Comments on: Diaz Out, Jesse Taylor in to face Hieron at “Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg”(UPDATED) http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-108453 Angry Mike Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:04:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-108453 Taylor will be an interesting replacement. I've always thought he had lots of raw talent and want to see the guy face some tough opponents. I put Hieron in that category. Taylor will be an interesting replacement. I’ve always thought he had lots of raw talent and want to see the guy face some tough opponents. I put Hieron in that category.

]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107964 danw84 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:21:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107964 Totally. I'd have liked to see Diaz fight. I despise both Diaz brothers (I hate their attitude problems), but I'm not about to use that towards an argument that they aren't great fighters. But I also really like Jesse a lot, so I am ok with the change. Totally. I’d have liked to see Diaz fight. I despise both Diaz brothers (I hate their attitude problems), but I’m not about to use that towards an argument that they aren’t great fighters.

But I also really like Jesse a lot, so I am ok with the change.

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107926 edub Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107926 Rock on. Good to know Dan Im ready to see a preview and predictions on the whole card. Rock on.

Good to know Dan Im ready to see a preview and predictions on the whole card.

]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107918 danw84 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:45:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107918 Sorry let me clarify, I understand the anger AGAINST the CSAC for breaking what they had previously agreed to. Sorry let me clarify, I understand the anger AGAINST the CSAC for breaking what they had previously agreed to.

]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107916 danw84 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:44:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107916 Very true, prescription marijuana is legal in California. But it is still illegal federally, and if Strikeforce ever wants to hold shows outside of California as it has a few times in the past, it needs to follow those rules. Also, if the sport itself says that it doesn't want its athletes on a specific drug, then Diaz should respect that. Otherwise he should find a sport that is willing to accept him and his "medical needs." In the end it's just unprofessional on his part to use it at all, but I do understand the other side breaking a previous agreement that probably shouldn't have been there in the first place. Very true, prescription marijuana is legal in California. But it is still illegal federally, and if Strikeforce ever wants to hold shows outside of California as it has a few times in the past, it needs to follow those rules. Also, if the sport itself says that it doesn’t want its athletes on a specific drug, then Diaz should respect that. Otherwise he should find a sport that is willing to accept him and his “medical needs.” In the end it’s just unprofessional on his part to use it at all, but I do understand the other side breaking a previous agreement that probably shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107911 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:40:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107911 Good debate, brother! This is why I come here!! Good debate, brother!

This is why I come here!!

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107880 edub Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:44:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107880 Dan, Its not illegal in the state of California(for prescription carriers) where StrikeForce is based out of and where the fights are going to take place. And he didnt give it time to get out of his system because he did know he was going to be tested this early. He obviously was going to leave enough time for the drug to get out of his system if the test was going to take place after the fight(which I think is the usual procedure). Your correct Ozz. Caesar should have never asked for CSAC's legal department description. He should have just said Diaz will not be able to fight if the Commission is not going to honor prior arrangements that have been made. Thanx for posting that excerpt. Dan,
Its not illegal in the state of California(for prescription carriers) where StrikeForce is based out of and where the fights are going to take place. And he didnt give it time to get out of his system because he did know he was going to be tested this early. He obviously was going to leave enough time for the drug to get out of his system if the test was going to take place after the fight(which I think is the usual procedure).

Your correct Ozz.

Caesar should have never asked for CSAC’s legal department description. He should have just said Diaz will not be able to fight if the Commission is not going to honor prior arrangements that have been made. Thanx for posting that excerpt.

]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107879 fanoftna33 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:43:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107879 I watched his dream fight but honestly how can you take anything from it, he was out there for about 8 seconds, I do think he will be a great match up for Heiron though,with a great wrestling base it should come down to who is the better striker. I watched his dream fight but honestly how can you take anything from it, he was out there for about 8 seconds, I do think he will be a great match up for Heiron though,with a great wrestling base it should come down to who is the better striker.

]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107877 danw84 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:32:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107877 As for Jesse fighting, I'm excited. I agree entirely with mac wilson about him seeming like a good guy. He just had a drinking problem that it looks like he's dealt with. He looked great last month in Dream, and I'm pumped to see him again. As for Jesse fighting, I’m excited. I agree entirely with mac wilson about him seeming like a good guy. He just had a drinking problem that it looks like he’s dealt with. He looked great last month in Dream, and I’m pumped to see him again.

]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107876 danw84 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:27:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107876 As has been said, if you want to compete in a sport where you know something you enjoy is banned, you have to make a decision. Which is more important, continuing your promising career, or getting high? Another point people seem to be missing is that regardless of your personal feelings, marijuana IS still illegal. By Strikeforce allowing one of their fighters to compete outside the established rules, it could be seen as them supporting marijuana use, which is probably something they want to avoid. It's not like Diaz didn't know when his fight was going to be. If he wants to smoke, I have zero problem with that, but it isn't like he didn't have time to let it get out of his system. It's just unprofessional in my opinion. As has been said, if you want to compete in a sport where you know something you enjoy is banned, you have to make a decision. Which is more important, continuing your promising career, or getting high?

Another point people seem to be missing is that regardless of your personal feelings, marijuana IS still illegal. By Strikeforce allowing one of their fighters to compete outside the established rules, it could be seen as them supporting marijuana use, which is probably something they want to avoid.

It’s not like Diaz didn’t know when his fight was going to be. If he wants to smoke, I have zero problem with that, but it isn’t like he didn’t have time to let it get out of his system. It’s just unprofessional in my opinion.

]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107874 fanoftna33 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107874 The article explained it all, it seems to me that the csac did go out of thier way to get Diaz the liscense, but you would also think that if the new commisioner knew about the agreement between Diaz ans Garcia he could have notified Diaz he wished to change it. The article explained it all, it seems to me that the csac did go out of thier way to get Diaz the liscense, but you would also think that if the new commisioner knew about the agreement between Diaz ans Garcia he could have notified Diaz he wished to change it.

]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107872 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:05:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107872 This is what I mean "Cesar asked for a legal opinion and at that point I’m obligated to give it to him. I went back to the department’s legal team, and what they clarified was that the passionate use act in California will protect people from criminal prosecution for the use of medicinal marijuana, but it does not protect them from administrative action against a license. So there is no criminal actions here against Mr. Diaz, it’s a licensing action that still falls in line with our rule 303 prohibiting use of a banned substance, and at this time in regards to athletic competition marijuana is still considered banned. So that’s what we came back to Cesar with." This is what I mean

“Cesar asked for a legal opinion and at that point I’m obligated to give it to him. I went back to the department’s legal team, and what they clarified was that the passionate use act in California will protect people from criminal prosecution for the use of medicinal marijuana, but it does not protect them from administrative action against a license. So there is no criminal actions here against Mr. Diaz, it’s a licensing action that still falls in line with our rule 303 prohibiting use of a banned substance, and at this time in regards to athletic competition marijuana is still considered banned. So that’s what we came back to Cesar with.”

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107870 edub Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:05:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107870 What u mean? What u mean?

]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107871 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:04:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107871 And by the way, was that really necessary- "and how would you know were you there" Really? And by the way, was that really necessary- “and how would you know were you there”

Really?

]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107869 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:02:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107869 Blame his coach. He's the one that wanted the legal opinion. Blame his coach. He’s the one that wanted the legal opinion.

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107865 edub Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:58:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107865 They gave him multiple chances to take a test they knew he was going to fail. How bout they just go back to the agreement Garcia and Diaz made before he left instead of "Going above and beyond". They gave him multiple chances to take a test they knew he was going to fail. How bout they just go back to the agreement Garcia and Diaz made before he left instead of “Going above and beyond”.

]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107863 ozz_the_powerful Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:53:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107863 They didn't go above and beyond? Did you even read the story? They gave him multiple chances to come in and get his test done. They didn’t go above and beyond? Did you even read the story? They gave him multiple chances to come in and get his test done.

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107862 edub Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:50:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107862 And why didnt he let Diaz know his old agreement with Garcia was going to be completely thrown out back in November. And why didnt he let Diaz know his old agreement with Garcia was going to be completely thrown out back in November.

]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107861 edub Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:48:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107861 They didnt go above an beyond accomodating(and how would you know were you there). They pretty much tried to screw him over knowing he was going by an old agreement with Armando Garcia. They didnt go above an beyond accomodating(and how would you know were you there). They pretty much tried to screw him over knowing he was going by an old agreement with Armando Garcia.

]]> By: mac wilson http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/10/diaz-out-jesse-taylor-in-to-face-hieron-at-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-107853 mac wilson Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:17:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16315#comment-107853 Jesse Taylor is one pure wrestler who still manages to be exciting and I'm happy to see him get such an opportunity. He got thrown off TUF.....but not cause he was a bad guy. There were guys on the show that were way easier to dislike and they got away with other things. (not that he should have gotten away with what he did....I completely agree about the fact that he should have been booted since it was in the casino in public). My only point is that I'm glad things are starting to turn up for him. I always thought he was a good guy. Let's hope all those sort of behaviours are behind him and he can enjoy a long career. I think he has plenty of potential. Jesse Taylor is one pure wrestler who still manages to be exciting and I’m happy to see him get such an opportunity.

He got thrown off TUF…..but not cause he was a bad guy. There were guys on the show that were way easier to dislike and they got away with other things. (not that he should have gotten away with what he did….I completely agree about the fact that he should have been booted since it was in the casino in public). My only point is that I’m glad things are starting to turn up for him. I always thought he was a good guy. Let’s hope all those sort of behaviours are behind him and he can enjoy a long career. I think he has plenty of potential.

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