Comments on: On Fedor and the MMA Hardcore Community http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 00:48:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-104400 MMA-LOGIC Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:04:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-104400 Simply fantastic. There is still hope for logic and reason. Keep it up. Simply fantastic. There is still hope for logic and reason.
Keep it up.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-103418 mu_shin Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:32:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-103418 Excellent summation Caleb. I too am disappointed we won't see Fedor in the UFC, and I agree with you down the line. This modern day Drago is not scared of anyone, including Brock. To compare Overeem and Rodgers to Brock, Couture, Noqueira, Carwin, Mir, Velasquez, dos Santos, and whoever might emerge from the HW TUF leaves Strikeforce wanting, but this sport is developing all the time. We can all hope there might be an emerging heavyweight out there with talent like LHW Jon Jones who will surprise all of us. Don't know who or where he could be, but none of us thought of Mr. Lesnar in the context of MMA even three years ago... Great piece. Keep 'em coming. Excellent summation Caleb. I too am disappointed we won’t see Fedor in the UFC, and I agree with you down the line. This modern day Drago is not scared of anyone, including Brock. To compare Overeem and Rodgers to Brock, Couture, Noqueira, Carwin, Mir, Velasquez, dos Santos, and whoever might emerge from the HW TUF leaves Strikeforce wanting, but this sport is developing all the time. We can all hope there might be an emerging heavyweight out there with talent like LHW Jon Jones who will surprise all of us. Don’t know who or where he could be, but none of us thought of Mr. Lesnar in the context of MMA even three years ago…

Great piece. Keep ‘em coming.

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]]> By: s00nertp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-103256 s00nertp Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:35:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-103256 Thanks, great article Thanks, great article

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-103101 Davey D Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:34:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-103101 @ edub & neijia, Thanks! Pride FC really taught me just how big this sport could be. Zuffa has taken it far beyond I'd ever imagined. A prime example will be on display this weekend with UFC 101 and WEC 42. Have fun!!! CMT - feel free to post whenever you want. Even though you might be late to the party, they'll always read your comment's. Somtimes I can't post until a day or two later but I always try to thank someone if they like a post I write up. Cheers!!! @ edub & neijia, Thanks! Pride FC really taught me just how big this sport could be. Zuffa has taken it far beyond I’d ever imagined. A prime example will be on display this weekend with UFC 101 and WEC 42. Have fun!!!

CMT – feel free to post whenever you want. Even though you might be late to the party, they’ll always read your comment’s. Somtimes I can’t post until a day or two later but I always try to thank someone if they like a post I write up. Cheers!!!

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]]> By: egad81 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-103074 egad81 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:12:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-103074 I think Fedor is going to clean house in Strikeforce in 3 fights.... then he will be done with Strikeforce and M-1 (aka Russian Bravta) Then the UFC will make him the richest man in MMA. and i love the Madison Square Garden theory... I hope it plays out like a modern day Rocky IV I think Fedor is going to clean house in Strikeforce in 3 fights…. then he will be done with Strikeforce and M-1 (aka Russian Bravta)
Then the UFC will make him the richest man in MMA.

and i love the Madison Square Garden theory… I hope it plays out like a modern day Rocky IV

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]]> By: CMT http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-103063 CMT Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:41:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-103063 Damn good article, unfortunately I am a day late and a $ short on getting in on the comments. Damn good article, unfortunately I am a day late and a $ short on getting in on the comments.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102640 neijia Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:48:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102640 Thank you Caleb for this article. Good post Davey D. I am a Fedor fan. A Rampage fan. A Machida fan. An Anderson Silva fan. I am not a UFC, M-1, or Strikeforce fan. I did like the zaniness of PRIDE a bit, like Kitchen Stadium ported to Saitama. Just a little weird. But I really can't stand Dana. And now I am feeling like I don't like Vadim. Feeling like the "producers" are leeches off the "talent". Though obviously someone has to take care of the business. Thank you Caleb for this article.

Good post Davey D.

I am a Fedor fan. A Rampage fan. A Machida fan. An Anderson Silva fan. I am not a UFC, M-1, or Strikeforce fan. I did like the zaniness of PRIDE a bit, like Kitchen Stadium ported to Saitama. Just a little weird. But I really can’t stand Dana. And now I am feeling like I don’t like Vadim. Feeling like the “producers” are leeches off the “talent”. Though obviously someone has to take care of the business.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102566 edub Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:06:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102566 Good post Davey D made. I like your style. Good post Davey D made. I like your style.

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102445 Davey D Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:19:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102445 Caleb...I think the atricle you wrote was well written and sums up the last 2 weeks pretty good. It is crazy when you think of all the reason's why Fedor didn't end up in the UFC. Had he, maybe everyone wouldn't be all worked up and disecting everything given to us. The fact is, most of us have been waiting a long time. Some are willing to accept that Fedor wants to give Strikeforce a try, like myself. Some other's aren't. Maybe one of the factor's of it is he wants to adjust to fighting inside a cage? That is not fear, smart planning if you ask me. Maybe he signed with Strikeforce because after this deal, it could be that he'll be free to sign with the UFC. If you look at the big picture, it could be anything. Until we can read mind's, we'll never know exactly. You had said that money probably isn't the case involving Fedor...while it most likely in fact isn't. I think that is a coin flip at this moment in time. He is also signed with M-1/Vadim and that means Co-Promotion is paramount. Strikeforce accepts while Zuffa declines. If it were Fedor and Fedor alone...perphaps he would've just signed with the UFC? Either way, we'll see him in October (possibly Halloween) on Showtime followed by CBS and/or a PPV. He has 3 fight's in one year to complete. I'm very interested in seeing how this all plays out. Let the chips fall where they may. Lastly, I just want to say that I feel that the UFC HW divison is as strong now as it probably has ever been. It'll only get better. The UFC is where almost every fighter strives to be. They are the Leauge. Not many can achieve what Fedor has without the UFC & no one will probably ever do it again. Someday, I truly belive we'll see Fedor Emelianenko step inside the Octagon. I for one am willing to wait until that time comes. Should it never, well...Fedor is just one of a kind. Cheers!!! Caleb…I think the atricle you wrote was well written and sums up the last 2 weeks pretty good. It is crazy when you think of all the reason’s why Fedor didn’t end up in the UFC. Had he, maybe everyone wouldn’t be all worked up and disecting everything given to us.

The fact is, most of us have been waiting a long time. Some are willing to accept that Fedor wants to give Strikeforce a try, like myself. Some other’s aren’t. Maybe one of the factor’s of it is he wants to adjust to fighting inside a cage? That is not fear, smart planning if you ask me. Maybe he signed with Strikeforce because after this deal, it could be that he’ll be free to sign with the UFC. If you look at the big picture, it could be anything. Until we can read mind’s, we’ll never know exactly.

You had said that money probably isn’t the case involving Fedor…while it most likely in fact isn’t. I think that is a coin flip at this moment in time. He is also signed with M-1/Vadim and that means Co-Promotion is paramount. Strikeforce accepts while Zuffa declines. If it were Fedor and Fedor alone…perphaps he would’ve just signed with the UFC? Either way, we’ll see him in October (possibly Halloween) on Showtime followed by CBS and/or a PPV. He has 3 fight’s in one year to complete. I’m very interested in seeing how this all plays out. Let the chips fall where they may.

Lastly, I just want to say that I feel that the UFC HW divison is as strong now as it probably has ever been. It’ll only get better. The UFC is where almost every fighter strives to be. They are the Leauge. Not many can achieve what Fedor has without the UFC & no one will probably ever do it again. Someday, I truly belive we’ll see Fedor Emelianenko step inside the Octagon. I for one am willing to wait until that time comes. Should it never, well…Fedor is just one of a kind. Cheers!!!

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102414 moosebaby02 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:17:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102414 fanoftna33....its always a safe bet for fight of the night when Neer is involed. wish that the Alessio vs Leitess makes air time. just love the way Legionarius fights fanoftna33….its always a safe bet for fight of the night when Neer is involed. wish that the Alessio vs Leitess makes air time. just love the way Legionarius fights

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102386 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:50:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102386 Good post, edub. Am I the only one that saw Overeem getting worked by Buentello, in the stand up, at least? I would be more excited about Machida vs Fedor or Randy vs Fedor than anything. I just think Brock is going to reign for a long time. Good post, edub.

Am I the only one that saw Overeem getting worked by Buentello, in the stand up, at least?

I would be more excited about Machida vs Fedor or Randy vs Fedor than anything. I just think Brock is going to reign for a long time.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102364 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:31:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102364 I think if Lesnar cleans out the UFC, he'll just stay there. Why leave? Let them come to him. He's where the money and exposure is. Dave, I know you're just picking. I think if Lesnar cleans out the UFC, he’ll just stay there. Why leave? Let them come to him. He’s where the money and exposure is.

Dave, I know you’re just picking.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102358 edub Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:28:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102358 Overeem is not good enough to challenge Fedor IMO. I think the only ones who would come close in fighting Fedor would be: Lesnar, Carwin, Machida, Cain, and Couture. I dont see anyone else coming close. Oh if he fights Rogers itll be over in the first. Overeem is not good enough to challenge Fedor IMO. I think the only ones who would come close in fighting Fedor would be: Lesnar, Carwin, Machida, Cain, and Couture. I dont see anyone else coming close.

Oh if he fights Rogers itll be over in the first.

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102353 David Andrest Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:19:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102353 TheHouse you really need to stop with all that fancy logic and book leaarnin. Zuffa is the 733t Org and all must sign with them or they are not the best. TheHouse you really need to stop with all that fancy logic and book leaarnin.

Zuffa is the 733t Org and all must sign with them or they are not the best.

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]]> By: TheHouse http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102350 TheHouse Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:15:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102350 Shouldn't the competition be chasing Fedor? I mean, everyone says he is the best (including me) so wouldn't it something close to when BJ, Sherk, Liddel, Coleman, Shamrock and a bunch of others kinda jumped ship because of how Pride was doing the level of competition was over in Japan. Not that I want anyone to leave and head over to strike force but I would honestly be worried if Lesner does well in the next couple fights. I mean if he wants to cement HIS legacy he needs to dethrone the king. Anyone have any thoughts about Lesner also leaving to fight Fedor if he keeps winning? Shouldn’t the competition be chasing Fedor? I mean, everyone says he is the best (including me) so wouldn’t it something close to when BJ, Sherk, Liddel, Coleman, Shamrock and a bunch of others kinda jumped ship because of how Pride was doing the level of competition was over in Japan. Not that I want anyone to leave and head over to strike force but I would honestly be worried if Lesner does well in the next couple fights. I mean if he wants to cement HIS legacy he needs to dethrone the king. Anyone have any thoughts about Lesner also leaving to fight Fedor if he keeps winning?

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102337 fanoftna33 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:22:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102337 I cant wait for saturday like you moose. It has some very interesting fights on it. I said it yesterday, I think Pelligrino vs Neer for fight of the night. I cant wait for saturday like you moose. It has some very interesting fights on it. I said it yesterday, I think Pelligrino vs Neer for fight of the night.

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]]> By: biggmoney21 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102336 biggmoney21 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:21:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102336 Great article, Caleb. While I may not specifically agree with every single point, it was a pleasure to read. The one thing that should be reiterated is that all of this may not be financially motivated. Everybody seems to think that this is all about money. A wise man once told me "Don't judge other people's money". People say "the UFC made $87M on the UFC 100 PPV while the fighters only got $2M of that". Until the UFC opens their books and/or becomes a public company, we'll never know the real numbers (or their actual profit). M-1 would seem to have some other type of motivations. I'm thinking that maybe Vadim Finkelstein is clamoring to be the next puppet for Putin (aka President Finkelstein)? The other point that's worth repeating that I read several days ago is the fact that the Fertittas are essentially bound by the Nevada Gaming Control Board. Dana all but said that co-promotion is impossible and now we know why. Clearly the Fertittas have no interest in being associated with M-1 and their reported "shady" dealings. Why risk losing their gaming license? Great article, Caleb. While I may not specifically agree with every single point, it was a pleasure to read. The one thing that should be reiterated is that all of this may not be financially motivated. Everybody seems to think that this is all about money. A wise man once told me “Don’t judge other people’s money”. People say “the UFC made $87M on the UFC 100 PPV while the fighters only got $2M of that”. Until the UFC opens their books and/or becomes a public company, we’ll never know the real numbers (or their actual profit). M-1 would seem to have some other type of motivations. I’m thinking that maybe Vadim Finkelstein is clamoring to be the next puppet for Putin (aka President Finkelstein)?

The other point that’s worth repeating that I read several days ago is the fact that the Fertittas are essentially bound by the Nevada Gaming Control Board. Dana all but said that co-promotion is impossible and now we know why. Clearly the Fertittas have no interest in being associated with M-1 and their reported “shady” dealings. Why risk losing their gaming license?

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102334 moosebaby02 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:10:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102334 Jak i guess im a noob as well. and I will state that like ozz and alot and of people IM A MMA FAN and want to see the fights that i could SPEND MY MONEY ON. me wanting see fedor try and put down lesnar and I DONT CARE WHERE OF HOW IT HAPPENS is me being a MMA FAN is all i want. like i have said before in the end WE THE FANS ARE THE ONES PUTTING THE $$$$$ IN THEIR POCKETS so why not cry out for what we want to see or call out a supposed fighter for not given me THE FAN WHO IS PUTTING $$$ IN IS POCKET the fight i want to see. Caled great piece and i see what your saying. So since we werent there in the room we can just have opions. NOW when do we get a break down of this pretty good card on saturday that as a fan I will be PAYING FOR???? Jak i guess im a noob as well. and I will state that like ozz and alot and of people IM A MMA FAN and want to see the fights that i could SPEND MY MONEY ON. me wanting see fedor try and put down lesnar and I DONT CARE WHERE OF HOW IT HAPPENS is me being a MMA FAN is all i want. like i have said before in the end WE THE FANS ARE THE ONES PUTTING THE $$$$$ IN THEIR POCKETS so why not cry out for what we want to see or call out a supposed fighter for not given me THE FAN WHO IS PUTTING $$$ IN IS POCKET the fight i want to see.
Caled great piece and i see what your saying.
So since we werent there in the room we can just have opions. NOW when do we get a break down of this pretty good card on saturday that as a fan I will be PAYING FOR????

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]]> By: VENOM http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102325 VENOM Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:19:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102325 This has to be THE BEST opinion piece I've ever read in this site. Thank you very much, Caleb. You nailed every point I've been trying to make to all the Fedor-Haters over the last few days. It's nice to see an educated MMA mind writing for such a popular MMA site. Many kudos to you and keep up the great work! This has to be THE BEST opinion piece I’ve ever read in this site. Thank you very much, Caleb. You nailed every point I’ve been trying to make to all the Fedor-Haters over the last few days.
It’s nice to see an educated MMA mind writing for such a popular MMA site.

Many kudos to you and keep up the great work!

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/on-fedor-and-the-mma-hardcore-community/comment-page-1/#comment-102322 David Andrest Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:11:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16092#comment-102322 It's been great to talk about, but that is where it ends for me. neither side has ever changed their story. M-1 demands co-promotion. UFC doesn't co-promote. It's never been a secret, and regardless of who you agree with, we can't pretend to not know this issue was there, and will be there. I think you nailed it Caleb. "Fedor obviously has different priorities from most of us, some potentially so culturally different from the western capitalist mentality that it’s hard to fathom." As fans we can be disappointed, but everyone should have known all along. It’s been great to talk about, but that is where it ends for me.

neither side has ever changed their story.

M-1 demands co-promotion.
UFC doesn’t co-promote.

It’s never been a secret, and regardless of who you agree with, we can’t pretend to not know this issue was there, and will be there.

I think you nailed it Caleb. “Fedor obviously has different priorities from most of us, some potentially so culturally different from the western capitalist mentality that it’s hard to fathom.”

As fans we can be disappointed, but everyone should have known all along.

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