Comments on: Grappling with Issues: John Curry http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 01:07:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Kuch http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127868 Kuch Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:41:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127868 The real question is when is Curry going to interview Seth again? Good to see you guys haven't missed a step. Nice way to spice up the old FoF format with some other variables. I'm still waiting for my chance to get in on one of these... I'm looking at you Conlan!! The real question is when is Curry going to interview Seth again?

Good to see you guys haven’t missed a step. Nice way to spice up the old FoF format with some other variables.

I’m still waiting for my chance to get in on one of these… I’m looking at you Conlan!!

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]]> By: Brendhan Conlan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127813 Brendhan Conlan Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:55:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127813 My mistake. Just wanted to be clear that, as someone who did the FoF over there for quite some time and is once again following in the footsteps of Michael Huckaby regarding this style of column, I'm trying to keep it fairly original. My mistake. Just wanted to be clear that, as someone who did the FoF over there for quite some time and is once again following in the footsteps of Michael Huckaby regarding this style of column, I’m trying to keep it fairly original.

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]]> By: webeougher http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127807 webeougher Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:17:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127807 Brendhan, No wrongdoing implied there, guy. Just glad to see two of my favorite 411 alumni doing battle, as it were. Sorry if that part came off wrong. Brendhan,

No wrongdoing implied there, guy. Just glad to see two of my favorite 411 alumni doing battle, as it were. Sorry if that part came off wrong.

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]]> By: Bullylover http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127802 Bullylover Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:57:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127802 I think moos might of found the best solution for the next MW contender.Okami has been due a title shot but has had a bunch of boring decisions since the evan tanner fight.against belfort he'll have no choice but to try and finish the fight beforte belfort does. i also think that Nate has had the more impressive wins since his lost to anderson compared to hendersons run.nate has gone 4-1 with all 4 wins coming by stoppage(1sub,3tko's,1ko) against hendersons 3-0(1ud,1spd,1ko) and the only top fighter he fought at this time was Franklin wich he really lost with the ecxception of the 1st rd.if dan doesn't feel like fighting marquardt for the #1 contender spot then let nate get the shot and belfort and okami fight for the next shot. I think moos might of found the best solution for the next MW contender.Okami has been due a title shot but has had a bunch of boring decisions since the evan tanner fight.against belfort he’ll have no choice but to try and finish the fight beforte belfort does. i also think that Nate has had the more impressive wins since his lost to anderson compared to hendersons run.nate has gone 4-1 with all 4 wins coming by stoppage(1sub,3tko’s,1ko) against hendersons 3-0(1ud,1spd,1ko) and the only top fighter he fought at this time was Franklin wich he really lost with the ecxception of the 1st rd.if dan doesn’t feel like fighting marquardt for the #1 contender spot then let nate get the shot and belfort and okami fight for the next shot.

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]]> By: Brendhan Conlan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127794 Brendhan Conlan Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:28:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127794 Funny you say that since there is only one "fact/fiction" question, not to mention the entire style of fact/fiction or buy/sell or whatever isn't original by any means and has been used by countless outlets for years and years. Also veeeeeerrrrrrrry interesting that you would try to imply some sort of wrongdoing when 411Mania itself steals 90% of the stuff they put up on their site. Funny you say that since there is only one “fact/fiction” question, not to mention the entire style of fact/fiction or buy/sell or whatever isn’t original by any means and has been used by countless outlets for years and years. Also veeeeeerrrrrrrry interesting that you would try to imply some sort of wrongdoing when 411Mania itself steals 90% of the stuff they put up on their site.

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]]> By: webeougher http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127790 webeougher Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:53:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127790 2 former 411 guys doing 411's Fact or Fiction? Veeeeerrrrrrryyyyyyyy interesting. At any rate, here goes: 1. Credential/accomplishment-wise, as mentioned, Maynard is in a class by himself due to his sterling record inside the Octagon. Promotion-wise, it's the easiest sell there is, assuming BJ beats Diego (and I am), because you've got Student v Coach (former now, obviously). In terms of the caliber of Maynard's opponents (pre-Huerta) and the method in which he's been victorious (largely lackluster decisions), I think that could make it harder for him to get a title shot. Since Machida was already mentioned, I think it's interesting to note that he wasn't given a guaranteed title shot until AFTER he had (t)KO'ed Thiago Silva, and I think Gray is probably in the same boat. 2. Tim Sylvia is certainly still a recognizable heavyweight, but the question is whether or not he's a relevant heavyweight. In this day and age, fighting on non-UFC or Strikeforce shows (and remaining exclusively in the US), there's no way he can be considered relevant. Does that mean he can't reel off a three- or five-fight win streak in impressive fashion and get snapped back up by either of the above-named promotions? Not in the least. But, at the moment, both Sylvia and Arlovski, two-thirds of the UFC's heavyweight division in the early part of the decade (with Mir being the third), are completely and totally irrelevant. At least if Sylvia is done taking fighting seriously he'll still be able to pick up a few nice paychecks in freakshow fights in Japan (kinda suprised he didn't replace Mousasi in the SUPER HULK~!). 3. At this point, I would say that yes, the UFC should be more concerned about Strikeforce's CBS special than any other rival show to date. With that said, how concerned do I think they should be? Not very concerned at all, honestly. Yes, the show does boast arguably the number one heavyweight in the world (and the most dominant heavyweight in the world to this point in the sport's young history, without doubt); however, how do you promote a guy for whom you have no rights to footage? Show him fighting a bunch of Japanese guys that no casual fan has ever heard of? Show his grappling exhibitions with guys half his size? Rogers is the more marketable fighter at this point, but I don't feel like Strikeforce is going to do anything to promote him. And really, without a Countdown or All Access-type show, how far can they really go to hype up the show? Realistically, I don't think Dana and company are going to worry too much about this show until after the fact - see how it does and then figure out whether they need to counterprogram the next one. 4. Under - Mirko's done, plain and simple. He looked beaten after his head kicks against Junior Dos Santos were entirely ineffective, and especially after the punishment he absorbed in the final round of that fight. 5. Henderson should be the number one contender, plain and simple. In spite of his "VERY predictable ways", Henderson is still the only one to win a round against Silva in the UFC, and he's coming off of the KO of his career at the UFC's biggest event to date. From a marketing standpoint, that makes him the most viable contender. As mentioned, Belfort hasn't even fought at Middleweight in the UFC yet, so why should he be getting a title shot. Plus, his style (aggressive striker with questionable cardio and mental toughness) is tailor-made for another highlight-reel knockout for Silva. As good as Belfort's striking has looked at middleweight, Silva is in a completely different universe, and it's not going to be a striker that finally dethrones him. I'm a big Marquardt fan, but I think he relies too much on his striking to really pose a serious threat to Silva. 6. Abe Wagner by far, although he was greatly outstripped by both Wes Shivers and James McSweeney on episode 2. As mentioned, though, Rampage isn't supposed to be a great coach, just a talented, charismatic fighter. 2 former 411 guys doing 411′s Fact or Fiction? Veeeeerrrrrrryyyyyyyy interesting.

At any rate, here goes:

1. Credential/accomplishment-wise, as mentioned, Maynard is in a class by himself due to his sterling record inside the Octagon. Promotion-wise, it’s the easiest sell there is, assuming BJ beats Diego (and I am), because you’ve got Student v Coach (former now, obviously). In terms of the caliber of Maynard’s opponents (pre-Huerta) and the method in which he’s been victorious (largely lackluster decisions), I think that could make it harder for him to get a title shot. Since Machida was already mentioned, I think it’s interesting to note that he wasn’t given a guaranteed title shot until AFTER he had (t)KO’ed Thiago Silva, and I think Gray is probably in the same boat.

2. Tim Sylvia is certainly still a recognizable heavyweight, but the question is whether or not he’s a relevant heavyweight. In this day and age, fighting on non-UFC or Strikeforce shows (and remaining exclusively in the US), there’s no way he can be considered relevant. Does that mean he can’t reel off a three- or five-fight win streak in impressive fashion and get snapped back up by either of the above-named promotions? Not in the least. But, at the moment, both Sylvia and Arlovski, two-thirds of the UFC’s heavyweight division in the early part of the decade (with Mir being the third), are completely and totally irrelevant. At least if Sylvia is done taking fighting seriously he’ll still be able to pick up a few nice paychecks in freakshow fights in Japan (kinda suprised he didn’t replace Mousasi in the SUPER HULK~!).

3. At this point, I would say that yes, the UFC should be more concerned about Strikeforce’s CBS special than any other rival show to date. With that said, how concerned do I think they should be? Not very concerned at all, honestly. Yes, the show does boast arguably the number one heavyweight in the world (and the most dominant heavyweight in the world to this point in the sport’s young history, without doubt); however, how do you promote a guy for whom you have no rights to footage? Show him fighting a bunch of Japanese guys that no casual fan has ever heard of? Show his grappling exhibitions with guys half his size? Rogers is the more marketable fighter at this point, but I don’t feel like Strikeforce is going to do anything to promote him. And really, without a Countdown or All Access-type show, how far can they really go to hype up the show? Realistically, I don’t think Dana and company are going to worry too much about this show until after the fact – see how it does and then figure out whether they need to counterprogram the next one.

4. Under – Mirko’s done, plain and simple. He looked beaten after his head kicks against Junior Dos Santos were entirely ineffective, and especially after the punishment he absorbed in the final round of that fight.

5. Henderson should be the number one contender, plain and simple. In spite of his “VERY predictable ways”, Henderson is still the only one to win a round against Silva in the UFC, and he’s coming off of the KO of his career at the UFC’s biggest event to date. From a marketing standpoint, that makes him the most viable contender. As mentioned, Belfort hasn’t even fought at Middleweight in the UFC yet, so why should he be getting a title shot. Plus, his style (aggressive striker with questionable cardio and mental toughness) is tailor-made for another highlight-reel knockout for Silva. As good as Belfort’s striking has looked at middleweight, Silva is in a completely different universe, and it’s not going to be a striker that finally dethrones him. I’m a big Marquardt fan, but I think he relies too much on his striking to really pose a serious threat to Silva.

6. Abe Wagner by far, although he was greatly outstripped by both Wes Shivers and James McSweeney on episode 2. As mentioned, though, Rampage isn’t supposed to be a great coach, just a talented, charismatic fighter.

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127788 moosebaby02 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:35:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127788 if it was you than you sure did. that one wasnt even on my radar. come Joey S. get it going if it was you than you sure did. that one wasnt even on my radar. come Joey S. get it going

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]]> By: Brendhan Conlan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127782 Brendhan Conlan Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:13:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127782 I believe I may have just officially created the "Couture vs. Cro Cop" movement! I believe I may have just officially created the “Couture vs. Cro Cop” movement!

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]]> By: moosebaby02 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127779 moosebaby02 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:45:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127779 MM izzle not that I agree but Serra has always as far as I can remember known to be a BBJ guy with heavy hands. I love Maynard but he has to start to finishing his fights or he will be put in the same class as Okami Im sure if Tim keeps knocking out a bunch of big mouth nobody's someone will remember he was the guy who would wear his UFC HW belt around every where he went, even stealing the thunder when he was cornering some of his training partners. YES the UFC should be concerned. Ya it might be one show but its on national tv at the worst time for them with controversy within company. I were a new fan to MMA I would see Dana as a joke who likes to piss off the people who line his pockets with $$$ and Croker as a quite Geniuses. One Mega fight vs Captain America and then Cro Cop can call it a career. thats just me being selfish. I say the hell with Hendo. Decision vs who Palhares ok. Split Decision vs Franklin (which he lost imo by the way) and KO vs a over confident bad game planning loud mouth Bisbing (it was a great KO) and now he is making demands at a title shot at Anderson. Lets not forget before his SO impressive 3-0 run he was choked out by the spider and very outmatched by Rampage. I know he was promise a shot but by the looks of it so was Rampage at the Dragon that he never got and everyone is calling him a baby. Let him go up to LHW and get smashed with his VERY predictable ways and make room for Vitor and NATE THE GREAT. No way Vitor gets a shot right away though. He gets past the TRULY #1 contender (nate) then we have a mega fight with Vitor and Spider. How bout this Nate vs Spider - Vitor vs Okami then the winners go at it for the belt??? I like it. The only reason the Rampage looked so bad at cornering is cause he is. If you listen to the back ground and not focus when the camera is on Rampage's face you can hear his coaches actually doing all the corner coaching. Rampage even admitted to not being a good corner man when he was on vs Forrest. and Abe sucks. I would have stormed off as well. My 5 month daughter has a better ground game and she just learned to roll over to her stomach. Was he suppose to be some BBJ guy???? Shity MM izzle not that I agree but Serra has always as far as I can remember known to be a BBJ guy with heavy hands.

I love Maynard but he has to start to finishing his fights or he will be put in the same class as Okami

Im sure if Tim keeps knocking out a bunch of big mouth nobody’s someone will remember he was the guy who would wear his UFC HW belt around every where he went, even stealing the thunder when he was cornering some of his training partners.

YES the UFC should be concerned. Ya it might be one show but its on national tv at the worst time for them with controversy within company. I were a new fan to MMA I would see Dana as a joke who likes to piss off the people who line his pockets with $$$ and Croker as a quite Geniuses.

One Mega fight vs Captain America and then Cro Cop can call it a career. thats just me being selfish.

I say the hell with Hendo. Decision vs who Palhares ok. Split Decision vs Franklin (which he lost imo by the way) and KO vs a over confident bad game planning loud mouth Bisbing (it was a great KO) and now he is making demands at a title shot at Anderson. Lets not forget before his SO impressive 3-0 run he was choked out by the spider and very outmatched by Rampage. I know he was promise a shot but by the looks of it so was Rampage at the Dragon that he never got and everyone is calling him a baby. Let him go up to LHW and get smashed with his VERY predictable ways and make room for Vitor and NATE THE GREAT. No way Vitor gets a shot right away though. He gets past the TRULY #1 contender (nate) then we have a mega fight with Vitor and Spider. How bout this Nate vs Spider – Vitor vs Okami then the winners go at it for the belt??? I like it.

The only reason the Rampage looked so bad at cornering is cause he is. If you listen to the back ground and not focus when the camera is on Rampage’s face you can hear his coaches actually doing all the corner coaching. Rampage even admitted to not being a good corner man when he was on vs Forrest. and Abe sucks. I would have stormed off as well. My 5 month daughter has a better ground game and she just learned to roll over to her stomach. Was he suppose to be some BBJ guy???? Shity

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]]> By: twyg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127746 twyg Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:00:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127746 Cro Cop is done although a legends fight with Randy is something I would watch. Maynard is at least two wins away and three if doesn't start to finish his fights. Tim Sylvia is not even close to being relavent lets not forget he lost to a retired boxer who recieves social security checks. The UFC doesn't have anything to fear yet, but if Strikeforce starts putting on bi-monthly shows then it is a different ballgame. The only way Vitor gets first crack at the spider is if the hendo-nate issue can not be resolved. They are all just lining up for an ass kicking anyway. Abe put on one of the worst preformances I have ever or will ever see. That was so bad that even Jesus couldn't have coached him up. Cro Cop is done although a legends fight with Randy is something I would watch. Maynard is at least two wins away and three if doesn’t start to finish his fights. Tim Sylvia is not even close to being relavent lets not forget he lost to a retired boxer who recieves social security checks. The UFC doesn’t have anything to fear yet, but if Strikeforce starts putting on bi-monthly shows then it is a different ballgame. The only way Vitor gets first crack at the spider is if the hendo-nate issue can not be resolved. They are all just lining up for an ass kicking anyway. Abe put on one of the worst preformances I have ever or will ever see. That was so bad that even Jesus couldn’t have coached him up.

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]]> By: MM izzle my Nizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127745 MM izzle my Nizzle Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:47:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127745 Why is it that if Tim loses by a KO to a former class A boxer he is no longer relevant. Perhaps GSP is no longer relevant? I mean he lost via strikes and by TKO to a BJJ guy who never was a class A fighter and was not even known for his boxing!. Curry did Sylvia even fight in the 90's? and why do you think so poorly of boxing? and do you know what you are talking about? I'm sure if Tim lost to a former BJJ champ type dude who was new to the sport you wouldn't be so disapproving. Sorry but you just don't like Sylvia I reckon. Why is it that if Tim loses by a KO to a former class A boxer he is no longer relevant. Perhaps GSP is no longer relevant? I mean he lost via strikes and by TKO to a BJJ guy who never was a class A fighter and was not even known for his boxing!. Curry did Sylvia even fight in the 90′s? and why do you think so poorly of boxing? and do you know what you are talking about? I’m sure if Tim lost to a former BJJ champ type dude who was new to the sport you wouldn’t be so disapproving. Sorry but you just don’t like Sylvia I reckon.

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]]> By: fraz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127717 fraz Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:13:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127717 As for Gray Maynard... I'm still holding out for the UFC to go and get Alvarez or Aoki. As for Gray Maynard…

I’m still holding out for the UFC to go and get Alvarez or Aoki.

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]]> By: fraz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127716 fraz Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:12:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127716 I definitely like the Cro-Cop vs. Randy fight. Gives people a chance to see a fight that should have happened years ago...and gives Randy a (likely) win which he needs given the 2 consecutive losses. He'll especially need a win if he loses to Vera as that will make 3, and it doesn't make sense to have Randy fight nobodies or up-and-comers. I definitely like the Cro-Cop vs. Randy fight.

Gives people a chance to see a fight that should have happened years ago…and gives Randy a (likely) win which he needs given the 2 consecutive losses. He’ll especially need a win if he loses to Vera as that will make 3, and it doesn’t make sense to have Randy fight nobodies or up-and-comers.

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]]> By: Bullylover http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127706 Bullylover Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:20:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127706 i'll agree with you mike that if maynard does fight that way against B>J> that he would get chewed up but i don't think that he would be that stupid to fight bj that way. i’ll agree with you mike that if maynard does fight that way against B>J> that he would get chewed up but i don’t think that he would be that stupid to fight bj that way.

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127702 Angry Mike Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:09:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127702 Maynard isn't ready for a title shot in one fight or two. He was surprisingly tentative against Huerta. If Maynard gets in the octagon with BJ and fights the way he did against Huerta, BJ will chew him up and spit him out very quickly. With regard to Cro Cop, maybe it's appropriate for him to fight his last fight in Japan. He was a big name in Pride, and I can understand why he might want to say goodbye to his fans there. But he has no business in the octagon with a UFC contender or even a young up-and-comer. Maynard isn’t ready for a title shot in one fight or two. He was surprisingly tentative against Huerta. If Maynard gets in the octagon with BJ and fights the way he did against Huerta, BJ will chew him up and spit him out very quickly.

With regard to Cro Cop, maybe it’s appropriate for him to fight his last fight in Japan. He was a big name in Pride, and I can understand why he might want to say goodbye to his fans there. But he has no business in the octagon with a UFC contender or even a young up-and-comer.

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]]> By: Bullylover http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127699 Bullylover Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:49:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127699 that's a good resolve for the MW division big dave, i never thought of that one. that’s a good resolve for the MW division big dave, i never thought of that one.

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]]> By: Bullylover http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127698 Bullylover Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:47:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127698 first of awsome choice of a picture for the page.another great article.I agree that if cro cop wants one last fight that it should be against randy since so many of us have been waiting for this fight to happen.gray maynared is definately one in line for a title shot but i agree that he needs to do a better job of fiinishing fights.a fight between him and florian does sound very appealing. first of awsome choice of a picture for the page.another great article.I agree that if cro cop wants one last fight that it should be against randy since so many of us have been waiting for this fight to happen.gray maynared is definately one in line for a title shot but i agree that he needs to do a better job of fiinishing fights.a fight between him and florian does sound very appealing.

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/24/grappling-with-issues-john-curry/comment-page-1/#comment-127694 BigDave Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:22:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17497#comment-127694 absolutely maynard is in my opinion one fight away from a title shot. If he can beat florian who i,m guessing that will be his next opponent. then of course he should be the first defence for Sanchez's title when he destroys penn. Tim Silvia will not be relevant again until first he gets his weight back under control then beats a top 15-20 guy. he was 287 in his last fight and fought a guy who can't take a punch. UFC should'nt be worried about strikeforce atol, They will put on a ok show but nothing close to a good ufc ppv imo. Under Crocop is afraid to get hit anymore and has no disire anymore, he needs to quit now. This 185 situation should go as fallows, If Hendo still refuses to fight nate then the spot should go to the winner of a fight between vitor and okami.And nate should fight silva for the title. absolutely maynard is in my opinion one fight away from a title shot. If he can beat florian who i,m guessing that will be his next opponent. then of course he should be the first defence for Sanchez’s title when he destroys penn.

Tim Silvia will not be relevant again until first he gets his weight back under control then beats a top 15-20 guy. he was 287 in his last fight and fought a guy who can’t take a punch.

UFC should’nt be worried about strikeforce atol, They will put on a ok show but nothing close to a good ufc ppv imo.

Under Crocop is afraid to get hit anymore and has no disire anymore, he needs to quit now.

This 185 situation should go as fallows, If Hendo still refuses to fight nate then the spot should go to the winner of a fight between vitor and okami.And nate should fight silva for the title.

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