Comments on: Is the UFC Enough for Mixed Martial Arts? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:58:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Patrickk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-89518 Patrickk Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:05:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-89518 I completely agree. A man should be a man, and a child should stay in a child's place. Let the UFC be the big boss man, and make your money with the little guys in MMA and stop focusing on trying to stop the UFC. Let the UFC monopolize the top-tier markets so it will open up some big bucks for these guys. So when the little guys make it to the UFC they will be making $50,000 per fight regardless if they are on the undercard or the main event. It just makes sense. And the little guys aren't really little, I just used them like that to describe how much bigger the UFC is talent-rich wise, connections-wise, how big of an organization it is, and how much pull it has in the mainstream industry. I completely agree. A man should be a man, and a child should stay in a child’s place. Let the UFC be the big boss man, and make your money with the little guys in MMA and stop focusing on trying to stop the UFC. Let the UFC monopolize the top-tier markets so it will open up some big bucks for these guys. So when the little guys make it to the UFC they will be making $50,000 per fight regardless if they are on the undercard or the main event.

It just makes sense.

And the little guys aren’t really little, I just used them like that to describe how much bigger the UFC is talent-rich wise, connections-wise, how big of an organization it is, and how much pull it has in the mainstream industry.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82465 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:25:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82465 I just want to say how come when everyone talks about boxing they bring up the worst aspects? "25 weight divisions" "Don King, Bob Arum" etc. It is a simple, flawed creature looking for fake controversy to feel important. Do not standardize MMA under the UFC!!!! Unless they use rings AND cages, have a ranking system (no Lesnar and Randy going for titles because they are popular, you have to earn it), allow knees on the ground, do not let the fight stall on the ground, get rid of Don White...I mean Dana King, stop elbows on the ground (it's all about cuts), stop loading cards with (shitty) TUF fighters and have 205+,185-205,165-185,145-165 and 0-145. I just want to say how come when everyone talks about boxing they bring up the worst aspects? “25 weight divisions” “Don King, Bob Arum” etc. It is a simple, flawed creature looking for fake controversy to feel important.
Do not standardize MMA under the UFC!!!!
Unless they use rings AND cages, have a ranking system (no Lesnar and Randy going for titles because they are popular, you have to earn it), allow knees on the ground, do not let the fight stall on the ground, get rid of Don White…I mean Dana King, stop elbows on the ground (it’s all about cuts), stop loading cards with (shitty) TUF fighters and have 205+,185-205,165-185,145-165 and 0-145.

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]]> By: stevefiji http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82429 stevefiji Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:38:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82429 You're kidding me? Is Sam still involved here? Finally.... this site presents a voice with an actual clue. Affliction worst of all, but all these major promotions that have gone head-to-head with the UFC, and the support they are given here is generally inane. One set of belts, one true champion of the world, survival of the fittest... as easy a concept to understand, defend and promote as there could ever exist. All the anti-UFCer's who call me a Dana nuthugger, I call them simple, flawed creatures looking for fake controversy to feel important. I want the best to fight the best. In the long run, the fighters will get all the compensation and benefits due to them, just like the NFL, the PGA, the ATP and with every other major spots organization. It just takes time, and the UFC is still a relative baby in terms of size and years. Talk to 1960's football players or even early 1970's baseball players, they got hardly anything... it will come and if we get to see the very best in the world square off 'mano-a-mano' then it will come even faster. The UFC is worth about a billion, maybe more with a speculation cherry added on top to the existing cash flow. How many single clubs in baseball, football, soccer, etc are nearly worth that or more? How much are those individual leagues in their entirety worth? People need to relax about the all the growing pains... 80%+ of the best fighters in the world fight in one organization. Someday soon it will be 95%. Once Fedor retires, the other organizations ALL lose credibility for they have no real claim except as a place for castoffs, losers, upstarts and the occasional rebel. No Don King, Bob Arum... No 10 world title organizations and 25 weight divisions. Too many silly bastards out there just don't know how good they've got it. You’re kidding me? Is Sam still involved here? Finally…. this site presents a voice with an actual clue. Affliction worst of all, but all these major promotions that have gone head-to-head with the UFC, and the support they are given here is generally inane. One set of belts, one true champion of the world, survival of the fittest… as easy a concept to understand, defend and promote as there could ever exist. All the anti-UFCer’s who call me a Dana nuthugger, I call them simple, flawed creatures looking for fake controversy to feel important.

I want the best to fight the best. In the long run, the fighters will get all the compensation and benefits due to them, just like the NFL, the PGA, the ATP and with every other major spots organization. It just takes time, and the UFC is still a relative baby in terms of size and years. Talk to 1960’s football players or even early 1970’s baseball players, they got hardly anything… it will come and if we get to see the very best in the world square off ‘mano-a-mano’ then it will come even faster.

The UFC is worth about a billion, maybe more with a speculation cherry added on top to the existing cash flow. How many single clubs in baseball, football, soccer, etc are nearly worth that or more? How much are those individual leagues in their entirety worth? People need to relax about the all the growing pains… 80%+ of the best fighters in the world fight in one organization. Someday soon it will be 95%. Once Fedor retires, the other organizations ALL lose credibility for they have no real claim except as a place for castoffs, losers, upstarts and the occasional rebel. No Don King, Bob Arum… No 10 world title organizations and 25 weight divisions. Too many silly bastards out there just don’t know how good they’ve got it.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82424 MMA-LOGIC Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82424 First I would like to say Angry the UFC and the cage skews the fights way, way to wrestling (Koscheck, Couture, Hamill, Carwin, Henderson, Valasquez, Hughes, Sherk, Ortiz etc to name a few) the transition from a guy who has never done a martial art and only ever wrestled to being a UFC fighter or even champ is about 1 year by the Randy and Lesnar scale and that should not be. The ring evens it out so not every fight that involves a wrestler is dictated by where the wrestler wants to be (standing or on the ground). Personally I wouldn't award points for a takedown unless it did damage ie a good slam or throw. MMA is not wrestling it is a fight and you should not win a fight based on your ability to control a guy without attempting to finish, and when I say finish I don't mean putting your head in a guys chest and delivering little elbows hoping that you will open a cut because it is the only chance you have of finishing an opponent other than just wearing him out. MMA should be an even battle between all and according to what I see in the UFC it isn't, it is very wrestle heavy. Now to this article No way in hell do I want Dana White and co to be dictating what happens in all of MMA. And since when have the worlds best boxers not been able to face each other?. If the UFC let Lesnar fight Fedor it would happen...it is the UFC that stops it! remember Randy trying?. You say should the others step back...they just started stepping forward! I am all for multiple orgs as long as they cross promote, just like most other orgs seem to be doing. The UFC is the odd one out!. I like the ring, I like knees on the ground, I don't like elbows causing cuts to end a fight, I like the idea that you can't USE the CAGE to win a fight all the time, so to be honest I would prefer if the UFC stepped back and let others take all the best fighters. Maybe then we wouldn't have Dana and the UFC preventing fights from taking place. First I would like to say Angry the UFC and the cage skews the fights way, way to wrestling (Koscheck, Couture, Hamill, Carwin, Henderson, Valasquez, Hughes, Sherk, Ortiz etc to name a few) the transition from a guy who has never done a martial art and only ever wrestled to being a UFC fighter or even champ is about 1 year by the Randy and Lesnar scale and that should not be. The ring evens it out so not every fight that involves a wrestler is dictated by where the wrestler wants to be (standing or on the ground). Personally I wouldn’t award points for a takedown unless it did damage ie a good slam or throw. MMA is not wrestling it is a fight and you should not win a fight based on your ability to control a guy without attempting to finish, and when I say finish I don’t mean putting your head in a guys chest and delivering little elbows hoping that you will open a cut because it is the only chance you have of finishing an opponent other than just wearing him out. MMA should be an even battle between all and according to what I see in the UFC it isn’t, it is very wrestle heavy.

Now to this article No way in hell do I want Dana White and co to be dictating what happens in all of MMA.
And since when have the worlds best boxers not been able to face each other?. If the UFC let Lesnar fight Fedor it would happen…it is the UFC that stops it! remember Randy trying?.
You say should the others step back…they just started stepping forward! I am all for multiple orgs as long as they cross promote, just like most other orgs seem to be doing. The UFC is the odd one out!.
I like the ring, I like knees on the ground, I don’t like elbows causing cuts to end a fight, I like the idea that you can’t USE the CAGE to win a fight all the time, so to be honest I would prefer if the UFC stepped back and let others take all the best fighters. Maybe then we wouldn’t have Dana and the UFC preventing fights from taking place.

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]]> By: Hitman Hartnell http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82422 Hitman Hartnell Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:28:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82422 Any wrestling fans remember when WCW was bought by Vince McMahon? Any and all creativity just died. The competition between the two companies on monday nights was pretty intense and the fans were the ones to benefit, not to mention the wrestlers themselves. If the UFC were the only promotion, I can only see that benefiting White and the Fertittas. All the banned clothing companies would be pretty much screwed and even the ones that arent banned would still take a hit. Any wrestling fans remember when WCW was bought by Vince McMahon? Any and all creativity just died. The competition between the two companies on monday nights was pretty intense and the fans were the ones to benefit, not to mention the wrestlers themselves. If the UFC were the only promotion, I can only see that benefiting White and the Fertittas. All the banned clothing companies would be pretty much screwed and even the ones that arent banned would still take a hit.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82419 metalmulisha Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:16:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82419 Is the UFC enough for mixed martial arts? Obviously a rhetorical question because any sane MMA fan would and should say NO! Is the UFC enough for mixed martial arts?
Obviously a rhetorical question because any sane MMA fan would and should say NO!

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82409 Angry Mike Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:22:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82409 @Guy Yeah, I'm getting a bit old to be really angry. More like cranky or irritable. Neither sounded as good to me as Angry, though Personally, I don't care for the ring. There's different schools of thought, I guess, but I really dislike the stand-ups or restarts when fighters on the ground get tangled up in the ropes, especially when the cagey fighters intentionally tangle up just to get a re-start. Also, the ring skews the action toward stand up and away from grappling and wrestling and gnp. It appears to me that take-downs are easier once you've backed your opponent against the cage. I enjoy the stand up wars, but the other styles and techniques keep the "mix" in mixed martial arts. @Guy

Yeah, I’m getting a bit old to be really angry. More like cranky or irritable. Neither sounded as good to me as Angry, though

Personally, I don’t care for the ring. There’s different schools of thought, I guess, but I really dislike the stand-ups or restarts when fighters on the ground get tangled up in the ropes, especially when the cagey fighters intentionally tangle up just to get a re-start. Also, the ring skews the action toward stand up and away from grappling and wrestling and gnp. It appears to me that take-downs are easier once you’ve backed your opponent against the cage. I enjoy the stand up wars, but the other styles and techniques keep the “mix” in mixed martial arts.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82407 edub Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:12:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82407 Damn good post Madiq. I guess it comes down to whether sport keeps evolving, and bringing in more money. Damn good post Madiq.

I guess it comes down to whether sport keeps evolving, and bringing in more money.

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]]> By: madiq http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82406 madiq Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:09:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82406 But being "like a minor league" is not the same as BEING a minor league. Every organization is entitled to make money, appeal to its niche, and attempt present the best product it can. Nobody is trying to get the UFC to go out of business, but there's a difference between wanting the UFC to prosper as the location where the best fighters fight, and wanting them to ACQUIRE the top talent, exercise full control over these athletes, and prevent other companies from surviving and thriving. People say that they're fans of football, of basketball, of baseball, of tennis, of golf, and other sports, not NFL, NBA, MLB (the term didn't even exist until the 90's), ATP, PGA, or any other initialism for the sport's dominant organization. The sport of Mixed Martial Arts can have its "UFC," just like the sport of professional football has the NFL, but the reasons those sports are where they are is BECAUSE of competition, not in spite of it. The NFL merged with the old AFL, the NBA merged with the ABA, the NL and AL agreed to have its teams face off at the end of the season. Why then, are people opposed to the idea that the UFC, if it is to end up being the Worldwide Standard for MMA, will need to continue evolving, while it meets the challenges that competing organizations have to offer? The sport of boxing might benefit from a UFC-type organization, or it might not. On one hand, it would be a simpler way to sell the sport to fans. On the other hand, the natural consequence would be that boxers themselves would lose unless they organized. This is because once the brand is bigger than the boxer, the brand can demand a larger share of revenue. A system like that makes it hard for another Muhammed Ali to present himself; it's more likely that its next big star would be a LeBron James type, a slick, corporate-backed, athletic pitchman whose athletic talents are exceeded only by the zeal with which the organization and its partners push him down our throats. Would that be a good thing? Who can say? But being “like a minor league” is not the same as BEING a minor league. Every organization is entitled to make money, appeal to its niche, and attempt present the best product it can. Nobody is trying to get the UFC to go out of business, but there’s a difference between wanting the UFC to prosper as the location where the best fighters fight, and wanting them to ACQUIRE the top talent, exercise full control over these athletes, and prevent other companies from surviving and thriving.

People say that they’re fans of football, of basketball, of baseball, of tennis, of golf, and other sports, not NFL, NBA, MLB (the term didn’t even exist until the 90’s), ATP, PGA, or any other initialism for the sport’s dominant organization. The sport of Mixed Martial Arts can have its “UFC,” just like the sport of professional football has the NFL, but the reasons those sports are where they are is BECAUSE of competition, not in spite of it. The NFL merged with the old AFL, the NBA merged with the ABA, the NL and AL agreed to have its teams face off at the end of the season. Why then, are people opposed to the idea that the UFC, if it is to end up being the Worldwide Standard for MMA, will need to continue evolving, while it meets the challenges that competing organizations have to offer?

The sport of boxing might benefit from a UFC-type organization, or it might not. On one hand, it would be a simpler way to sell the sport to fans. On the other hand, the natural consequence would be that boxers themselves would lose unless they organized. This is because once the brand is bigger than the boxer, the brand can demand a larger share of revenue. A system like that makes it hard for another Muhammed Ali to present himself; it’s more likely that its next big star would be a LeBron James type, a slick, corporate-backed, athletic pitchman whose athletic talents are exceeded only by the zeal with which the organization and its partners push him down our throats. Would that be a good thing? Who can say?

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]]> By: drdsanders http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/09/is-the-ufc-enough-for-mixed-martial-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-82401 drdsanders Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:12:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15376#comment-82401 Most of the pro organizations mentioned have players unions. The sport of golf has many successful organizations. Is the Masters even a PGA event? Most of the pro organizations mentioned have players unions. The sport of golf has many successful organizations. Is the Masters even a PGA event?

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