Comments on: Vadim Finkelchtein: ‘We want to talk to the UFC about having Fedor compete’ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 00:17:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: tkvan6 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-99952 tkvan6 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:08:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-99952 He didn't even do it for Cro Cop? Wow, you all must obviously not know who Fedor is. Everyone loves it when a person from another affiliation, for instance pride, and the UFC fighter kicks their ass. I also am a fan of this. That is not going to happen with Fedor. He will dominate anyone in the UFC. Including Lesnar! Also, White had something to do with what the UFC has become today. When did you start watching the program. White receives entirely to much credit for the work he does. He didn’t even do it for Cro Cop? Wow, you all must obviously not know who Fedor is. Everyone loves it when a person from another affiliation, for instance pride, and the UFC fighter kicks their ass. I also am a fan of this. That is not going to happen with Fedor. He will dominate anyone in the UFC. Including Lesnar! Also, White had something to do with what the UFC has become today. When did you start watching the program. White receives entirely to much credit for the work he does.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-97368 fanoftna33 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:27:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-97368 The ufc is exapanding so much right now that I would love to see a series of friday night fights, like boxing where they can bring up new stars. We would be able to see these guys develop before being thrown if with the top guys. Just Imagine if they gave Brock 6 or 7 fights brfore he got to the ufc, or what Bobby lashly will look like with 4 or 5 more tough fights. Except we could see these guys weekly. The ufc is exapanding so much right now that I would love to see a series of friday night fights, like boxing where they can bring up new stars. We would be able to see these guys develop before being thrown if with the top guys. Just Imagine if they gave Brock 6 or 7 fights brfore he got to the ufc, or what Bobby lashly will look like with 4 or 5 more tough fights. Except we could see these guys weekly.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-97348 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:21:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-97348 I agree about the UFC being a business, but they are a 2 billion dollar corporation. Sooner or later they are going to have to focus on what the fans want b/c eventually, there will be nowhere else for them to go / grow. I agree about the UFC being a business, but they are a 2 billion dollar corporation. Sooner or later they are going to have to focus on what the fans want b/c eventually, there will be nowhere else for them to go / grow.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-97319 fanoftna33 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:09:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-97319 Make him a bigger star. It would only take 1 fight in the ufc for that. Make him a bigger star. It would only take 1 fight in the ufc for that.

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]]> By: notdanawhite http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-97303 notdanawhite Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:02:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-97303 same ol stuff...fedor is not known to mainstream fans. the UFC really doesn't need Fedor. and that stuff about "the best fighting the best" is bullshit. ufc is a business, it's that simple. but it would be sweet if they could arrange a reasonable multi fight contract so the UFC marketing machine could do their thing and make him a star. same ol stuff…fedor is not known to mainstream fans. the UFC really doesn’t need Fedor. and that stuff about “the best fighting the best” is bullshit. ufc is a business, it’s that simple.

but it would be sweet if they could arrange a reasonable multi fight contract so the UFC marketing machine could do their thing and make him a star.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-96188 fanoftna33 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:37:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-96188 They would not do that ever. Even Fedor is not worth a long term deal, but 1 fight, maybe. They would not do that ever. Even Fedor is not worth a long term deal, but 1 fight, maybe.

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-96172 Angry Mike Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:27:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-96172 Zuffa would have to be crazy to get into a long term business deal with M-1. Can you imagine the heartburn Finkelchtein would cause White and the Fertitas? VD looks good by comparison. Zuffa would have to be crazy to get into a long term business deal with M-1. Can you imagine the heartburn Finkelchtein would cause White and the Fertitas? VD looks good by comparison.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-96145 fanoftna33 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:18:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-96145 Cross promotion has always bee a fans dream, but it has worked, although for two very recently dead companies. I think its just that as fans we always will wish for these types of fights. Just 1 supercard a year. Cross promotion has always bee a fans dream, but it has worked, although for two very recently dead companies. I think its just that as fans we always will wish for these types of fights. Just 1 supercard a year.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-96113 ozz_the_powerful Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:30:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-96113 WOW!! This Thread got insane while I was staring at the back of my eyelids! DPK, MU_SHIN, Great posts. Completely agree with mu_shin about why the hell would they HAVE to cross promote? The UFC will NOT be anyones crutch!! Jak has a good point about Fedor and a one fight deal. The only problem is you have a 30-1 Heavyweight title holder that needs to fight for a title. You couldn't just bring him in to fight Randy, even though that's the fight I want to see. Hate me for saying this, but Brock would STEAMROLL Fedor. Let the Hate Bombs ensue-- cocoonofhorror, I am with you. Sick of hearing about F'ing Fedor. It's not him that's the problem though, it's his management. I have to remind myself that. MMA-LOGIC, I have to admit I was a bit taken back by your post. I just don't see the "LOGIC" (no pun intended) in the UFC being anyones CRUTCH for revenue. If those fighters want to be recognized, if they want the cash and the sponsorships, the name recognition, if they want to be part of an organization that isn't going anywhere if they lose a fighter due to a drug test, then they need to fight in the UFC. Bottom line. Yeah, we as fans want to asee those fights you mentioned. Hell,I DO. But it's nothing more than a pipe-dream at this point. WOW!! This Thread got insane while I was staring at the back of my eyelids!

DPK, MU_SHIN, Great posts. Completely agree with mu_shin about why the hell would they HAVE to cross promote?

The UFC will NOT be anyones crutch!!

Jak has a good point about Fedor and a one fight deal. The only problem is you have a 30-1 Heavyweight title holder that needs to fight for a title. You couldn’t just bring him in to fight Randy, even though that’s the fight I want to see.

Hate me for saying this, but Brock would STEAMROLL Fedor. Let the Hate Bombs ensue–

cocoonofhorror, I am with you. Sick of hearing about F’ing Fedor. It’s not him that’s the problem though, it’s his management. I have to remind myself that.

MMA-LOGIC, I have to admit I was a bit taken back by your post. I just don’t see the “LOGIC” (no pun intended) in the UFC being anyones CRUTCH for revenue. If those fighters want to be recognized, if they want the cash and the sponsorships, the name recognition, if they want to be part of an organization that isn’t going anywhere if they lose a fighter due to a drug test, then they need to fight in the UFC. Bottom line.

Yeah, we as fans want to asee those fights you mentioned. Hell,I DO. But it’s nothing more than a pipe-dream at this point.

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]]> By: dpk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95939 dpk Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:31:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95939 mu_shin: exactly, UFC has no reason at all to cross promote. The only weight class out there that they don't have the number 1 fighter is HW, and even in that case they have the best HW division of any organization out there. UFC has offered Fedor $1.5 mil a fight, with the standard contract that every other fighter in UFC signs, if that ain't good enough, then go fight Zulu again over in Japan, I won't be watching. Strikeforce isn't going to give Fedor this kind of money, because Coker knows that Fedor isn't a big time draw, and he doesn't do stupid business deals. mu_shin: exactly, UFC has no reason at all to cross promote. The only weight class out there that they don’t have the number 1 fighter is HW, and even in that case they have the best HW division of any organization out there. UFC has offered Fedor $1.5 mil a fight, with the standard contract that every other fighter in UFC signs, if that ain’t good enough, then go fight Zulu again over in Japan, I won’t be watching. Strikeforce isn’t going to give Fedor this kind of money, because Coker knows that Fedor isn’t a big time draw, and he doesn’t do stupid business deals.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95922 mu_shin Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:07:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95922 Wake up a smell the dollars folks. No surprise to anyone, but the object of any business, such as Zuffa, is to return a profit to it's investors. In case anyone missed it, figures released earlier this week reported PPV sales of UFC 100 topped 1.5 million. Elementary math: $60 million dollars from one event qualifies as success. Sixty million without Fedor and Finkelchtein, without co-promoting with M1-Global, and without being dictated to by a bunch of Russian mob guys as to how a successful promotion should be run. Any of you guys see any photos of Fedor's brother Alexander any time recently? Ever watch any of those documentaries detailing the jail tattoos favored by Russian mob guys? Ever think what it might be that these Russian "business advisors" hold over Fedor's head to keep him in line? Maybe I've watched too many movies... I'm a fan just like all the posters here, and want to see Lesnar/Emelianenko because I enjoy MMA and think it would be a great fight. Until Fedor takes personal responsibility for his career moves, pushes past the influence of Vadim Finkelchtein and speaks for himself, we'll never see it. I recently saw Fedor in a video interview say he'd like to fight Brock, but in the next breath he said he would not negotiate with the UFC. That was before the current Barnett/Affliction fiasco, but until Fedor steps up and says he cares about fighting the best and giving the fans what he knows they want to see, all we'll see and hear is more excuses and blathering from mouth pieces like Mr. Finkelchtein. Wake up a smell the dollars folks. No surprise to anyone, but the object of any business, such as Zuffa, is to return a profit to it’s investors. In case anyone missed it, figures released earlier this week reported PPV sales of UFC 100 topped 1.5 million. Elementary math: $60 million dollars from one event qualifies as success.

Sixty million without Fedor and Finkelchtein, without co-promoting with M1-Global, and without being dictated to by a bunch of Russian mob guys as to how a successful promotion should be run. Any of you guys see any photos of Fedor’s brother Alexander any time recently? Ever watch any of those documentaries detailing the jail tattoos favored by Russian mob guys? Ever think what it might be that these Russian “business advisors” hold over Fedor’s head to keep him in line? Maybe I’ve watched too many movies…

I’m a fan just like all the posters here, and want to see Lesnar/Emelianenko because I enjoy MMA and think it would be a great fight. Until Fedor takes personal responsibility for his career moves, pushes past the influence of Vadim Finkelchtein and speaks for himself, we’ll never see it. I recently saw Fedor in a video interview say he’d like to fight Brock, but in the next breath he said he would not negotiate with the UFC. That was before the current Barnett/Affliction fiasco, but until Fedor steps up and says he cares about fighting the best and giving the fans what he knows they want to see, all we’ll see and hear is more excuses and blathering from mouth pieces like Mr. Finkelchtein.

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]]> By: mattman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95694 mattman Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:29:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95694 If there is any contract negotiations Dana should talk about in the media it's the contract negotiations with Fedor's manager Vadim. Dana can win the battle of public opinion if those contract negotiations play out in MMA media landscape. I noticed there is a post by MMA-LOGIC above. Now I could be wrong on this but that doesn't sound like the MMALOGIC I have seen post other places. Anyway that post doesn't make any sense to me. Just saying the UFC must cross promote so we can see all those fights is short sighted. That is simply fantasy land match-up make believe and blaming the UFC because your fantasy match-ups can't come true. If there is any contract negotiations Dana should talk about in the media it’s the contract negotiations with Fedor’s manager Vadim. Dana can win the battle of public opinion if those contract negotiations play out in MMA media landscape.

I noticed there is a post by MMA-LOGIC above. Now I could be wrong on this but that doesn’t sound like the MMALOGIC I have seen post other places. Anyway that post doesn’t make any sense to me. Just saying the UFC must cross promote so we can see all those fights is short sighted. That is simply fantasy land match-up make believe and blaming the UFC because your fantasy match-ups can’t come true.

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]]> By: Patrickk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95584 Patrickk Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:49:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95584 Basically on July 31st when they have the press conference, Dana White is going to say, "We'd like to welcome our newest fighter into the UFC. Fedor Emelianenko ladies and gentlemen!" This IS the perfect opportunity to get Fedor. If they do not get him now, Strikeforce will get him and they will cling onto him and pay him $2 million per fight just to keep him away from the UFC. Dana White, swallow a wee bit of pride and let Fedor have a little bit more freedom on his contract so he can sign. I wanna see Brock get demolished! Basically on July 31st when they have the press conference, Dana White is going to say, “We’d like to welcome our newest fighter into the UFC. Fedor Emelianenko ladies and gentlemen!”

This IS the perfect opportunity to get Fedor. If they do not get him now, Strikeforce will get him and they will cling onto him and pay him $2 million per fight just to keep him away from the UFC.

Dana White, swallow a wee bit of pride and let Fedor have a little bit more freedom on his contract so he can sign.

I wanna see Brock get demolished!

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95535 fanoftna33 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:52:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95535 If another fighter comes in and tears apart a ufc fighter they look bad, the same with other promotions, they dont want to lose there fighters star power. Imagine if gsp gets to fight shields in strikeforce, which i would love to see by the way, and gsp goes down like lawler did. The ufc loses one of there top draws in there eyes. Now we hardcore fans will not care we are just glad to see the fight but to casual fans it might lose them ppv buys. thats what it comes down to . If another fighter comes in and tears apart a ufc fighter they look bad, the same with other promotions, they dont want to lose there fighters star power. Imagine if gsp gets to fight shields in strikeforce, which i would love to see by the way, and gsp goes down like lawler did. The ufc loses one of there top draws in there eyes. Now we hardcore fans will not care we are just glad to see the fight but to casual fans it might lose them ppv buys. thats what it comes down to .

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95534 fanoftna33 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:49:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95534 it all comes down to money. it all comes down to money.

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95532 Jstew3785 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:42:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95532 I wish they would cross-promote, but it will probably never happen. It's like the ultimate pissing match between them. This is definitely one topic we could debate on all night. Everyone has valid points, but unfortunately they don't listen to the fans or it would have already happened. I wish they would cross-promote, but it will probably never happen. It’s like the ultimate pissing match between them. This is definitely one topic we could debate on all night. Everyone has valid points, but unfortunately they don’t listen to the fans or it would have already happened.

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]]> By: Jak http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95528 Jak Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:37:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95528 If they can't get something done for long term or title fight, they should at least do a one fight deal to fight Couture. Money would be made, everybody would save face and no one would really lose. If Fedor/M-1 liked how it went they may sign longer. Probably the biggest risk would be if Couture pulled an upset. Not that i think this idea would work, just throwing it out there that it doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation. CroCop fought a can his first fight, Rampage, yup he did too and those were guys who had resisted the UFC. Couture isn't a can(obviously) but it was giving a highly hyped fighter a good fight to test out the UFC. or not... whatever. :) If they can’t get something done for long term or title fight, they should at least do a one fight deal to fight Couture.

Money would be made, everybody would save face and no one would really lose. If Fedor/M-1 liked how it went they may sign longer. Probably the biggest risk would be if Couture pulled an upset.

Not that i think this idea would work, just throwing it out there that it doesn’t have to be an all or nothing situation. CroCop fought a can his first fight, Rampage, yup he did too and those were guys who had resisted the UFC. Couture isn’t a can(obviously) but it was giving a highly hyped fighter a good fight to test out the UFC.

or not… whatever. :)

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95525 fanoftna33 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:34:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95525 glad to hear someone agree with me, some outstanding points logic. glad to hear someone agree with me, some outstanding points logic.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95521 MMA-LOGIC Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:24:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95521 Ozz wtf! The UFC must cross promote!!!!!!!! saying that they shouldn't is crazy!!!! Here is a few match ups that we are missing out on Fedor vs Lesnar ( or anyone! ) Overeem vs Valasquez Mousassi vs A.Silva Diaz vs GSP Aoki vs Penn JZ vs Florian Thomson vs Sanchez Hansen vs ...? ( sorry run out of good UFC LWs, maybe Edgar?) Misaki vs Henderson (rematch) And Santiago, Rogers, Aleksander, Lindland, Sakurai, Kharitonov, Manouf, Jacre, Werdum, Lawler, Gomi, Miller, Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Babalu, Filho, Arona, Little Nog, Barnett, Diaz and Villasenor amongst many, MANY others. And ozz will it eat Fedor or the fighters that know they never got to face the best (because of restrictive UFC contracts) more, that counts for A. Silva too, the guy has defended his title against guys like Lutter, Laites and Cote when there are guys such as Santiago, Misaki, Lawler, Mousassi, Lindland, Smith, Rua and Belfort out there. BJ Penn may never face JZ, Hansen, Thomson, Aoki, Sakurai or have a rematch with Gomi. Stikeforce, Dream, Affliction, M1 and many others cross promoted! but the UFC is a greedy, money hungry promotion that has destroyed fighters careers and more than a few other organizations to get where they are. So yeah well done as far as making money goes Dana and the UFC but I also know you are just a brand name and the fights and fighters are what I really want to see and the UFC is just standing in the way time after time. No loyalty here! Ozz wtf! The UFC must cross promote!!!!!!!! saying that they shouldn’t is crazy!!!! Here is a few match ups that we are missing out on
Fedor vs Lesnar ( or anyone! )
Overeem vs Valasquez
Mousassi vs A.Silva
Diaz vs GSP
Aoki vs Penn
JZ vs Florian
Thomson vs Sanchez
Hansen vs …? ( sorry run out of good UFC LWs, maybe Edgar?)
Misaki vs Henderson (rematch)
And Santiago, Rogers, Aleksander, Lindland, Sakurai, Kharitonov, Manouf, Jacre, Werdum, Lawler, Gomi, Miller, Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Babalu, Filho, Arona, Little Nog, Barnett, Diaz and Villasenor amongst many, MANY others.

And ozz will it eat Fedor or the fighters that know they never got to face the best (because of restrictive UFC contracts) more, that counts for A. Silva too, the guy has defended his title against guys like Lutter, Laites and Cote when there are guys such as Santiago, Misaki, Lawler, Mousassi, Lindland, Smith, Rua and Belfort out there. BJ Penn may never face JZ, Hansen, Thomson, Aoki, Sakurai or have a rematch with Gomi. Stikeforce, Dream, Affliction, M1 and many others cross promoted! but the UFC is a greedy, money hungry promotion that has destroyed fighters careers and more than a few other organizations to get where they are. So yeah well done as far as making money goes Dana and the UFC but I also know you are just a brand name and the fights and fighters are what I really want to see and the UFC is just standing in the way time after time. No loyalty here!

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/26/vadim-finkelchtein-we-want-to-talk-to-the-ufc-about-having-fedor-compete/comment-page-1/#comment-95519 fanoftna33 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:04:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=15853#comment-95519 fedor siging with the ufc news is now like the boy who creid wolf. fedor siging with the ufc news is now like the boy who creid wolf.

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