Comments on: Frank Mir on Lesnar: ‘I don’t think he’s physically capable of going 5 rounds’ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:36:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: DansMuayThaiMMA http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-82247 DansMuayThaiMMA Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:19:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-82247 It sounds like Mir has a great game plan. Let's see what happens on Saturday. My bet is that Mir will try to work his movement and distance and protect against takedowns for the first 3 rounds, and then try to be more aggressive in the last 2, if he makes it that far. He's going to look for Brock to get frustrated and make mistakes. It sounds like Mir has a great game plan. Let’s see what happens on Saturday. My bet is that Mir will try to work his movement and distance and protect against takedowns for the first 3 rounds, and then try to be more aggressive in the last 2, if he makes it that far. He’s going to look for Brock to get frustrated and make mistakes.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-82227 neijia Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:21:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-82227 Lesnar is the pure specimen but in every interview he also comes across as genuinely humble and always sincerely learning every aspect of the sport. Mir seems to have both better boxing and jiu jitsu but that observation reminds me of what everyone said about BJ Penn facing GSP, who followed the same gameplan of takedown/gnp. Mir's striking and footwork looks much crisper than BJ's so I really hope he does better this time. He is very familiar with Lesnar's takedown/gnp abilities and is smartly assuming an improved Lesnar in every other aspect so at least he knows better than anyone else what he's up against. Lesnar is the pure specimen but in every interview he also comes across as genuinely humble and always sincerely learning every aspect of the sport. Mir seems to have both better boxing and jiu jitsu but that observation reminds me of what everyone said about BJ Penn facing GSP, who followed the same gameplan of takedown/gnp. Mir’s striking and footwork looks much crisper than BJ’s so I really hope he does better this time. He is very familiar with Lesnar’s takedown/gnp abilities and is smartly assuming an improved Lesnar in every other aspect so at least he knows better than anyone else what he’s up against.

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]]> By: dpk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-82102 dpk Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:58:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-82102 If someone gasses in this match, I see it being Mir. I really don't see this going past 3 rounds, it will either be a G&P TKO for Lesnar, or a Sub for Mir. I keep going back and forth over how I see this ending, I can't wait to see this fight. If someone gasses in this match, I see it being Mir. I really don’t see this going past 3 rounds, it will either be a G&P TKO for Lesnar, or a Sub for Mir. I keep going back and forth over how I see this ending, I can’t wait to see this fight.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81864 mu_shin Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:15:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81864 Anyone who watched the promotional documentary piece the UFC produced previous to the Lesnar/Herring fight might question Mir's contentions about Brock's cardio. Lesnar submits himself to the direction of a group of trainers who push him relentlessly in disciplines designed to enhance his endurance, build his explosive strength, and train his prodigious physique in the sport specific demands made by the disparate elements of mixed martial arts. His regimen impressed me as cutting edge and old school at the same time, touching on hard core wrestling, boxing/stand up striking, weight lifting, pure cardiovascular training like running and exercise biking, and submission work and take down defense within the context of round robin sparring against rotating fresh partners. No denying such a huge muscular guy requires a vast metabolic capacity to process oxygen in service to his fighting effort, but as far as I can see, no one works harder at it than Brock Lesnar. I see this match as more than just a meeting of two opponents; for me, it's an illustration of clashing philosophies within the development of modern MMA, and more specifically, within the heavyweight division. Mir represents a similar ideal in my mind to the tenets espoused by Lyoto Machida, even though Mir is not as strongly associated with classical martial arts. Mir is the fighter as thinking man, working within a technical framework to express the potential of Brazilian ju-jutsu, which allowed him in his first encounter with Lesnar to overcome obvious physical disadvantages and find victory. Lesnar is the pure athlete, the physical specimen, naturally gifted with power, speed, size, and reflexes, commited to relentless training based in his wrestling orientation. Mir has experience, Lesnar limitless potential. Mir expemplifies the BJJ ideal of overcoming size and strength through technique and patient discipline, while Brock overwhelms his opponents with the physics of the bull rush, crushing physical power, and the advantages inherent in superior size and strength. As a fan, I favor the Mir side of the equation, and seriously hope Frank will emerge victorious. As an observer of the sport, and witnessing the rise of Shane Carwin, maybe an emerging Bobby Lashley, and without doubt potentially the most dominant heavyweight athlete to enter the fray in MMA in Brock Lesnar, we're seeing a shift in the paradigm, which I'm also prepared to appreciate, and to applaud. Hope this fight plays out in amazing fashion, and gives us all more to write and conjecture about... Anyone who watched the promotional documentary piece the UFC produced previous to the Lesnar/Herring fight might question Mir’s contentions about Brock’s cardio.

Lesnar submits himself to the direction of a group of trainers who push him relentlessly in disciplines designed to enhance his endurance, build his explosive strength, and train his prodigious physique in the sport specific demands made by the disparate elements of mixed martial arts. His regimen impressed me as cutting edge and old school at the same time, touching on hard core wrestling, boxing/stand up striking, weight lifting, pure cardiovascular training like running and exercise biking, and submission work and take down defense within the context of round robin sparring against rotating fresh partners. No denying such a huge muscular guy requires a vast metabolic capacity to process oxygen in service to his fighting effort, but as far as I can see, no one works harder at it than Brock Lesnar.

I see this match as more than just a meeting of two opponents; for me, it’s an illustration of clashing philosophies within the development of modern MMA, and more specifically, within the heavyweight division. Mir represents a similar ideal in my mind to the tenets espoused by Lyoto Machida, even though Mir is not as strongly associated with classical martial arts.

Mir is the fighter as thinking man, working within a technical framework to express the potential of Brazilian ju-jutsu, which allowed him in his first encounter with Lesnar to overcome obvious physical disadvantages and find victory.

Lesnar is the pure athlete, the physical specimen, naturally gifted with power, speed, size, and reflexes, commited to relentless training based in his wrestling orientation. Mir has experience, Lesnar limitless potential. Mir expemplifies the BJJ ideal of overcoming size and strength through technique and patient discipline, while Brock overwhelms his opponents with the physics of the bull rush, crushing physical power, and the advantages inherent in superior size and strength.

As a fan, I favor the Mir side of the equation, and seriously hope Frank will emerge victorious. As an observer of the sport, and witnessing the rise of Shane Carwin, maybe an emerging Bobby Lashley, and without doubt potentially the most dominant heavyweight athlete to enter the fray in MMA in Brock Lesnar, we’re seeing a shift in the paradigm, which I’m also prepared to appreciate, and to applaud. Hope this fight plays out in amazing fashion, and gives us all more to write and conjecture about…

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]]> By: redness http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81830 redness Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:25:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81830 I think Mir is one of the most intelligent fighters in the game right now. He really looked good in his fight with big Nog and had a great game plan. When all doubt him he usally wins, Aside from those bad preformances right after he got back from the injury. Its also a shame that he was protayed like such a dick on TUF. I still think he wins with a sub before the end of the fourth. I think Mir is one of the most intelligent fighters in the game right now. He really looked good in his fight with big Nog and had a great game plan. When all doubt him he usally wins, Aside from those bad preformances right after he got back from the injury. Its also a shame that he was protayed like such a dick on TUF. I still think he wins with a sub before the end of the fourth.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81818 neijia Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:08:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81818 have to agree with Angry Mike. Mir's stick and move looks great though no way Lesnar is getting knocked down easily several times like Nog did. Mir's analysis is right on. Footwork is pretty much everything for him. If he can do that for 5 rounds, maybe he can win. Otherwise, Lesnar by TKO/KO early on: even Mir says Lesnar's best plan is bumrushing early, not playing it conservatively. Of course he also has a gameplan for that possibility which is still footwork based. Take a lesson from Machida. Mir is still the fighter with the best chance of beating him now compared to others except for maybe Carwin. Randy did not have the constant head movement and footwork Mir talks about needing. He was essentially a smaller wrestler-type. Still, it's a tough uphill battle against such a freak, even with great technical striking. 60-40 Lesnar-Mir. have to agree with Angry Mike. Mir’s stick and move looks great though no way Lesnar is getting knocked down easily several times like Nog did. Mir’s analysis is right on. Footwork is pretty much everything for him. If he can do that for 5 rounds, maybe he can win. Otherwise, Lesnar by TKO/KO early on: even Mir says Lesnar’s best plan is bumrushing early, not playing it conservatively. Of course he also has a gameplan for that possibility which is still footwork based. Take a lesson from Machida. Mir is still the fighter with the best chance of beating him now compared to others except for maybe Carwin. Randy did not have the constant head movement and footwork Mir talks about needing. He was essentially a smaller wrestler-type. Still, it’s a tough uphill battle against such a freak, even with great technical striking. 60-40 Lesnar-Mir.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81440 edub Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:49:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81440 Haha Mac I dug the article. I got Lesnar in this one tough. Haha Mac I dug the article.

I got Lesnar in this one tough.

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]]> By: tron7 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81280 tron7 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:48:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81280 Surly, you jest. Surly, you jest.

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]]> By: mac wilson http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81279 mac wilson Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:07:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81279 It's an article about a fight that is coming up on the next UFC card. This article is purly for the purposes of translating statements made by Mir leading up to the fight. I don't know where the shakespearian style is supposed to come in. It’s an article about a fight that is coming up on the next UFC card. This article is purly for the purposes of translating statements made by Mir leading up to the fight.

I don’t know where the shakespearian style is supposed to come in.

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/04/frank-mir-on-lesnar-i-don%e2%80%99t-think-he%e2%80%99s-physically-capable-of-going-5-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-81278 Angry Mike Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:05:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15299#comment-81278 Frank's analysis is dead on. He has to keep moving to avoid the takedowns. His stand up against 'Nog was impressive, but 'Nog doesn't have the same skill set as Lesnar--world class wrestling, massive size, and ridiculous speed on the takedowns. Mir has great submissions, but to use them he has to play to Lesnar's wrestling strength by fighting on the ground, and no way does Frank want to be there. So Frank needs to stick and move and hope that Lesnar slows down in later rounds, making him vulnerable to a strike or maybe too tired to fight off a submission from top position. Since nobody has come close to taking Lesnar into round 3, I have to give the edge to Lesnar. Frank’s analysis is dead on. He has to keep moving to avoid the takedowns. His stand up against ‘Nog was impressive, but ‘Nog doesn’t have the same skill set as Lesnar–world class wrestling, massive size, and ridiculous speed on the takedowns. Mir has great submissions, but to use them he has to play to Lesnar’s wrestling strength by fighting on the ground, and no way does Frank want to be there. So Frank needs to stick and move and hope that Lesnar slows down in later rounds, making him vulnerable to a strike or maybe too tired to fight off a submission from top position. Since nobody has come close to taking Lesnar into round 3, I have to give the edge to Lesnar.

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