Comments on: Fedor Press Conference Live Blog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 00:48:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-106049 MMA-LOGIC Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:47:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-106049 Do you really think that the UFC is not dirty when it comes to signing people and negotiations ozz? anytime a fighter wants to leave to earn bigger money or fight a fighter they want to outside of the UFC, the UFC screws them as much as they can, just like Randy, Ortiz, Arlovski etc. Yes you are extremely pro UFC and anti Fedor, a nut-hugger if you will...well you said it. Have you ever said anything bad about the UFC or Dana and have you ever said anything positive about Fedor or M1?...not that I have read. Every time something comes out you believe the UFC side and trash talk the M1/Fedor side, usually whilst giving the truth a little twist in the direction you want. Look Dana (Uncle Fester) stop calling yourself ozz and come clean. P.S. If that is you Dana can I get free tickets to the Aussie show in 2010?...I was just joking about the Uncle Fester thing...really I was, you're really a very...er... handsome man. Do you really think that the UFC is not dirty when it comes to signing people and negotiations ozz? anytime a fighter wants to leave to earn bigger money or fight a fighter they want to outside of the UFC, the UFC screws them as much as they can, just like Randy, Ortiz, Arlovski etc.
Yes you are extremely pro UFC and anti Fedor, a nut-hugger if you will…well you said it. Have you ever said anything bad about the UFC or Dana and have you ever said anything positive about Fedor or M1?…not that I have read. Every time something comes out you believe the UFC side and trash talk the M1/Fedor side, usually whilst giving the truth a little twist in the direction you want.
Look Dana (Uncle Fester) stop calling yourself ozz and come clean.

P.S. If that is you Dana can I get free tickets to the Aussie show in 2010?…I was just joking about the Uncle Fester thing…really I was, you’re really a very…er… handsome man.

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]]> By: Batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-106042 Batman Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:13:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-106042 I think strikeforce puts on a good show great production over there on showtime. If anything, they just need more promotion for their product. I think strikeforce puts on a good show great production over there on showtime. If anything, they just need more promotion for their product.

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]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104816 hindsightufuk Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:31:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104816 thats crazy business, and i'm real gutted for Mousasi. he's been one of the best fighters for a while now. i'm not saying he needs to go to the ufc but i just want other people (who only ever watch the ufc) to be aware of how dangerous this man is. thats crazy business, and i’m real gutted for Mousasi. he’s been one of the best fighters for a while now. i’m not saying he needs to go to the ufc but i just want other people (who only ever watch the ufc) to be aware of how dangerous this man is.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104742 fanoftna33 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:02:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104742 That sucks for Mousasi, he will be losing out on all that money, and if he loses a fight before he comes to the ufc you know he will not get that kind of a offer again. That sucks for Mousasi, he will be losing out on all that money, and if he loses a fight before he comes to the ufc you know he will not get that kind of a offer again.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104741 ozz_the_powerful Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:59:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104741 Here hindsightufuk I hope this helps "I just touched base with Joe Silva and he explained this is basically what happened regarding Mousasi:" "Mousasi called him Saturday because he suspected he had been lied to by his manager, Appy Echteld, regarding an offer of $40,000/$40,000 from the UFC and then encouraged to accept an offer from Strikeforce. According to what Mousasi shared, that amount was less than half of the purse agreement he had with Affliction but he trusted his manager and signed with Strikeforce. The UFC would have honored the Affliction deal of $125,000 purse plus win bonus had Mousasi signed with them." "Contrary to the claim made today by M-1 that Mousasi was on the phone during negotiations with Joe Silva for his services, Joe adamantly denies that is true. Had that been the case, there would have been no reason for Mousasi to call Joe to question Echteld’s claim of a $40,000/$40,000 offer from the UFC." [UPDATE] Carmichael Dave post's the official story on the Sherdog forums: "So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?" "Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40," Joe Silva said." Editorial Note by Brent Brookhouse: Bottom line: M-1 lied to Mousasi to get him to sign a deal they wanted him to sign. They looked out for their own interests instead of his. They violated their duty to the client. The fact that Joe said they didn't make an offer is actually worse. It means that rather than lying about the numbers offered they cut off any potential negotiations by claiming a poor offer was made before the UFC had a chance to establish a starting point for negotiations. Here hindsightufuk I hope this helps

“I just touched base with Joe Silva and he explained this is basically what happened regarding Mousasi:”

“Mousasi called him Saturday because he suspected he had been lied to by his manager, Appy Echteld, regarding an offer of $40,000/$40,000 from the UFC and then encouraged to accept an offer from Strikeforce. According to what Mousasi shared, that amount was less than half of the purse agreement he had with Affliction but he trusted his manager and signed with Strikeforce. The UFC would have honored the Affliction deal of $125,000 purse plus win bonus had Mousasi signed with them.”

“Contrary to the claim made today by M-1 that Mousasi was on the phone during negotiations with Joe Silva for his services, Joe adamantly denies that is true. Had that been the case, there would have been no reason for Mousasi to call Joe to question Echteld’s claim of a $40,000/$40,000 offer from the UFC.”

[UPDATE] Carmichael Dave post’s the official story on the Sherdog forums:

“So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?”

“Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40,” Joe Silva said.”

Editorial Note by Brent Brookhouse: Bottom line: M-1 lied to Mousasi to get him to sign a deal they wanted him to sign. They looked out for their own interests instead of his. They violated their duty to the client. The fact that Joe said they didn’t make an offer is actually worse. It means that rather than lying about the numbers offered they cut off any potential negotiations by claiming a poor offer was made before the UFC had a chance to establish a starting point for negotiations.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104738 ozz_the_powerful Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:54:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104738 I think what they were referring to was the deal UFC tried to make with Mousasi and Vadim lied to him about how much it was and what it was for and hurried and got him signed with SF. Let me dig and I'll try to back it up with a link/quote I think what they were referring to was the deal UFC tried to make with Mousasi and Vadim lied to him about how much it was and what it was for and hurried and got him signed with SF.

Let me dig and I’ll try to back it up with a link/quote

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]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104735 hindsightufuk Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:47:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104735 *The UFC has tried to stop the fight between Mousasi and Babalu, but Mousasi has signed a deal with Strikeforce and he will honor it. The fight with Babalu will go down as planned what was that comment about? did mousasi speak with ufc? or babalu? *The UFC has tried to stop the fight between Mousasi and Babalu, but Mousasi has signed a deal with Strikeforce and he will honor it. The fight with Babalu will go down as planned

what was that comment about? did mousasi speak with ufc? or babalu?

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104345 moosebaby02 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:52:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104345 i guess im one too ozz i guess im one too ozz

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-104312 fanoftna33 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:56:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-104312 I like Manhoef but he wont do crap in the ufc, he has no ground game at all. This may be the only way anybody can beat the ufc( banning together) and I think it is really scaring them, a little maybe? Anyway think about the week they had, they lost Fedor, and station casinos filed for bankrupcy plus they are putting on two huge shous this month, thoes guyshad a rough week and now strikeforce is coming on strong. I am surprised Dana didnt really let them have it. I like Manhoef but he wont do crap in the ufc, he has no ground game at all. This may be the only way anybody can beat the ufc( banning together) and I think it is really scaring them, a little maybe? Anyway think about the week they had, they lost Fedor, and station casinos filed for bankrupcy plus they are putting on two huge shous this month, thoes guyshad a rough week and now strikeforce is coming on strong. I am surprised Dana didnt really let them have it.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103997 ozz_the_powerful Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:41:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103997 How many people wanted to see Mousasi in the UFC? Show of hands please? (*ME*) Did anyone happen to know that Vadim lied to him about what the UFC was offering? He could have and should have been in the UFC and wanted to be there. Vadim and his bullshit I'm sick of. What kind of press conference has dogs barking in the background? Look guys, I'm sorry. It's been a long day, and I'm just sick of all this Fedor hype. Not so much him, but M-1. It's all propoganda and lies. M-1 wasn't even known to the casual fan before every major outlet jumped on every word and every statement. What do we get out of this other than free fights? What the hell happened to people caring about the sport? Not a watered down Elite XC version with effing cheerleaders that are dancing on the ramp to the cage. I fear it's gonna go downhill and get watered down from here. You guys enjoy your free fights, but I'll stick with a promotion that knows what marketing is and how to hold an event properly. Call me what you want, but if that makes me a UFC nuthugger, then so be it. I'll take quality over quantity any day. How many people wanted to see Mousasi in the UFC?

Show of hands please? (*ME*)

Did anyone happen to know that Vadim lied to him about what the UFC was offering? He could have and should have been in the UFC and wanted to be there.

Vadim and his bullshit I’m sick of. What kind of press conference has dogs barking in the background?

Look guys, I’m sorry. It’s been a long day, and I’m just sick of all this Fedor hype. Not so much him, but M-1. It’s all propoganda and lies. M-1 wasn’t even known to the casual fan before every major outlet jumped on every word and every statement.

What do we get out of this other than free fights? What the hell happened to people caring about the sport? Not a watered down Elite XC version with effing cheerleaders that are dancing on the ramp to the cage. I fear it’s gonna go downhill and get watered down from here.

You guys enjoy your free fights, but I’ll stick with a promotion that knows what marketing is and how to hold an event properly. Call me what you want, but if that makes me a UFC nuthugger, then so be it. I’ll take quality over quantity any day.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103994 ozz_the_powerful Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:20:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103994 I was waiting to see if they had even gotten a license to promote yet! Weird how there was no mention of that. I'm sick of it. Sick of the coverage this guy gets, and sick of all the utter BS. It's all BS. I was waiting to see if they had even gotten a license to promote yet! Weird how there was no mention of that.

I’m sick of it. Sick of the coverage this guy gets, and sick of all the utter BS. It’s all BS.

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]]> By: antone3x7 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103988 antone3x7 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:32:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103988 Every comment by Coker seems to be about his own company, Strikeforce, and Fedor. Every comment by Vadim is about UFC, UFC this, UFC that. He's just a bitter old man whining about the UFC just because he couldn't use Fedor to get in on the UFC cash cow. Every comment by Coker seems to be about his own company, Strikeforce, and Fedor. Every comment by Vadim is about UFC, UFC this, UFC that. He’s just a bitter old man whining about the UFC just because he couldn’t use Fedor to get in on the UFC cash cow.

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]]> By: manny http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103985 manny Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:04:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103985 Yeah Finkel... should have stated that a bit diff.. maybe Silva is a great fighter and the ufc has done well marketing him etc... Marketing fedor should not be a prob if silva is huge in the US without speaking english then the same can be said for Fedor. I believe the ufc has it tougher to promote mma, yes they big in the US, Ger, UK but still have a lot more to cover while strkfoce & fedor is known in all asia, europe, and so on, the US the last spot will will be diff b/c of ufc. Yeah Finkel… should have stated that a bit diff.. maybe Silva is a great fighter and the ufc has done well marketing him etc… Marketing fedor should not be a prob if silva is huge in the US without speaking english then the same can be said for Fedor. I believe the ufc has it tougher to promote mma, yes they big in the US, Ger, UK but still have a lot more to cover while strkfoce & fedor is known in all asia, europe, and so on, the US the last spot will will be diff b/c of ufc.

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]]> By: antone3x7 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103983 antone3x7 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:55:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103983 Coker is a great guy, and I'm gaining more respect for him everytime I read an article or quote from him. Anderson Silva, a product of UFC's media machine? Finkelchtein is an idiot and needs to stop talking.. forever. Coker is a great guy, and I’m gaining more respect for him everytime I read an article or quote from him.

Anderson Silva, a product of UFC’s media machine? Finkelchtein is an idiot and needs to stop talking.. forever.

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103982 Jstew3785 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:53:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103982 Sengoku is another MMA org. Josh Barnett and Jeff Monson have fought for them before Sengoku is another MMA org. Josh Barnett and Jeff Monson have fought for them before

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]]> By: manny http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103978 manny Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:31:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103978 I'm not form the UK so not sure, but I hear that the ppl form UK have to subscribe to espn and they complain about nascar. I assume that espn pays the ufc $ to air the fights since ufc in not able to air the ppv event in the uk I’m not form the UK so not sure, but I hear that the ppl form UK have to subscribe to espn and they complain about nascar. I assume that espn pays the ufc $ to air the fights since ufc in not able to air the ppv event in the uk

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103977 David Andrest Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:29:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103977 LOL Coker is a brilliant guy. shrugging off DW's comments. Making Dana looked like a jilted school girl LOL Coker is a brilliant guy. shrugging off DW’s comments. Making Dana looked like a jilted school girl

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]]> By: manny http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103976 manny Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:29:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103976 Question for any one who may know, I read and see the name Sengoku, is that anohter mma org or what? If so why not join in with Strkfe, dream & m-1? Question for any one who may know, I read and see the name Sengoku, is that anohter mma org or what? If so why not join in with Strkfe, dream & m-1?

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103975 danw84 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:27:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103975 Why is Strikeforce able to air events at a global level, and the UFC isn't? I know at least the United Kingdom gets UFC, why not anywhere else? Why is Strikeforce able to air events at a global level, and the UFC isn’t? I know at least the United Kingdom gets UFC, why not anywhere else?

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/06/fedor-press-conference-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-103974 moosebaby02 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:22:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16128#comment-103974 yeah the dream thing was also something i missed. wow yeah the dream thing was also something i missed. wow

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