Comments on: The Birth Of Strikeforce: How Saturday’s event ushered in a new era of MMA http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 23:36:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115892 edub Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:07:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115892 "edub, you have Michael Bisping instead of Belfort in your top 10 MW? Hmmmm….." Good point. Shields and Lawler are supposed to be switched too. I cant believe Belfort slipped my mind. Edited* MW: 10. Shields, 9. Akiyama, 8. Bisping, 7. Belfort, 6. Jorge Santiago, 5. Demian Maia, 4. Nate Marquardt, 3. Yushin Okami. 2. Dan Henderson, 1. Anderson That knocked out Lawler boo. “edub, you have Michael Bisping instead of Belfort in your top 10 MW? Hmmmm…..”

Good point.

Shields and Lawler are supposed to be switched too. I cant believe Belfort slipped my mind.

Edited*
MW: 10. Shields, 9. Akiyama, 8. Bisping, 7. Belfort, 6. Jorge Santiago, 5. Demian Maia, 4. Nate Marquardt, 3. Yushin Okami. 2. Dan Henderson, 1. Anderson

That knocked out Lawler boo.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115863 Sergio Hernandez Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:44:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115863 UFC has a stranglehold on WW and LHW and is pretty much smothering MW. LW and HW will always be a toss-up. I wholeheartedly believe that Aoki would lose by MURDERDEATHKILL against the upper tier of UFC LW talent (Penn, Sanchez, Sherk, Maynard, etc.). That kid has sick, sick, SICK jitsu but he has no stand-up and most guys in the UFC cut down to 155 and will be massive compared to Magic Pants. UFC has a stranglehold on WW and LHW and is pretty much smothering MW.

LW and HW will always be a toss-up. I wholeheartedly believe that Aoki would lose by MURDERDEATHKILL against the upper tier of UFC LW talent (Penn, Sanchez, Sherk, Maynard, etc.).

That kid has sick, sick, SICK jitsu but he has no stand-up and most guys in the UFC cut down to 155 and will be massive compared to Magic Pants.

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115856 Jstew3785 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:39:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115856 edub, you have Michael Bisping instead of Belfort in your top 10 MW? Hmmmm..... edub, you have Michael Bisping instead of Belfort in your top 10 MW? Hmmmm…..

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115847 edub Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:33:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115847 so u were right with respect to lw thru hw. 78% so u were right with respect to lw thru hw. 78%

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115843 edub Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:29:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115843 Here it is logic hw thru lw IMO: HW: 10. Arlovski, 9. Brett Rogers, 8.Cain Velasquez, 7. Shane Carwin, 6. Nogueira, 5. Couture, 4. Josh Barnett, 3. Frank Mir, 2. Brock Lesnar, 1. Fedor LHW: 10. Gegard Mousasi, 9. Rich Franklin, 8. Luiz Cane, 7. Thiago Silva, 6. Keith Jardine, 5. Shogun, 4. Forrest, 3. Rampage, 2. Rashad, 1. Lyoto MW: 10. Shields, 9. Lawler, 8. Akiyama, 7. Michael Bisping, 6. Jorge Santiago, 5. Demian Maia, 4. Nate Marquardt, 3. Yushin Okami. 2. Dan Henderson, 1. Anderson WW: 10. Dan Hardy, 9. Karo Pariysian, 8. Paulo Thiago, 7. Carlos Condit, 6. Martin Kampman, 5. Josh Koscheck, 4. Mike Swick, 3. Thiago Alves, 2. Jon Fitch, 1. GSP LW: 10. Tyson Griffin, 9. Sherk, 8. Kawajiri, 7. Frankie Edgar, 6. Gray Maynard, 5. Alvarez, 4. Diego Sanchez, 3. Ken flo, 2. Aoki, 1. BJ Here it is logic hw thru lw IMO:

HW: 10. Arlovski, 9. Brett Rogers, 8.Cain Velasquez, 7. Shane Carwin, 6. Nogueira, 5. Couture, 4. Josh Barnett, 3. Frank Mir, 2. Brock Lesnar, 1. Fedor

LHW: 10. Gegard Mousasi, 9. Rich Franklin, 8. Luiz Cane, 7. Thiago Silva, 6. Keith Jardine, 5. Shogun, 4. Forrest, 3. Rampage, 2. Rashad, 1. Lyoto

MW: 10. Shields, 9. Lawler, 8. Akiyama, 7. Michael Bisping, 6. Jorge Santiago, 5. Demian Maia, 4. Nate Marquardt, 3. Yushin Okami. 2. Dan Henderson, 1. Anderson

WW: 10. Dan Hardy, 9. Karo Pariysian, 8. Paulo Thiago, 7. Carlos Condit, 6. Martin Kampman, 5. Josh Koscheck, 4. Mike Swick, 3. Thiago Alves, 2. Jon Fitch, 1. GSP

LW: 10. Tyson Griffin, 9. Sherk, 8. Kawajiri, 7. Frankie Edgar, 6. Gray Maynard, 5. Alvarez, 4. Diego Sanchez, 3. Ken flo, 2. Aoki, 1. BJ

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115817 edub Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:45:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115817 "P.S. Edub 90% is 45 out of the top 50 …Mousasi, Fedor, Filho, Diaz, Shields, Aoki, Hansen, JZ, Misaki, Jacare etc (it is already down to 80%) and surely you can’t dispute those names can you? if so I can name a few more." Um yea i would pull Jacare, Filho, Hansen, JZ, and Misaki off that list. Haha sorry dude not even trying to pick an argument with you. I would actually put Kawajiri, Melendez, and Hirota ahead of them. Also i dont think your adding n bantam and feather to ur equation. “P.S. Edub 90% is 45 out of the top 50 …Mousasi, Fedor, Filho, Diaz, Shields, Aoki, Hansen, JZ, Misaki, Jacare etc (it is already down to 80%) and surely you can’t dispute those names can you? if so I can name a few more.”

Um yea i would pull Jacare, Filho, Hansen, JZ, and Misaki off that list. Haha sorry dude not even trying to pick an argument with you. I would actually put Kawajiri, Melendez, and Hirota ahead of them. Also i dont think your adding
n bantam and feather to ur equation.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-115595 mu_shin Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:36:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-115595 Rather than characterizing the UFC and Strikeforce as rival promotions intent on putting one another out of business, it may be more realistic to recognize that the market seems to be proving that there is room for both. As long as Strikeforce is not producing and promoting PPV events, there really is no direct financial competition for the UFC's primary revenue stream, and as noted by my many posters here at 5 ozs., while Strikeforce has signed Fedor, they are primarily signing fighters who have either been released by the UFC or who have not fought at the elite level in their careers. They certainly have some top caliber fighters, but for the most part, Strikeforce seems to be emerging as a proving ground, or a minor league feeder program, providing more MMA entertainment for the fans, and opportunities for second tier and emerging fighters to gain experience and make some money, as well as a much higher level outlet for women's MMA. Have to agree that the broadcast team for the Carano/Cyborg event was not quite up to par, but hopefully they will have an opportunity to learn and grow. Mousasi was a revelation, and the main event was compelling, entertaining, and hopefully a precursor to more high quality women's matches. I'm not looking to Strikeforce to be the UFC. For me, if they put on entertaining quality matches, I'll watch and enjoy them for what they are, and continue to do the same with UFC/WEC. Rather than characterizing the UFC and Strikeforce as rival promotions intent on putting one another out of business, it may be more realistic to recognize that the market seems to be proving that there is room for both.

As long as Strikeforce is not producing and promoting PPV events, there really is no direct financial competition for the UFC’s primary revenue stream, and as noted by my many posters here at 5 ozs., while Strikeforce has signed Fedor, they are primarily signing fighters who have either been released by the UFC or who have not fought at the elite level in their careers. They certainly have some top caliber fighters, but for the most part, Strikeforce seems to be emerging as a proving ground, or a minor league feeder program, providing more MMA entertainment for the fans, and opportunities for second tier and emerging fighters to gain experience and make some money, as well as a much higher level outlet for women’s MMA.

Have to agree that the broadcast team for the Carano/Cyborg event was not quite up to par, but hopefully they will have an opportunity to learn and grow. Mousasi was a revelation, and the main event was compelling, entertaining, and hopefully a precursor to more high quality women’s matches. I’m not looking to Strikeforce to be the UFC. For me, if they put on entertaining quality matches, I’ll watch and enjoy them for what they are, and continue to do the same with UFC/WEC.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-114193 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:01:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-114193 It was just a joke Sergio (not a very funny one). I will concede it was after the bell and a little low. I was only talking UFC not Zuffa! by the way and out of those 5 divisions that the UFC has I would say it is about 70% top 10s and I would guess about 40% top 20s. That is largely due to WW and LHW where the UFC has about 8 WW and 9 out of 10 LHW in the top Tier. Still disagree about MW though I think 50/50 is closer and I'm not convinced about Kongo, Carwin or Valasquez (or Couture but that's another story) in HW but I guess we'll see. Just to clarify Carwin, Kongo and Valasquez have only really fought and won against 1 top 20 fighter, if i remember correctly let alone top 10 and it wasn't exactly convincing in any of those encounters, so I think more time is needed before we talk top tier for those guys. Anyway at least another org is gathering a formidable group of fighters to compete with the UFC now that Pride is dead (RIP). I apologize for being a dick, never post angry I guess. P.S. Edub 90% is 45 out of the top 50 ...Mousasi, Fedor, Filho, Diaz, Shields, Aoki, Hansen, JZ, Misaki, Jacare etc (it is already down to 80%) and surely you can't dispute those names can you? if so I can name a few more. It was just a joke Sergio (not a very funny one). I will concede it was after the bell and a little low.
I was only talking UFC not Zuffa! by the way and out of those 5 divisions that the UFC has I would say it is about 70% top 10s and I would guess about 40% top 20s. That is largely due to WW and LHW where the UFC has about 8 WW and 9 out of 10 LHW in the top Tier. Still disagree about MW though I think 50/50 is closer and I’m not convinced about Kongo, Carwin or Valasquez (or Couture but that’s another story) in HW but I guess we’ll see. Just to clarify Carwin, Kongo and Valasquez have only really fought and won against 1 top 20 fighter, if i remember correctly let alone top 10 and it wasn’t exactly convincing in any of those encounters, so I think more time is needed before we talk top tier for those guys.

Anyway at least another org is gathering a formidable group of fighters to compete with the UFC now that Pride is dead (RIP).
I apologize for being a dick, never post angry I guess.

P.S. Edub 90% is 45 out of the top 50 …Mousasi, Fedor, Filho, Diaz, Shields, Aoki, Hansen, JZ, Misaki, Jacare etc (it is already down to 80%) and surely you can’t dispute those names can you? if so I can name a few more.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-114012 edub Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:00:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-114012 "Rumor is Shields vs Mayhem Miller for the interim championship." ??? Theyre giving Mayhem a shot before Jacare? ANy word of whos fighting Cyborg first? “Rumor is Shields vs Mayhem Miller for the interim championship.”

??? Theyre giving Mayhem a shot before Jacare? ANy word of whos fighting Cyborg first?

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113984 moosebaby02 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:39:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113984 Good article. A few things I have an issue with. Yes maybe Strikeforce is leaps and bounds ahead of where the UFC was at the same time but I do believe if not for the UFC that wouldn’t be possible at all. UFC broke the ground for all MMA organizations to be successful and they went though way more hard times in the beganing with less talent. The only match up I don’t like is Gegard Mousasi vs. Kevin Randleman. Randleman is a face the some people know but not enough for anyone to really take serious at least for the hardcore fans. And is just me or wasn’t that fight with Carano and Cyborg one sided? and I have to agree with not showing the pre-lims after a really entertaining card was shitty. I hope they can make some noise with what they got. I don’t remember when I said it but if Strikeforce and only Strikeforce call all the shots then can be successful. Good article. A few things I have an issue with. Yes maybe Strikeforce is leaps and bounds ahead of where the UFC was at the same time but I do believe if not for the UFC that wouldn’t be possible at all. UFC broke the ground for all MMA organizations to be successful and they went though way more hard times in the beganing with less talent. The only match up I don’t like is Gegard Mousasi vs. Kevin Randleman. Randleman is a face the some people know but not enough for anyone to really take serious at least for the hardcore fans.
And is just me or wasn’t that fight with Carano and Cyborg one sided? and I have to agree with not showing the pre-lims after a really entertaining card was shitty. I hope they can make some noise with what they got.
I don’t remember when I said it but if Strikeforce and only Strikeforce call all the shots then can be successful.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113943 metalmulisha Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:06:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113943 Rumor is Shields vs Mayhem Miller for the interim championship. Rumor is Shields vs Mayhem Miller for the interim championship.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113891 edub Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:33:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113891 Edit* “You know what, LOGIC, I will concede my 90-95% quote was incorrect. I’ve got dick to do at work so I went through and actually crunched the numbers. If you take the divisions, bantam to heavy, Zuffa has 51 out of 70 fighters ranked in the top ten according to Bloody Elbow’s Meta-rankings. That comes out to about 73%. So about 3 out of 4 top ten fighters are contracted by Zuffa.” Going further… besides feather, light, and heavyweight, Zuffa has a lock on every division with 8 or 9 fighters in the top ten. That’s about 88% of bantamweight fighters and fighters between 170 and 205 pounds. So yeah, 90-95% was high but the numbers don’t lie. Zuffa has most of the top talent." And thats being generous to non Zuffa orgs with the 155lb and hw divisions I would guess. I would agree that with your 90% first observation. I still think most sites hold the lw division overseas to high. Edit*

“You know what, LOGIC, I will concede my 90-95% quote was incorrect.

I’ve got dick to do at work so I went through and actually crunched the numbers.

If you take the divisions, bantam to heavy, Zuffa has 51 out of 70 fighters ranked in the top ten according to Bloody Elbow’s Meta-rankings. That comes out to about 73%. So about 3 out of 4 top ten fighters are contracted by Zuffa.”

Going further… besides feather, light, and heavyweight, Zuffa has a lock on every division with 8 or 9 fighters in the top ten. That’s about 88% of bantamweight fighters and fighters between 170 and 205 pounds.

So yeah, 90-95% was high but the numbers don’t lie. Zuffa has most of the top talent.”

And thats being generous to non Zuffa orgs with the 155lb and hw divisions I would guess.

I would agree that with your 90% first observation.

I still think most sites hold the lw division overseas to high.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113888 edub Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:32:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113888 "You know what, LOGIC, I will concede my 90-95% quote was incorrect. I’ve got dick to do at work so I went through and actually crunched the numbers. If you take the divisions, bantam to heavy, Zuffa has 51 out of 70 fighters ranked in the top ten according to Bloody Elbow’s Meta-rankings. That comes out to about 73%. So about 3 out of 4 top ten fighters are contracted by Zuffa." And thats being generous to non Zuffa orgs with the 155lb and hw divisions I would guess. I would agree that with your 90% first observation. I still think most sites hold the lw division overseas to high. Going further… besides feather, light, and heavyweight, Zuffa has a lock on every division with 8 or 9 fighters in the top ten. That’s about 88% of bantamweight fighters and fighters between 170 and 205 pounds. So yeah, 90-95% was high but the numbers don’t lie. Zuffa has most of the top talent. “You know what, LOGIC, I will concede my 90-95% quote was incorrect.

I’ve got dick to do at work so I went through and actually crunched the numbers.

If you take the divisions, bantam to heavy, Zuffa has 51 out of 70 fighters ranked in the top ten according to Bloody Elbow’s Meta-rankings. That comes out to about 73%. So about 3 out of 4 top ten fighters are contracted by Zuffa.”

And thats being generous to non Zuffa orgs with the 155lb and hw divisions I would guess.

I would agree that with your 90% first observation.

I still think most sites hold the lw division overseas to high.

Going further… besides feather, light, and heavyweight, Zuffa has a lock on every division with 8 or 9 fighters in the top ten. That’s about 88% of bantamweight fighters and fighters between 170 and 205 pounds.

So yeah, 90-95% was high but the numbers don’t lie. Zuffa has most of the top talent.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113875 Sergio Hernandez Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:23:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113875 You know what, LOGIC, I will concede my 90-95% quote was incorrect. I've got dick to do at work so I went through and actually crunched the numbers. If you take the divisions, bantam to heavy, Zuffa has 51 out of 70 fighters ranked in the top ten according to Bloody Elbow's Meta-rankings. That comes out to about 73%. So about 3 out of 4 top ten fighters are contracted by Zuffa. Going further... besides feather, light, and heavyweight, Zuffa has a lock on every division with 8 or 9 fighters in the top ten. That's about 88% of bantamweight fighters and fighters between 170 and 205 pounds. So yeah, 90-95% was high but the numbers don't lie. Zuffa has most of the top talent. You know what, LOGIC, I will concede my 90-95% quote was incorrect.

I’ve got dick to do at work so I went through and actually crunched the numbers.

If you take the divisions, bantam to heavy, Zuffa has 51 out of 70 fighters ranked in the top ten according to Bloody Elbow’s Meta-rankings. That comes out to about 73%. So about 3 out of 4 top ten fighters are contracted by Zuffa.

Going further… besides feather, light, and heavyweight, Zuffa has a lock on every division with 8 or 9 fighters in the top ten. That’s about 88% of bantamweight fighters and fighters between 170 and 205 pounds.

So yeah, 90-95% was high but the numbers don’t lie. Zuffa has most of the top talent.

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113835 Jstew3785 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:51:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113835 Wow, I gotta go with Sergio again by unanimous decision. Wow, I gotta go with Sergio again by unanimous decision.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113824 Sergio Hernandez Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:37:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113824 "Sergio wtf you really piss me off dude, like 90-95% piss me off. P4P means sweet f#ck all anyway so lay off and Randleman is a good, if not great fighter that excites a lot of people. I have a feeling if Dana had told you they were exciting or if they were both in the UFC you would be a little more supportive. LoL." Sorry my opinions "piss you off," bro. And Curry brought up pound for pound rankings so if you want to piss and moan at someone, you can click his name and shoot him an email. And Randleman is not a great fighter. He was UFC champion back when all wrestlers had to do was hold someone down and pound out a decision. It's a different game now. He never evolved and minus his KO win over CroCop, he's done fuck all since like 2001. His cardio is a joke and putting him in a LHW title fight against Mousasi would be a joke. “Sergio wtf you really piss me off dude, like 90-95% piss me off. P4P means sweet f#ck all anyway so lay off and Randleman is a good, if not great fighter that excites a lot of people. I have a feeling if Dana had told you they were exciting or if they were both in the UFC you would be a little more supportive. LoL.”

Sorry my opinions “piss you off,” bro. And Curry brought up pound for pound rankings so if you want to piss and moan at someone, you can click his name and shoot him an email.

And Randleman is not a great fighter. He was UFC champion back when all wrestlers had to do was hold someone down and pound out a decision. It’s a different game now. He never evolved and minus his KO win over CroCop, he’s done fuck all since like 2001.

His cardio is a joke and putting him in a LHW title fight against Mousasi would be a joke.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113642 edub Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:44:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113642 Man Im usually not on this early but Logic your hate is something great to wake up to. I got a couple things for ya. 1. Im hyped for Dream/Strikforce(Manhoef vs. Lawler please please please make this happen.) 2. Ive been hyped for Shamrock vs. Sakuraba for years ever since the Tito fight. I thought Frank would pwn him then and I think it would be the same now. Although it would be nice to see Saku get a W. 3. Are you really gonna agree with Randleman being a legit threat/good opponent for Mousasi. The guy is years past his prime and just lost to Mike Whitehead. Now that I think about it Whitehead would be a better match up against Mousasi. But he just lost to Babalu last year and Mousasi Pwned Babalu so I dunno. I think if theyre gonna have exciting matchups for Mousasi there gonna have to have guys move up or him move down.(Maybe a catchweight fight for him against Lawler!!) Man Im usually not on this early but Logic your hate is something great to wake up to.

I got a couple things for ya.
1. Im hyped for Dream/Strikforce(Manhoef vs. Lawler please please please make this happen.)
2. Ive been hyped for Shamrock vs. Sakuraba for years ever since the Tito fight. I thought Frank would pwn him then and I think it would be the same now. Although it would be nice to see Saku get a W.
3. Are you really gonna agree with Randleman being a legit threat/good opponent for Mousasi. The guy is years past his prime and just lost to Mike Whitehead. Now that I think about it Whitehead would be a better match up against Mousasi. But he just lost to Babalu last year and Mousasi Pwned Babalu so I dunno. I think if theyre gonna have exciting matchups for Mousasi there gonna have to have guys move up or him move down.(Maybe a catchweight fight for him against Lawler!!)

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113556 MMA-LOGIC Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:55:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113556 Sergio wtf you really piss me off dude, like 90-95% piss me off. P4P means sweet f#ck all anyway so lay off and Randleman is a good, if not great fighter that excites a lot of people. I have a feeling if Dana had told you they were exciting or if they were both in the UFC you would be a little more supportive. LoL. I'm really excited about the knew Strikeforce/Dream/M1 mix and I hope it keeps the UFC honest. The cards will be just as if not more exciting than the UFC's (I'm hoping). How bout Sakuraba vs Shamrock. Sergio wtf you really piss me off dude, like 90-95% piss me off. P4P means sweet f#ck all anyway so lay off and Randleman is a good, if not great fighter that excites a lot of people. I have a feeling if Dana had told you they were exciting or if they were both in the UFC you would be a little more supportive. LoL.
I’m really excited about the knew Strikeforce/Dream/M1 mix and I hope it keeps the UFC honest. The cards will be just as if not more exciting than the UFC’s (I’m hoping).
How bout Sakuraba vs Shamrock.

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]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113531 hindsightufuk Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:21:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113531 Mousasi/Randleman would be a walk over for Gegard Also on a side note, Chinas Art Of War is really picking up the pace the days, been some great fights in the last two cards and the production is quality. Would be nice to see it get some coverage. Mousasi/Randleman would be a walk over for Gegard

Also on a side note, Chinas Art Of War is really picking up the pace the days, been some great fights in the last two cards and the production is quality. Would be nice to see it get some coverage.

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]]> By: Jstew3785 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/20/the-birth-of-strikeforce-how-saturday%e2%80%99s-event-ushered-in-a-new-era-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-113150 Jstew3785 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:57:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16583#comment-113150 metal, you're not a fan of "It is all over!!!" metal, you’re not a fan of “It is all over!!!”

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