Comments on: The Potential Depth Of The Strikeforce Heavyweight Division http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 23:36:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: submit662266 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-124435 submit662266 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:59:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-124435 Strikeforce has great potential, no doubt about it. I do believe though, that the UFC has the top guys. This no accident. Half of the people on this list were dumped by the UFC. I thought they were hasty to get rid of Werdum, but I see the reasoning for sending the rest of them on their way. I don't want to see T. Sylvia ever fight again. Very excited to see Velasquez v. Rothwell. While the UFC has the better fighters, I'm still interested to see some of the fights that Dream/SF/M-1 will put together. I'm interested to see how co-promotion works out (will M-1 suck the business out of everyone else?). Strikeforce has great potential, no doubt about it. I do believe though, that the UFC has the top guys. This no accident. Half of the people on this list were dumped by the UFC. I thought they were hasty to get rid of Werdum, but I see the reasoning for sending the rest of them on their way. I don’t want to see T. Sylvia ever fight again. Very excited to see Velasquez v. Rothwell.

While the UFC has the better fighters, I’m still interested to see some of the fights that Dream/SF/M-1 will put together. I’m interested to see how co-promotion works out (will M-1 suck the business out of everyone else?).

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123887 edub Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:57:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123887 Mu shin pretty much explained my main position logic. Except I think Lashley is very overhyped(this is how you feel about Carwin , Cain, etc.. I understand.) So Ill just say about Randy that if there was a thread about Sakuraba, or someone mentions him I wouldnt have to bring out his record to try and tarnish his career. "“Their HW division is of right now Fedor, Brett, Werdum,….” Overeem, Aleks, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers etc, etc leave them out if you wish"... 1.Overeem has not fought for Strikeforce in god knows how long, and pretty much just skipped out on defending his title to pursue K1. 2.Aleks can't fight in the U.S. 3.Sylvia was a great HW, but who really knows if he can come back to form. He was just K Od by Ray Mercer. 4.Im a huge Arlovski fan, but how would he last a whole match with anyone in the HW division that has a little power. 5. Brett was mentioned in the sentence who I think your referring to as Rogers. Oh and Monson got booted from the UFC than immediately got Kod by Pedro Rizzo. He did just win me money in the fight against Kharitonov however. Mu shin pretty much explained my main position logic. Except I think Lashley is very overhyped(this is how you feel about Carwin , Cain, etc.. I understand.)

So Ill just say about Randy that if there was a thread about Sakuraba, or someone mentions him I wouldnt have to bring out his record to try and tarnish his career.

““Their HW division is of right now Fedor, Brett, Werdum,….” Overeem, Aleks, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers etc, etc leave them out if you wish”…

1.Overeem has not fought for Strikeforce in god knows how long, and pretty much just skipped out on defending his title to pursue K1.
2.Aleks can’t fight in the U.S.
3.Sylvia was a great HW, but who really knows if he can come back to form. He was just K Od by Ray Mercer.
4.Im a huge Arlovski fan, but how would he last a whole match with anyone in the HW division that has a little power.
5. Brett was mentioned in the sentence who I think your referring to as Rogers.

Oh and Monson got booted from the UFC than immediately got Kod by Pedro Rizzo. He did just win me money in the fight against Kharitonov however.

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]]> By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123753 mu_shin Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:11:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123753 Very comprehensive piece Cory. Definitely some possibilities out there for Strikeforce/Dream/M1, if some of these fighters can actually be brought into the fold. Have to wonder however what planet some of the 5 oz. posters inhabit, when an internet pundit thinks his LOGIC surpasses that of a soon-to-be billion dollar company that seems to be doing just fine business-wise without his financial and operating advice... Looking forward to seeing if Bobby Lashley can realize his obvious potential. Monson has major ground game, but how come he can never seem to rise to the challenge of higher level MMA? Gilbert Yvel got crushed by Barnett, and now he's the second coming? Cormier has exactly zero MMA bouts... Why is Overeem fit to kickbox but not to defend his Strikeforce title? Can Arlovski last three minutes with any real MMA striker without lapsing into unconciousness? No doubt in my mind Fedor will deliver for Strikeforce, but after he cripples Rogers, Overeem, and whoever else they line up for him, then what? Very comprehensive piece Cory. Definitely some possibilities out there for Strikeforce/Dream/M1, if some of these fighters can actually be brought into the fold.

Have to wonder however what planet some of the 5 oz. posters inhabit, when an internet pundit thinks his LOGIC surpasses that of a soon-to-be billion dollar company that seems to be doing just fine business-wise without his financial and operating advice…

Looking forward to seeing if Bobby Lashley can realize his obvious potential. Monson has major ground game, but how come he can never seem to rise to the challenge of higher level MMA? Gilbert Yvel got crushed by Barnett, and now he’s the second coming? Cormier has exactly zero MMA bouts… Why is Overeem fit to kickbox but not to defend his Strikeforce title? Can Arlovski last three minutes with any real MMA striker without lapsing into unconciousness? No doubt in my mind Fedor will deliver for Strikeforce, but after he cripples Rogers, Overeem, and whoever else they line up for him, then what?

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123751 MMA-LOGIC Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:33:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123751 Also just a note on Randy. I'm not saying I hate the guy just pointing out FACTS about his career to show people that he wasn't that good. The fact that he is in the UFC has nothing to do with it. What I am saying is that Randy is not a great fighter just a fairly good one with some big upsets. He may be a "legend" but 11-7 at HW and 4-3 at LHW is not great. So if pointing out FACTS to you, is hating on the guy what does that tell you?... thats right, you should face the facts buddy. Also just a note on Randy. I’m not saying I hate the guy just pointing out FACTS about his career to show people that he wasn’t that good. The fact that he is in the UFC has nothing to do with it. What I am saying is that Randy is not a great fighter just a fairly good one with some big upsets.
He may be a “legend” but 11-7 at HW and 4-3 at LHW is not great. So if pointing out FACTS to you, is hating on the guy what does that tell you?… thats right, you should face the facts buddy.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123748 MMA-LOGIC Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:02:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123748 Answer these questions please edub. Did you say the UFC should not have to cross promote? Why????? are you a fan of MMA or UFC, please explain. Did you just say that the above mentioned HWs are at the same mediocre level?. Based on the fact that they are...what? not in the UFC or... ??? Look Mir beat Sylvia, Vera beat Mir and Sylvia beat Vera, it is all swings and round-abouts dude there is no mediocre level in Strikeforce/Dream/M1 or the UFC. Did you know that Strikeforce and Dream and M1 are cross promoting or are you just "reaching". That is what this whole article is about read the fist few lines. "Their HW division is of right now Fedor, Brett, Werdum,…." Overeem, Aleks, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers etc, etc leave them out if you wish and assume that Kongo, Valasquez, Carwin and the rest are somehow better based on no proof whatsoever except the UFC hype machine or just a hunch you have. I'm not saying that Carwin would not beat Monson but the truth is Monson is far, far, far more accomplished and has proven far, far, far more. Lets just wait and see which fighters come through as the best. "Monson he got booted from the UFC" Yeah after he challenged for the title like Leites and Lutter and Buentello and so on. What does that tell you? UFC belt challengers are not good enough to stay in the UFC? or that you don't believe the hype?. I've also heard you say that you don't think overseas LW division should not be so highly thought of. Again why? perhaps you should revesre it and ask yourself why do I think so highly of the UFC fighters/divisions. "anti UFC bias" I said it was a draw is that anti UFC to you. Oh it is to you guys unless I say that the UFC is the best at everything it is "anti UFC". Take the glasses off edub. Answer these questions please edub.

Did you say the UFC should not have to cross promote? Why????? are you a fan of MMA or UFC, please explain.

Did you just say that the above mentioned HWs are at the same mediocre level?. Based on the fact that they are…what? not in the UFC or… ??? Look Mir beat Sylvia, Vera beat Mir and Sylvia beat Vera, it is all swings and round-abouts dude there is no mediocre level in Strikeforce/Dream/M1 or the UFC.

Did you know that Strikeforce and Dream and M1 are cross promoting or are you just “reaching”. That is what this whole article is about read the fist few lines.

“Their HW division is of right now Fedor, Brett, Werdum,….” Overeem, Aleks, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers etc, etc leave them out if you wish and assume that Kongo, Valasquez, Carwin and the rest are somehow better based on no proof whatsoever except the UFC hype machine or just a hunch you have. I’m not saying that Carwin would not beat Monson but the truth is Monson is far, far, far more accomplished and has proven far, far, far more. Lets just wait and see which fighters come through as the best.

“Monson he got booted from the UFC” Yeah after he challenged for the title like Leites and Lutter and Buentello and so on. What does that tell you? UFC belt challengers are not good enough to stay in the UFC? or that you don’t believe the hype?.

I’ve also heard you say that you don’t think overseas LW division should not be so highly thought of. Again why? perhaps you should revesre it and ask yourself why do I think so highly of the UFC fighters/divisions.

“anti UFC bias” I said it was a draw is that anti UFC to you. Oh it is to you guys unless I say that the UFC is the best at everything it is “anti UFC”.

Take the glasses off edub.

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]]> By: s00nertp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123368 s00nertp Sun, 06 Sep 2009 06:01:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123368 This is a fun list, thanks for posting. The quality of fighters is tough to judge sometimes. many of these are great. This is a fun list, thanks for posting. The quality of fighters is tough to judge sometimes. many of these are great.

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]]> By: kenonbass http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123266 kenonbass Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:50:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123266 Okay so let's get this straight... I think to call that depth or even potential depth is a stretch. Aside from Rogers who is a beast, and Overeem who is also awesome you have nothing. I'll give you Yvel, because he is so entertaining, but other than that you have a bunch of scrubs. There is no depth, what a joke. When Fedor goes through Rogers and Overeem, who cares about anyone else? Okay so let’s get this straight… I think to call that depth or even potential depth is a stretch. Aside from Rogers who is a beast, and Overeem who is also awesome you have nothing. I’ll give you Yvel, because he is so entertaining, but other than that you have a bunch of scrubs.

There is no depth, what a joke.

When Fedor goes through Rogers and Overeem, who cares about anyone else?

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123168 edub Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:41:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123168 Oh and I forgot to mention that over half of the fighters listed are not in Strikeforce. Oh and I forgot to mention that over half of the fighters listed are not in Strikeforce.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123165 edub Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:37:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123165 Logic... Didnt you see the post where I agreed to disagree with Niv who was making the exact same point as you. Or maybe you missed the one where I complemented how good that matchups "could" be if Strikeforce got all the fighters. PROBLEM is.... Their HW division is of right now Fedor, Brett, Werdum,.... not hearing too much else are ya. Overeem sorry he's a kickboxer now. Kharitonov whens the last time he won a fight. Monson he got booted from the UFC. Buentello booted. Aleks hep B. Schilt has one mma fight in the last 3 years. Sylvia and Arlovski are passed their primes(Im sure you know this since you were probably busy hating on them when they were in the UFC.) Oh and Randy is a legend and Sakuraba isnt. Oh wait they both are. I dont have to hate on someone just cuz they aren in the UFC. UFC colored glasses no no sorry I just recognize talent. I dont have to hate on something because it makes me feel like a better fan of the sport, or whatever retarted reason you have for your anti UFC bias. Logic…

Didnt you see the post where I agreed to disagree with Niv who was making the exact same point as you. Or maybe you missed the one where I complemented how good that matchups “could” be if Strikeforce got all the fighters.

PROBLEM is…. Their HW division is of right now Fedor, Brett, Werdum,….
not hearing too much else are ya. Overeem sorry he’s a kickboxer now. Kharitonov whens the last time he won a fight. Monson he got booted from the UFC. Buentello booted. Aleks hep B. Schilt has one mma fight in the last 3 years. Sylvia and Arlovski are passed their primes(Im sure you know this since you were probably busy hating on them when they were in the UFC.)

Oh and Randy is a legend and Sakuraba isnt. Oh wait they both are. I dont have to hate on someone just cuz they aren in the UFC.

UFC colored glasses no no sorry I just recognize talent. I dont have to hate on something because it makes me feel like a better fan of the sport, or whatever retarted reason you have for your anti UFC bias.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123091 neijia Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:35:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123091 @MMA-LOGIC - can't argue with your logic. Looks like about a draw. Fedor's brother is very good if they can get him cleared. A lot of the guys in both lists should be hanging up the gloves, though. Couture, Nog, Sylvia, CroCop. Couture has always been overrated. You gotta love the guy's heart and ability to compete at his age - inspirational. But purely on results he didn't prove to be at the top. Via bad mma math, if we look at the way Nog manhandled him and the way Fedor manhandled Nog, Couture-Fedor would never have been a dream matchup in hindsight. I'd like to see Mir-Nog II, Mir-Lesnar III, any Fedor fight, and Lesnar-Rogers. @MMA-LOGIC – can’t argue with your logic. Looks like about a draw. Fedor’s brother is very good if they can get him cleared. A lot of the guys in both lists should be hanging up the gloves, though. Couture, Nog, Sylvia, CroCop. Couture has always been overrated. You gotta love the guy’s heart and ability to compete at his age – inspirational. But purely on results he didn’t prove to be at the top. Via bad mma math, if we look at the way Nog manhandled him and the way Fedor manhandled Nog, Couture-Fedor would never have been a dream matchup in hindsight. I’d like to see Mir-Nog II, Mir-Lesnar III, any Fedor fight, and Lesnar-Rogers.

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]]> By: Niv http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123028 Niv Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:33:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123028 Well for those that want to see Fedor fight in the UFC here's what he said tonight on Inside MMA in an interview with Ron Kruk. The question was "Should we forget all together about a future fight with Brock Lesnar and Randy Couture or is there still a possibility?" Fedor's response was something like "This fight is going to happen sometime in the future, hopefully we and the UFC will be able to agree on the language of a future contract." Anyhow everyone should just sit back and enjoy the fights and I believe Fedor will one day mop the floor with the biggest mop he's ever seen. Well for those that want to see Fedor fight in the UFC here’s what he said tonight on Inside MMA in an interview with Ron Kruk.

The question was “Should we forget all together about a future fight with Brock Lesnar and Randy Couture or is there still a possibility?” Fedor’s response was something like “This fight is going to happen sometime in the future, hopefully we and the UFC will be able to agree on the language of a future contract.”

Anyhow everyone should just sit back and enjoy the fights and I believe Fedor will one day mop the floor with the biggest mop he’s ever seen.

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]]> By: Austin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123026 Austin Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:23:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123026 Dude. Daniel Ghita FTMFW. Expect semmy schilt to schilt his pants when they fight in 2 weeks. PLEASE DONT FORGET ABOUT XANDE RIBIERO. He may be LHW in japan, but he would own at HW if he bulked up. Dude. Daniel Ghita FTMFW. Expect semmy schilt to schilt his pants when they fight in 2 weeks.

PLEASE DONT FORGET ABOUT XANDE RIBIERO. He may be LHW in japan, but he would own at HW if he bulked up.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-123025 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:33:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-123025 Werdum 12-4 Kharitonov 16-4 Monson 38-8 (world grappling champ) Overeem 29-11 (SF champ) Fedor 30-1 (Pride champ, WAMMA champ and No.1 in the world) Aleks 15-3 Buentello 27-10 Arlovski 15-7 (UFC champ) Sylvia 24-6 (2x UFC champ) Schilt 26-14 (3x K1 champ) Up and commers Gracie, Rogers, Lawal, Lashley Puder, and Herman aswell as K1 fighters and M1 prospects. Vs Gonzaga 11-4 Mir 12-4 (ufc champ) Nog 32-5 (Pride and UFC champ) Lesnar 3-1 (UFC champ) Crocop 25-6 (Pride gp champ) Couture 16-10 (5x UFC champ) Kongo 14-5 Herring 28-14 (pride champ) Rothwell 30-6 (IFL champ) Up and comers Valasquez, Carwin, Dufee and Dos Santos etc. And the winner is...you decide but I think it is a draw and I think only Cecile peoples and those too one eyed to see reason would disagree. P.S. On another thread I was told (by hinds...something)that couture deserves to be called one of the best because of wins over Rizzo, Randleman and Smith. I agree his wins over Rizzo were good but Randleman is 17-13 and Smith is 12-13. Just because there was a lack of good HWs does not mean that a win over the best of a bad batch means more than it should. 2 of his other victories at HW came from victories over Tony Halme 0-4 and Steven Graham 2-1. Makes His HW record of 11-7 look even worse. He has been handed at least 5 of his 8 title shots without earning them too. His stats don't lie 16-10. Don't get me wrong, he has the stats of a journeyman but I do think he was better than that. Werdum 12-4
Kharitonov 16-4
Monson 38-8 (world grappling champ)
Overeem 29-11 (SF champ)
Fedor 30-1 (Pride champ, WAMMA champ and No.1 in the world)
Aleks 15-3
Buentello 27-10
Arlovski 15-7 (UFC champ)
Sylvia 24-6 (2x UFC champ)
Schilt 26-14 (3x K1 champ)
Up and commers Gracie, Rogers, Lawal, Lashley Puder, and Herman aswell as K1 fighters and M1 prospects.

Vs

Gonzaga 11-4
Mir 12-4 (ufc champ)
Nog 32-5 (Pride and UFC champ)
Lesnar 3-1 (UFC champ)
Crocop 25-6 (Pride gp champ)
Couture 16-10 (5x UFC champ)
Kongo 14-5
Herring 28-14 (pride champ)
Rothwell 30-6 (IFL champ)
Up and comers Valasquez, Carwin, Dufee and Dos Santos etc.

And the winner is…you decide but I think it is a draw and I think only Cecile peoples and those too one eyed to see reason would disagree.

P.S. On another thread I was told (by hinds…something)that couture deserves to be called one of the best because of wins over Rizzo, Randleman and Smith. I agree his wins over Rizzo were good but Randleman is 17-13 and Smith is 12-13. Just because there was a lack of good HWs does not mean that a win over the best of a bad batch means more than it should. 2 of his other victories at HW came from victories over Tony Halme 0-4 and Steven Graham 2-1. Makes His HW record of 11-7 look even worse. He has been handed at least 5 of his 8 title shots without earning them too. His stats don’t lie 16-10. Don’t get me wrong, he has the stats of a journeyman but I do think he was better than that.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122915 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:31:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122915 Semmy Schilt vs Yvel (again) Kharitonov vs Aleks (again) Fedor vs Werdum Arlovski vs Overeem Buetello vs Sylvia/Rogers Gracie vs Monson Lawal vs Lashley These fights are just as appealing as anything the UFC can put together. P.S. As fans we should all be demanding the UFC let Brock fight Fedor or GSP fight Diaz or BJ vs Aoki. I know negotiations are complicated but it seems to me that the UFC is the main road block preventing these fights from happening, infact they have often openly prevented fights such as Fedor vs Couture. Do you really think fighters should have to sign a contract such as the the UFC's restrictive contracts in order to fight in the UFC or against a UFC fighter? Or do you think a UFC fighter should be helpless when it comes to fighting outside of the UFC, I mean if Dana doesn't want you to, you don't. We should all be demanding these fights be allowed to happen, even if the fighter will not sign a binding contract with the UFC. Fighters should be more able to fight who the fans or who they choose to fight, rather than leaving it up to Dana and his mates to decide who we are ALLOWED to see. For me this is a very hard pill to swallow. Lets ask...no, demand to see the best fighters fight, lets really see who is the best. Semmy Schilt vs Yvel (again)
Kharitonov vs Aleks (again)
Fedor vs Werdum
Arlovski vs Overeem
Buetello vs Sylvia/Rogers
Gracie vs Monson
Lawal vs Lashley

These fights are just as appealing as anything the UFC can put together.

P.S. As fans we should all be demanding the UFC let Brock fight Fedor or GSP fight Diaz or BJ vs Aoki. I know negotiations are complicated but it seems to me that the UFC is the main road block preventing these fights from happening, infact they have often openly prevented fights such as Fedor vs Couture. Do you really think fighters should have to sign a contract such as the the UFC’s restrictive contracts in order to fight in the UFC or against a UFC fighter? Or do you think a UFC fighter should be helpless when it comes to fighting outside of the UFC, I mean if Dana doesn’t want you to, you don’t. We should all be demanding these fights be allowed to happen, even if the fighter will not sign a binding contract with the UFC. Fighters should be more able to fight who the fans or who they choose to fight, rather than leaving it up to Dana and his mates to decide who we are ALLOWED to see. For me this is a very hard pill to swallow. Lets ask…no, demand to see the best fighters fight, lets really see who is the best.

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]]> By: Batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122888 Batman Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:00:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122888 I honestly think that a lot of these guys could get wins in the UFC. Just because they aren't in the UFC now doesn't mean they aren't elite. Just watch when Dana White starts trying to sign these guys. I honestly think that a lot of these guys could get wins in the UFC. Just because they aren’t in the UFC now doesn’t mean they aren’t elite. Just watch when Dana White starts trying to sign these guys.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122856 MMA-LOGIC Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:24:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122856 I'll say it again edub how many top 20 HW's have Valasquez(1 if Kongo can be considered top 20), Carwin(1 hurt by Gonzaga and then caught him coming in for the kill), Kongo(1 the worst display Crocop has ever had) Duffee(0), Dos Santos(1 a disappointing Werdum) and Barry(0) beaten? Now count how many Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Overeem, Fedor, Buentello, Werdum, Aleks and Kharitonov have beaten. Mediocre level!? you assume too much dude, way too much. UFC colored glasses my friend, it is as simple as that. Open your mind to the possibility that Cain, Carwin etc are not what you assume they could be and that guys out of the UFC are not there because they are not good enough for the UFC and you will be half way there. Think about it, you have said that the UFC shouldn't have to cross promote. Why?! are you a shareholder? Don't you want to see Fedor vs Lesnar, Diaz vs GSP or Mousasi vs Silva?. As a MMA fan you think you would be crying out for the UFC to cross promote or let its fighters fight elsewhere. Why aren't you?. I’ll say it again edub how many top 20 HW’s have Valasquez(1 if Kongo can be considered top 20), Carwin(1 hurt by Gonzaga and then caught him coming in for the kill), Kongo(1 the worst display Crocop has ever had) Duffee(0), Dos Santos(1 a disappointing Werdum) and Barry(0) beaten? Now count how many Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Overeem, Fedor, Buentello, Werdum, Aleks and Kharitonov have beaten. Mediocre level!? you assume too much dude, way too much.
UFC colored glasses my friend, it is as simple as that. Open your mind to the possibility that Cain, Carwin etc are not what you assume they could be and that guys out of the UFC are not there because they are not good enough for the UFC and you will be half way there. Think about it, you have said that the UFC shouldn’t have to cross promote. Why?! are you a shareholder? Don’t you want to see Fedor vs Lesnar, Diaz vs GSP or Mousasi vs Silva?. As a MMA fan you think you would be crying out for the UFC to cross promote or let its fighters fight elsewhere. Why aren’t you?.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122788 edub Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:00:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122788 Yea but Brock had the WWE fanbase. Gracie really has no fanbase here in the US. Yea but Brock had the WWE fanbase. Gracie really has no fanbase here in the US.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122782 fanoftna33 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:24:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122782 His name is the most famous in MMA, ever. Enerybody knows the Gracie name. Brock was headlining UFC fights in only his second MMA fight without that pedigree. His name is the most famous in MMA, ever. Enerybody knows the Gracie name. Brock was headlining UFC fights in only his second MMA fight without that pedigree.

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]]> By: xtreme_machine http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122778 xtreme_machine Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:10:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122778 Roger Gracie has no mane recognition and will not draw ad much as Rogers, Werdun, or Their champion(he has not defended the title for such a long time that i forgot his name, seriously) plus he his to green as an MMA fighter. Roger Gracie has no mane recognition and will not draw ad much as Rogers, Werdun, or Their champion(he has not defended the title for such a long time that i forgot his name, seriously)

plus he his to green as an MMA fighter.

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]]> By: fanoftna33 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/04/the-potential-depth-of-the-strikeforce-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-122773 fanoftna33 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:55:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=16885#comment-122773 I think Strikeforce should match up Roger Gracie vs Fedor now, they will make a ton off that fight. I think Strikeforce should match up Roger Gracie vs Fedor now, they will make a ton off that fight.

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