Comments on: Frank Mir: ‘[Joe] Rogan’s making excuses for certain fighters’ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 23:36:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122076 edub Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:11:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122076 "Tim Silvia (it’s Tim do i need to say more)" When he defeated Sylvia in that fight Tim was probably the #3 ranked HW in the world. He had just come back from the steroid suspension and was a hell of a world beater. I give Frank all the respect in the world for pulling off that sub because it proved he has probably the most powerful submissions in the world. Tim was almost out and frank just kept it on even though his hips were past the elbow and snapped his freakin forearm. That was pretty damn impressive. “Tim Silvia (it’s Tim do i need to say more)”

When he defeated Sylvia in that fight Tim was probably the #3 ranked HW in the world. He had just come back from the steroid suspension and was a hell of a world beater. I give Frank all the respect in the world for pulling off that sub because it proved he has probably the most powerful submissions in the world. Tim was almost out and frank just kept it on even though his hips were past the elbow and snapped his freakin forearm. That was pretty damn impressive.

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]]> By: TerribleT http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122073 TerribleT Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:02:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122073 Beating Nogueira was the biggest win of his career and it was also a stand up highlight reel and Mir's known as a submission fighter. So he must have been elated to have put Nogueira away with his fists and to have Rogan shit on his finest accomplishment by making excuses for Nogueira is bullshit and Mir has every right to be upset and fire back. Beating Nogueira was the biggest win of his career and it was also a stand up highlight reel and Mir’s known as a submission fighter. So he must have been elated to have put Nogueira away with his fists and to have Rogan shit on his finest accomplishment by making excuses for Nogueira is bullshit and Mir has every right to be upset and fire back.

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]]> By: xtreme_machine http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122036 xtreme_machine Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:23:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122036 the only true guys he has beaten are: Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (Nog has hurt and should not have taken this fight) Tim Silvia (it's Tim do i need to say more) Brock Lesnar (He was to green and made a simple mistake) he can talk but he is a product of the UFC hype machine. the only true guys he has beaten are:

Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (Nog has hurt and should not have taken this fight)
Tim Silvia (it’s Tim do i need to say more)
Brock Lesnar (He was to green and made a simple mistake)

he can talk but he is a product of the UFC hype machine.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122035 edub Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:21:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122035 U guys got a good discussion going on. I always thought the key to ranking should be based on your list of accomplishments and your talent level. Like Overeem holds one win over a top ten Kharitonov in 2006(I believe) and three straight wins over journey men, but I had him in my top ten until his recent shunning of Strikeforce for K1. Also his Physique and the lack of testing in Japan leaves a very big question mark on his head.(Like Mulisha made a decent point in who would be the favorite in a fight with him and Couture, but the fact is would Overeem even be able to pass the prefight drug screen to get his license.) As for Nog, Mir, and Couture I think they are all still in the top ten. I got Mir#3, Nog#4, and Randy#8. U guys got a good discussion going on. I always thought the key to ranking should be based on your list of accomplishments and your talent level. Like Overeem holds one win over a top ten Kharitonov in 2006(I believe) and three straight wins over journey men, but I had him in my top ten until his recent shunning of Strikeforce for K1. Also his Physique and the lack of testing in Japan leaves a very big question mark on his head.(Like Mulisha made a decent point in who would be the favorite in a fight with him and Couture, but the fact is would Overeem even be able to pass the prefight drug screen to get his license.)

As for Nog, Mir, and Couture I think they are all still in the top ten. I got Mir#3, Nog#4, and Randy#8.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122024 Sergio Hernandez Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:47:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122024 How do you determine how good a fighter is without looking at what they've done? We don't really know how "good" Overeem is because he's done jackshit at HW. While Randy easily lost all 3 rounds, he did go 15 minutes with a perennial Top 5 HW in Big Nog. How do you determine how good a fighter is without looking at what they’ve done?

We don’t really know how “good” Overeem is because he’s done jackshit at HW. While Randy easily lost all 3 rounds, he did go 15 minutes with a perennial Top 5 HW in Big Nog.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122008 metalmulisha Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:02:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122008 Accomplishments are impressive when evaluating someones career but rankings IMO should be based on how good fighters are now in the present and where they stand. And right now Randy is not top 10 material. Accomplishments are impressive when evaluating someones career but rankings IMO should be based on how good fighters are now in the present and where they stand.

And right now Randy is not top 10 material.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122005 Sergio Hernandez Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:55:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122005 "As far as Overeem goes. If you don’t think he’s top 10 material, but Couture is what do you think would happen if they fought now both at 100% healthy?" I rank fighters by their accomplishments, not What If? scenerios. “As far as Overeem goes. If you don’t think he’s top 10 material, but Couture is what do you think would happen if they fought now both at 100% healthy?”

I rank fighters by their accomplishments, not What If? scenerios.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122004 Sergio Hernandez Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:54:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122004 Then Overeem shouldn't. Rogers shouldn't. Barnett shouldn't. Then Overeem shouldn’t. Rogers shouldn’t.

Barnett shouldn’t.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-122003 metalmulisha Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:54:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-122003 I go by what I see now from Couture not what he did to Gonzaga in 2007. Which at his age is like a lifetime ago he is a totally different fighter. He looks very different physically from when he came back and beat Sylvia and Gonzaga he's lost a lot of muscle and looks old honestly. I mean the guy was floored twice by Nogueira (who's not exactly in his prime either) and Nogueira has never been known as a guy with one punch power. Plus he lost every round to Nogueira, and was really never in that fight. Even at the end of round three when he had dominant position Nogueira reversed him and was about to beat on him some more until the bell sounded. As far as Overeem goes. If you don't think he's top 10 material, but Couture is what do you think would happen if they fought now both at 100% healthy? If Randy can't take punches from Nogueira he would get blown away by Overeem. I go by what I see now from Couture not what he did to Gonzaga in 2007. Which at his age is like a lifetime ago he is a totally different fighter. He looks very different physically from when he came back and beat Sylvia and Gonzaga he’s lost a lot of muscle and looks old honestly.

I mean the guy was floored twice by Nogueira (who’s not exactly in his prime either) and Nogueira has never been known as a guy with one punch power. Plus he lost every round to Nogueira, and was really never in that fight. Even at the end of round three when he had dominant position Nogueira reversed him and was about to beat on him some more until the bell sounded.

As far as Overeem goes. If you don’t think he’s top 10 material, but Couture is what do you think would happen if they fought now both at 100% healthy?
If Randy can’t take punches from Nogueira he would get blown away by Overeem.

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]]> By: cocoonofhorror http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121994 cocoonofhorror Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:24:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121994 no chance Murr is top 10. no chance Murr is top 10.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121992 Sergio Hernandez Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:21:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121992 Randy beat Sylvia and Gonzaga during a time when they both ranked Top 10. Since then he's only lost to Lesnar and Nog. His loss to Lesnar should have definitely dropped him into the bottom half to the Top 10 but his loss to Nog affects Randy's ranking very little. Mir TKOed the #2-3 HW. He deserves to be in the Top 10. Overeem, like Lawler, have done next to nothing short of winning three or four fights in a row to get their Top 10 ranking. Hunt? Goodridge? Buentello? Not exactly a murderer's row there. Randy beat Sylvia and Gonzaga during a time when they both ranked Top 10. Since then he’s only lost to Lesnar and Nog. His loss to Lesnar should have definitely dropped him into the bottom half to the Top 10 but his loss to Nog affects Randy’s ranking very little.

Mir TKOed the #2-3 HW. He deserves to be in the Top 10.

Overeem, like Lawler, have done next to nothing short of winning three or four fights in a row to get their Top 10 ranking. Hunt? Goodridge? Buentello? Not exactly a murderer’s row there.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121978 metalmulisha Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:51:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121978 Overeem has been in the top 10 for awhile, but sherdog just dropped him from their top 10 rankings because of inactivity. The whole rankings system is a joke anyway. There's no way in hell Randy Couture is still a top 10 heavyweight, but yet he's in every major websites top 10. And the rankings that have Frank Mir at 3 or 4 is an absolute crime. That guy isn't even a top 10 heavyweight regardless of what he or Joe Silva wants you to believe. Overeem has been in the top 10 for awhile, but sherdog just dropped him from their top 10 rankings because of inactivity.

The whole rankings system is a joke anyway. There’s no way in hell Randy Couture is still a top 10 heavyweight, but yet he’s in every major websites top 10.

And the rankings that have Frank Mir at 3 or 4 is an absolute crime. That guy isn’t even a top 10 heavyweight regardless of what he or Joe Silva wants you to believe.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121961 Sergio Hernandez Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:36:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121961 Overeem is not top 10. Werdum is borderline top 10. And how is Rogers that much different than Carwin or Velasquez according to your logic? Rogers win over Arlovski is more impressive than beating Gonzaga or Kongo but those are the only legit fighters each fighter has beaten. Overeem is not top 10. Werdum is borderline top 10.

And how is Rogers that much different than Carwin or Velasquez according to your logic? Rogers win over Arlovski is more impressive than beating Gonzaga or Kongo but those are the only legit fighters each fighter has beaten.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121825 MMA-LOGIC Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:05:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121825 "I think everybody, every morning should wake up with something to prove. The minute you think you don’t think you have something to prove, retire, go home and disappear." You idiot Mir. He has been proving it against Sylvia (top 10 2x UFC champion)and Arlovski (top 10 UFC champion), was going to prove it against Barnett(top 10 UFC champion), is now going to prove it against Rogers, Werdum(top 10) and Overeem(top 10) etc. What a dumb thing to say. Why don't you fight Barnett, Monson, Werdum, Overeem, Kharitonov, Rogers, Aleks, Arlovski and Fedor Mir? Maybe you should just stay in the UFC, where according to you no one has anything to prove even though at least half of the true top 10 is (Couture 5-6 at HW over the last 10 years, Valasquez 1 win over a top 20 fighter and Carwin 1 win over a top 20 fighter, should not be considered top 10 yet), or just retire...your idiotic opinions. “I think everybody, every morning should wake up with something to prove. The minute you think you don’t think you have something to prove, retire, go home and disappear.”
You idiot Mir. He has been proving it against Sylvia (top 10 2x UFC champion)and Arlovski (top 10 UFC champion), was going to prove it against Barnett(top 10 UFC champion), is now going to prove it against Rogers, Werdum(top 10) and Overeem(top 10) etc. What a dumb thing to say. Why don’t you fight Barnett, Monson, Werdum, Overeem, Kharitonov, Rogers, Aleks, Arlovski and Fedor Mir? Maybe you should just stay in the UFC, where according to you no one has anything to prove even though at least half of the true top 10 is (Couture 5-6 at HW over the last 10 years, Valasquez 1 win over a top 20 fighter and Carwin 1 win over a top 20 fighter, should not be considered top 10 yet), or just retire…your idiotic opinions.

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]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121814 hindsightufuk Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:00:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121814 neijia says: His analysis of fights and fighters is almost always 100% spot on. i just find his constant favoritism towards certain fighters pretty disgusting. That Torres Mizugaki fight is the worst, 25 minutes and not once did he have anything good to say about Mizugakis skills. and then running into the cage to bed bath Torres is just crazy. The Curran Benevidez fight was the same, refused to acknowledge Joseph at all, and then constantly calling Pedro Sauer Saulo Ribeiro shows a complete lack of respect or knowledge, one or the other. Especially as he apologized to Pedro at the begining of one event then later the same event called him Saulo Ribeiro again. To me thats as disrespectful as you can get neijia says: His analysis of fights and fighters is almost always 100% spot on.

i just find his constant favoritism towards certain fighters pretty disgusting. That Torres Mizugaki fight is the worst, 25 minutes and not once did he have anything good to say about Mizugakis skills. and then running into the cage to bed bath Torres is just crazy. The Curran Benevidez fight was the same, refused to acknowledge Joseph at all, and then constantly calling Pedro Sauer Saulo Ribeiro shows a complete lack of respect or knowledge, one or the other. Especially as he apologized to Pedro at the begining of one event then later the same event called him Saulo Ribeiro again. To me thats as disrespectful as you can get

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121672 BigDave Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:22:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121672 A healthy nog destroys frank in the first round and thats a fact but we won't have to worry about that because Mir is about to get knocked out by Kongo and he will be religated to undercards from them on. Disapeer Mir! A healthy nog destroys frank in the first round and thats a fact but we won’t have to worry about that because Mir is about to get knocked out by Kongo and he will be religated to undercards from them on. Disapeer Mir!

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121624 neijia Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:03:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121624 I am a huge fan of Mir because he shows he can come back and keep improving and he is absolutely one of the most articulate and smart commentators anywhere - fighters, journalists, bloggers, blog commenters, etc. His analysis of fights and fighters is almost always 100% spot on. Can't say the same for Rogan. I know Rogan was trying to play up to Nog but give me a break. Mir would certainly beat Nog again. He would lose again to Lesnar but what the heck. Probably a fight worth watching. I am a huge fan of Mir because he shows he can come back and keep improving and he is absolutely one of the most articulate and smart commentators anywhere – fighters, journalists, bloggers, blog commenters, etc. His analysis of fights and fighters is almost always 100% spot on. Can’t say the same for Rogan. I know Rogan was trying to play up to Nog but give me a break. Mir would certainly beat Nog again. He would lose again to Lesnar but what the heck. Probably a fight worth watching.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121606 edub Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:46:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121606 I think I would still on Nog in a rematch(If I still gambled). Funny thing is I would pick Urijah in the third match with Mike Brown also. (I picked Brown to win the first two fights.) I think I would still on Nog in a rematch(If I still gambled).

Funny thing is I would pick Urijah in the third match with Mike Brown also. (I picked Brown to win the first two fights.)

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121605 Angry Mike Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:37:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121605 Mir's hands looked great in the fight with 'Nog. I don't care how 'Nog was feeling, he wasn't expecting Mir to be that sharp, and nobody else did, either. Mir landed the lead uppercut at will. In contrast, Couture's striking wasn't as sharp as Mir's, and Couture's clinch with 'Nog was pretty ineffective. Maybe 'Nog was feeling better when he fought Couture, but Couture was a better match up for him, too. Mir’s hands looked great in the fight with ‘Nog. I don’t care how ‘Nog was feeling, he wasn’t expecting Mir to be that sharp, and nobody else did, either. Mir landed the lead uppercut at will. In contrast, Couture’s striking wasn’t as sharp as Mir’s, and Couture’s clinch with ‘Nog was pretty ineffective. Maybe ‘Nog was feeling better when he fought Couture, but Couture was a better match up for him, too.

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]]> By: Persian_Prince http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/01/frank-mir-joe-rogans-making-excuses-for-certain-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-121602 Persian_Prince Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:20:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16846#comment-121602 Hey Mir, its not really 1-1, maybe on paper. The fact is Brock was destroying you badly the very first time, but you got an early christmas present from referee and the rest is history. The second time you got whooped even more badly, looking like the marshmallow man from excessive beating after only a few minutes. Nobody wants to see you get beaten up by Brock anymore, its just not interesting, you are no match for him, he is way bigger, stronger, faster, and more talented than you are. Nothing worse than a guy who runs his mouth but can't back it up! Hey Mir, its not really 1-1, maybe on paper. The fact is Brock was destroying you badly the very first time, but you got an early christmas present from referee and the rest is history. The second time you got whooped even more badly, looking like the marshmallow man from excessive beating after only a few minutes. Nobody wants to see you get beaten up by Brock anymore, its just not interesting, you are no match for him, he is way bigger, stronger, faster, and more talented than you are. Nothing worse than a guy who runs his mouth but can’t back it up!

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