Comments on: Scott Coker on Fedor vs. Overeem: ‘Let’s build that fight up’ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 00:48:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-104180 edub Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:06:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-104180 Damn good Mu shin...damn good. Damn good Mu shin…damn good.

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]]> By: KTru http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-104172 KTru Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:00:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-104172 "Build this fight up"? Overeem's injuries may prevent that. Sooooooo, build it up for 2015? “Build this fight up”?

Overeem’s injuries may prevent that.

Sooooooo, build it up for 2015?

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]]> By: antone3x7 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-104163 antone3x7 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:54:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-104163 Rogers need a few more fights to show he's legit. It would be a shame to have Fedor beat Rogers, and then have Rogers drop his following fight, ala Sylvia and Arlovski. Rogers need a few more fights to show he’s legit. It would be a shame to have Fedor beat Rogers, and then have Rogers drop his following fight, ala Sylvia and Arlovski.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-103356 mu_shin Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:46:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-103356 A few points gentlemen... An aging Fedor Emelianenko? Check out the facts: Fedor turns 33 this September. He is potentially in his prime as a fighter, and against the caliber of opponent he is likely to face in Strikeforce, he will dominate. Unlike Nogueira, who is actually around the same age, Fedor has not spent his career taking a series of brutal beatings, and has plenty of fight left in him. If you google "Overeem and Steroids" you'll come up with sequential photos of his development over the past several years. As a long time bodybuilding fan and weightlifter, I would say it's very unlikely Overeem achieved such a muscular gain without exogenous testosterone analogs. In terms of competing in MMA however, because there is no year 'round protocol of un-announced drug testing in MMA, as long as he has good medical advice and competent coaching, he can maintain most of his muscle and pass almost any drug test, as long as he has used drugs that pass from the system relatively quickly and has adequate notice of when he will be tested. Barnett is a great example of how even an experienced steroid user can try and work the system and fail, so it should be interesting to see if Overeem can clear to fight in California. Quickly, Overeem is a well rounded fighter, good on his feet, and actually has more submission victories than knockouts. I don't think he's ever been in a ring/cage with any heavyweight whose skills are anyhere near the level of Emelianenko's, and if and when that fight takes place, I feel pretty certain that will become very obvious very quickly. Do a search on Brett Rogers and watch some of the fights he had before he KO'd Arlovski, and I think that's all you will need to see to determine that this guy has a puncher's chance, but at 30-1, no one has been able to punch Fedor's ticket to this point. No that it couldn't happen, but I don't see it happening against Brett Rogers, or Alistair Overeem. If Fedor has a contractual obligation to himself through M-1/Global, and fulfills that commitment in the three fights with Strikforce, perhaps then we can see the fights we all want to see against the best true heavyweights available. Only time will tell, but time is hardly running out on the most dominant heavyweight to ever fight in this sport. A few points gentlemen…

An aging Fedor Emelianenko? Check out the facts: Fedor turns 33 this September. He is potentially in his prime as a fighter, and against the caliber of opponent he is likely to face in Strikeforce, he will dominate.
Unlike Nogueira, who is actually around the same age, Fedor has not spent his career taking a series of brutal beatings, and has plenty of fight left in him.

If you google “Overeem and Steroids” you’ll come up with sequential photos of his development over the past several years. As a long time bodybuilding fan and weightlifter, I would say it’s very unlikely Overeem achieved such a muscular gain without exogenous testosterone analogs.

In terms of competing in MMA however, because there is no year ’round protocol of un-announced drug testing in MMA, as long as he has good medical advice and competent coaching, he can maintain most of his muscle and pass almost any drug test, as long as he has used drugs that pass from the system relatively quickly and has adequate notice of when he will be tested. Barnett is a great example of how even an experienced steroid user can try and work the system and fail, so it should be interesting to see if Overeem can clear to fight in California.

Quickly, Overeem is a well rounded fighter, good on his feet, and actually has more submission victories than knockouts. I don’t think he’s ever been in a ring/cage with any heavyweight whose skills are anyhere near the level of Emelianenko’s, and if and when that fight takes place, I feel pretty certain that will become very obvious very quickly.

Do a search on Brett Rogers and watch some of the fights he had before he KO’d Arlovski, and I think that’s all you will need to see to determine that this guy has a puncher’s chance, but at 30-1, no one has been able to punch Fedor’s ticket to this point. No that it couldn’t happen, but I don’t see it happening against Brett Rogers, or Alistair Overeem.

If Fedor has a contractual obligation to himself through M-1/Global, and fulfills that commitment in the three fights with Strikforce, perhaps then we can see the fights we all want to see against the best true heavyweights available. Only time will tell, but time is hardly running out on the most dominant heavyweight to ever fight in this sport.

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-103351 BigDave Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:52:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-103351 Ill sya that i have only seen overeem a few times and have liked what i saw he woulf make a better fight then the tomatoe cans that fedor has faced over the last few years and I think he could actually pull of the upset. It will be interesting to see. As for Rogers I think he could land a shot but I fear fedor is just much to technical for rogers at this stage of his career. Ill sya that i have only seen overeem a few times and have liked what i saw he woulf make a better fight then the tomatoe cans that fedor has faced over the last few years and I think he could actually pull of the upset. It will be interesting to see. As for Rogers I think he could land a shot but I fear fedor is just much to technical for rogers at this stage of his career.

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]]> By: mikeclem http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-103346 mikeclem Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:12:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-103346 The Spider actualy walks around @ about 210 or so. Forest is somwhere around 230-235 like you stated. Plain and simple Americans are just better at cutting wieght period. The weight issues are why he struggled at 205. I sayed struggled lightly , every fight he lost durring that time was to a top 10 or top 5 guy. Granted , he probally shouldve pulled out a W against one of them(Liddell, Arona, Shogun x2, Lil Nog x2) , but its not like he was fighting cans. Im a big Overeem fan and ill be the first to say that he hasnt really beaten the top end fighters in mma, But holding a KO victory over a K-1 HW champion IN k-1 rules and taking the K-1 2008 grand prix winner to a decsion is pretty impressive. When i said Overeem walked around @ 220+ first of all i meant around fight time and second 220+ is probally closer to 225-230. thats at fight time. When he was fighting @ 205 he was probally as big as Forest. Youll have to show me where it says hes 260. The fight i was refering to where he was 235 was K-1 World GP 2009 in Yokohama on 3-28-09. Sherdog has him listed at 230 as well. You cant always belive what the announcers tell you. The Spider actualy walks around @ about 210 or so. Forest is somwhere around 230-235 like you stated.

Plain and simple Americans are just better at cutting wieght period. The weight issues are why he struggled at 205. I sayed struggled lightly , every fight he lost durring that time was to a top 10 or top 5 guy. Granted , he probally shouldve pulled out a W against one of them(Liddell, Arona, Shogun x2, Lil Nog x2) , but its not like he was fighting cans. Im a big Overeem fan and ill be the first to say that he hasnt really beaten the top end fighters in mma, But holding a KO victory over a K-1 HW champion IN k-1 rules and taking the K-1 2008 grand prix winner to a decsion is pretty impressive.
When i said Overeem walked around @ 220+ first of all i meant around fight time and second 220+ is probally closer to 225-230. thats at fight time. When he was fighting @ 205 he was probally as big as Forest.

Youll have to show me where it says hes 260. The fight i was refering to where he was 235 was K-1 World GP 2009 in Yokohama on 3-28-09. Sherdog has him listed at 230 as well. You cant always belive what the announcers tell you.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102909 ozz_the_powerful Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:01:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102909 Why Overeem stuggled @ 205- He had to cut an extreme amount of wieght to make 205. He walks around @ 220+. 15 pounds is an extreme amount of weight to cut? Really? 6'5" and 205 he should have been a MONSTER. cutting 15lbs is nothing. Walking around at 220, to a FIGHT WEIGHT of 235 may not seem like much, but he NOW walks around at 260. So walking around at a 40lb difference in 2 years is fairly substantial to me. I do agree with you about the HW possibilities though. Good points! Why Overeem stuggled @ 205-
He had to cut an extreme amount of wieght to make 205.
He walks around @ 220+.

15 pounds is an extreme amount of weight to cut? Really?

6’5″ and 205 he should have been a MONSTER. cutting 15lbs is nothing.

Walking around at 220, to a FIGHT WEIGHT of 235 may not seem like much, but he NOW walks around at 260. So walking around at a 40lb difference in 2 years is fairly substantial to me.

I do agree with you about the HW possibilities though. Good points!

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102907 moosebaby02 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:49:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102907 oh im with ozz on his neanderthal like looks oh im with ozz on his neanderthal like looks

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102906 moosebaby02 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:48:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102906 ummmmmm the spider is 6'2 and walks around 230-235 lbs, forrest is 6'3 and walks around 235-240 lbs oh and he beat rua........ soooooooo WHY as i posted before did overeem struggle at 205????????? ummmmmm the spider is 6’2 and walks around 230-235 lbs, forrest is 6’3 and walks around 235-240 lbs oh and he beat rua…….. soooooooo WHY as i posted before did overeem struggle at 205?????????

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]]> By: mikeclem http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102677 mikeclem Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:45:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102677 Why Overeem stuggled @ 205- He had to cut an extreme amount of wieght to make 205. He walks around @ 220+. Loosing to Rua and Liddle shouldnt be anything to be ashamed about. Plain and simple he just cut WAY to much weight. Why hes popular- Not from his fights with Buentello, Goodridge , and Cro Cop, but more from his K-1 rules match ko of K-1 HW champion Badr Hari and controversial decesion loss to 2008 GP Champion Remy Bonjasky. Steriod Alligations- Hes always been a big guy. I mean he's 6'5. How many 6'5 guys do you know that weigh 205lbs. Most people think that he went from 205 to 250 wich is incorrect. As i stated before he walked around @ 220+. In his match against Remy he weighed in @ 235. Im not saying that he's not juiced , but going from 220-ish to 235 in two years is not that big of a jump! Not to metion that when he was fighting at 205 he didnt do much weight training and now he does. Brett Rodgers- Wow. People would realy rather see Rodgers vs Fedor than Fedor vs Overeem. Wow. I personally would like to see strikeforce sign Arlovski and Match AA vs Overeem. And the same thing will happen in that match that happend in the Brett Rodgers vs AA match. Rodgers is no doubt an up and comming Hw. Keyword up and comming . He'll have is time , But in no way, shape, or form is he ready for Fedor at this stage in his career! Strikeforce has alot of options for Fedor at this point , or atlest they have options to build the Overeem, Fedor fight. Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski are still availible . Not to mention Bobby Lashley. And they already have Werdum. Barnett is still a possibility (not likely though) IMO that rivals the Ufc Hw Division! Now that they are partnering with Dream look for SF to give Ufc a jog for there money. 1st SF show- Werdum vs Fedor Overeem vs Arlovski 2nd(maybe 3rd) SF show - Overeem vs Fedor Or they could even have a Hw tournament Buentello vs Sylvia Werdum vs Overeem AA vs Yvel Fedor vs Rodgers Why Overeem stuggled @ 205-

He had to cut an extreme amount of wieght to make 205.
He walks around @ 220+.
Loosing to Rua and Liddle shouldnt be anything to be ashamed about.
Plain and simple he just cut WAY to much weight.

Why hes popular-

Not from his fights with Buentello, Goodridge , and Cro Cop, but more from his K-1 rules match ko of K-1 HW champion Badr Hari and controversial decesion loss to 2008 GP Champion Remy Bonjasky.

Steriod Alligations-

Hes always been a big guy. I mean he’s 6’5. How many 6’5 guys do you know that weigh 205lbs. Most people think that he went from 205 to 250 wich is incorrect. As i stated before he walked around @ 220+. In his match against Remy he weighed in @ 235. Im not saying that he’s not juiced , but going from 220-ish to 235 in two years is not that big of a jump! Not to metion that when he was fighting at 205 he didnt do much weight training and now he does.

Brett Rodgers-
Wow. People would realy rather see Rodgers vs Fedor than Fedor vs Overeem. Wow.
I personally would like to see strikeforce sign Arlovski and Match AA vs Overeem. And the same thing will happen in that match that happend in the Brett Rodgers vs AA match. Rodgers is no doubt an up and comming Hw. Keyword up and comming . He’ll have is time , But in no way, shape, or form is he ready for Fedor at this stage in his career!

Strikeforce has alot of options for Fedor at this point , or atlest they have options to build the Overeem, Fedor fight. Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski are still availible . Not to mention Bobby Lashley. And they already have Werdum. Barnett is still a possibility (not likely though) IMO that rivals the Ufc Hw Division! Now that they are partnering with Dream look for SF to give Ufc a jog for there money.

1st SF show-
Werdum vs Fedor
Overeem vs Arlovski

2nd(maybe 3rd) SF show -
Overeem vs Fedor

Or they could even have a Hw tournament
Buentello vs Sylvia
Werdum vs Overeem
AA vs Yvel
Fedor vs Rodgers

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102427 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:02:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102427 I am absolutely pulling for Forrest in this one. Guaranteed to be a great match. There's so many different ways it could go. I'd really like to see them stand and bang, but who knows. I'm sick of Fedor already.... Can we please get a UFC 101 thread going? I am absolutely pulling for Forrest in this one. Guaranteed to be a great match. There’s so many different ways it could go. I’d really like to see them stand and bang, but who knows.

I’m sick of Fedor already…. Can we please get a UFC 101 thread going?

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102417 moosebaby02 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:27:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102417 edub i want forest to win soooooo bad. just because if he does i know he wont be retairing to fight a washed up roy jones. i love ken fol. think he is great for the sport as an ambasodor, but i will have to admit not being a penn fan he is looking GREAT with his training sessions right now and might be on track to where we all as mma fans would love see him at. love the fact that he moved his camp and is now recognizing his only flaw (cardio) and is addressing it. it could be bad news for kenny. by the way go Johny Hendricks. love that guy edub i want forest to win soooooo bad. just because if he does i know he wont be retairing to fight a washed up roy jones. i love ken fol. think he is great for the sport as an ambasodor, but i will have to admit not being a penn fan he is looking GREAT with his training sessions right now and might be on track to where we all as mma fans would love see him at. love the fact that he moved his camp and is now recognizing his only flaw (cardio) and is addressing it. it could be bad news for kenny.
by the way go Johny Hendricks. love that guy

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102374 edub Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:39:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102374 The orbital bone is a good one, but a better one is the back. His back is just massive now. The orbital bone is a good one, but a better one is the back. His back is just massive now.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102359 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:28:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102359 edub, I hate comments like that, but this is one time I actually wonder the same thing. He bulked up REALLY fast. But he didn't just bulk, he kept his tone. That fight against Goodridge, look at his eyebrow area. See how it's all poofy and "neanderthal like?" It's actually a tell-tale sign. Go ahead and blast me, but bad breath, yellow whites of eyes, and a protruding ridge of the eye orbital area are signs. I'm just saying..... edub, I hate comments like that, but this is one time I actually wonder the same thing. He bulked up REALLY fast. But he didn’t just bulk, he kept his tone. That fight against Goodridge, look at his eyebrow area. See how it’s all poofy and “neanderthal like?” It’s actually a tell-tale sign.

Go ahead and blast me, but bad breath, yellow whites of eyes, and a protruding ridge of the eye orbital area are signs. I’m just saying…..

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102354 edub Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:19:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102354 Im still waiting for Overeem to obtain a license again in America. We'll see if everything he put on is natural by then. Im still waiting for Overeem to obtain a license again in America. We’ll see if everything he put on is natural by then.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102352 edub Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:18:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102352 Moose Im hoping for exact opposite. Penn and Griffin. However, I think its gonna be Spider and Penn. I think Penn is gonna demolish Kenflo too. Moose Im hoping for exact opposite.
Penn and Griffin.
However, I think its gonna be Spider and Penn. I think Penn is gonna demolish Kenflo too.

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102341 moosebaby02 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:27:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102341 Sooooooooo....Pen vs Florain- ken flo spider vs forest- spider i almost for got that was this weekend Sooooooooo….Pen vs Florain- ken flo
spider vs forest- spider
i almost for got that was this weekend

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102340 moosebaby02 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:26:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102340 Hmmmmmm!!!!! if your getting knocked out and made to tap at LHW why all of a sudden is Overeem is such a dangerous threat is a HW with bigger guys and a legit threat to stop fedor???? This is alot of wishfull thinking going on here. Jak ozz bang on again Hmmmmmm!!!!! if your getting knocked out and made to tap at LHW why all of a sudden is Overeem is such a dangerous threat is a HW with bigger guys and a legit threat to stop fedor???? This is alot of wishfull thinking going on here. Jak ozz bang on again

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102314 fanoftna33 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:58:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102314 As much as I like Buentello as a fighter I would not like to see him fight Fedor, although the revenge factor is there( Buentello destroying baby Fedor) it is not a fight I would like to see or a fight a fight Buentello has earned. As much as I like Buentello as a fighter I would not like to see him fight Fedor, although the revenge factor is there( Buentello destroying baby Fedor) it is not a fight I would like to see or a fight a fight Buentello has earned.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/comment-page-1/#comment-102280 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:59:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16083#comment-102280 I'll give you that. That's the promotions fault, but seriously, why even have a heavyweight division if you only have ONE PERSON!!?? You're telling me that Overeem was the ONLY Heavyweight they had? Even if that's true, how WEAK is that!! Like they couldnt have had someone go up in weight or brought someone else in to fight. You can't tell me that Overeem was the only HW on their roster. I’ll give you that. That’s the promotions fault, but seriously, why even have a heavyweight division if you only have ONE PERSON!!??

You’re telling me that Overeem was the ONLY Heavyweight they had? Even if that’s true, how WEAK is that!! Like they couldnt have had someone go up in weight or brought someone else in to fight.

You can’t tell me that Overeem was the only HW on their roster.

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