP's takedowns. Its going to be an interesting fight with planning like Generals. It could come down to the simplest mistake on this one. He is going to stick and move and try catch Alves unbalanced with takedowns. I’m not sure if that is going to work, but he has to go to the ground and pick him apart. Maybe look for a submission or TKO. I’m curious to see if Alves can stop GSP’s takedowns. Its going to be an interesting fight with planning like Generals. It could come down to the simplest mistake on this one.

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