Comments on: The New and Official 5 Oz. Ratings: Pound for Pound http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 01:07:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: MMAJay123 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-129447 MMAJay123 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:11:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-129447 I try to not get sucked in to these, but that list of your's is..... well there isnt a word for my reaction. Cory....stop sniffin glue man. G.S.P in my opinion is without a doubt in the top three, and personally think he is number 1. Those who rank him lower because he lost to serra, is absurd. Losing isnt the sign of weakness...it is how an individual responds to a defeat. I would say G.S.P has responded like a true champ...and p4p leader. His Competition has been top notch, and he improves in leaps and bounds every fight. He beats stronger, faster and according to Cory, more skill fighters, ( cough, choke) with ease. He hasn't even reached his prime yet. Please give your head a shake. I agree, only the top five should even be mentioned... the rest are to circumstantial. Furthermore, If G.S.P. gains wieght the right way...slowly, with a nutritionist, he has all the tools to give Anderson a bad night..and an embarressing lose to a welterweight. Here are my top five, to be fair: 1. G.S.P. 2. Anderson S. 3. Fedor ( till proven otherwise ) 4. Machida/Shogun ( who ever wins there bout ) 5. An in shape B.J. "cry baby" Penn. I try to not get sucked in to these, but that list of your’s is….. well there isnt a word for my reaction. Cory….stop sniffin glue man. G.S.P in my opinion is without a doubt in the top three, and personally think he is number 1. Those who rank him lower because he lost to serra, is absurd. Losing isnt the sign of weakness…it is how an individual responds to a defeat. I would say G.S.P has responded like a true champ…and p4p leader. His Competition has been top notch, and he improves in leaps and bounds every fight. He beats stronger, faster and according to Cory, more skill fighters, ( cough, choke) with ease. He hasn’t even reached his prime yet. Please give your head a shake. I agree, only the top five should even be mentioned… the rest are to circumstantial.
Furthermore, If G.S.P. gains wieght the right way…slowly, with a nutritionist, he has all the tools to give Anderson a bad night..and an embarressing lose to a welterweight.

Here are my top five, to be fair:

1. G.S.P.
2. Anderson S.
3. Fedor ( till proven otherwise )
4. Machida/Shogun ( who ever wins there bout )
5. An in shape B.J. “cry baby” Penn.

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]]> By: oakmantex http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-129052 oakmantex Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:16:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-129052 I agree with your top 3 and a lot of the other picks. I think you should follow Sports Illustrated and add Jake Shields to the P4P rankings. Shields was in the top ten BEFORE his current 12 fight win streak. I agree with your top 3 and a lot of the other picks. I think you should follow Sports Illustrated and add Jake Shields to the P4P rankings. Shields was in the top ten BEFORE his current 12 fight win streak.

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]]> By: MM izzle my Nizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128452 MM izzle my Nizzle Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:25:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128452 # 8 is DMX # 8 is DMX

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]]> By: MM izzle my Nizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128451 MM izzle my Nizzle Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:19:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128451 What the F@ck does p4p mean anyway? truth is the best fighter in the world comes from the heavier weights because (drum roll please) weight matters in fighting!. That is why there is weight classes in the first place. But if you are talking about who is the most dominant in their weight class it has to be Fedor. Why? because he has never really lost and has faced the who's who of MMA except for a few HW fighters in the UFC who are not allowed to fight outside the Octagon. So the p4p list goes as follows... 1) Who 2) F@ck'n 3) Cares 4) It 5) Doesn't 6) Mean 7) A 9) F@cking 10) Thing What the F@ck does p4p mean anyway? truth is the best fighter in the world comes from the heavier weights because (drum roll please) weight matters in fighting!. That is why there is weight classes in the first place. But if you are talking about who is the most dominant in their weight class it has to be Fedor. Why? because he has never really lost and has faced the who’s who of MMA except for a few HW fighters in the UFC who are not allowed to fight outside the Octagon.
So the p4p list goes as follows…
1) Who
2) F@ck’n
3) Cares
4) It
5) Doesn’t
6) Mean
7) A
9) F@cking
10) Thing

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128234 edub Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:37:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128234 I didnt hold it against Penn as much as Aoki because GSP is #1 at 170 and #2 on my pfp list. Sakurai is not top 10 at 170 and possibly not even top twenty. BJ would be at #4 on my list if he had a better showing against St. Pierre, and Aoki would probably be in my pfp top ten if he had a win against Sakurai. If Penn wouldve beat St. Pierre I would have him at #2 behind Anderson, and if Aoki wouldve beat Sakurai I would have him in the 6-7 range. I didnt hold it against Penn as much as Aoki because GSP is #1 at 170 and #2 on my pfp list. Sakurai is not top 10 at 170 and possibly not even top twenty. BJ would be at #4 on my list if he had a better showing against St. Pierre, and Aoki would probably be in my pfp top ten if he had a win against Sakurai. If Penn wouldve beat St. Pierre I would have him at #2 behind Anderson, and if Aoki wouldve beat Sakurai I would have him in the 6-7 range.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128233 metalmulisha Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:32:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128233 Well to be fair to Aoki that fight with Sakurai was not at his weight class. In my ranking I didn't penalize Penn for getting rape by GSP because he wasn't fighting at his natural weight class so I didn't hold it against Aoki either. Well to be fair to Aoki that fight with Sakurai was not at his weight class. In my ranking I didn’t penalize Penn for getting rape by GSP because he wasn’t fighting at his natural weight class so I didn’t hold it against Aoki either.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128229 edub Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:08:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128229 "And Kos in the top twenty? Again, Koscheck is cool as hell, but c’mon dude, he’s 2-2 in his last 4, with wins over Yoshiyuki Yoshida and Frank Trigg." Shogun is is 3-2 in his last 5 fights with wins over Liddell, Randleman, and Coleman. WIth losses coming to Griffin and Coleman repectively. Franky Edgar in his young career already holds wins over Tyson Griffin, Jim Miller, and Sean Sherk. But the main reason hes on my list is that looks like he could make 145 quite easily and possibly 135. I also try to spread my rankings around multiple weight classes and already had 4 for lhw so lil nog got the shaft. Big Nog could also have an argument for my top twenty but guys like Aoki have more quality wins over the past two years. In fact the reason i dont have Aoki a lot higher on this list is his recent loss to Sakurai. My main reason for having someone on a pfp list is how dominant they are. Not how well rounded they are. Shogun is a hell of a lot more well rounded than Aoki is but Aoki has been more dominant in the recent years. “And Kos in the top twenty? Again, Koscheck is cool as hell, but c’mon dude, he’s 2-2 in his last 4, with wins over Yoshiyuki Yoshida and Frank Trigg.”

Shogun is is 3-2 in his last 5 fights with wins over Liddell, Randleman, and Coleman. WIth losses coming to Griffin and Coleman repectively.

Franky Edgar in his young career already holds wins over Tyson Griffin, Jim Miller, and Sean Sherk. But the main reason hes on my list is that looks like he could make 145 quite easily and possibly 135. I also try to spread my rankings around multiple weight classes and already had 4 for lhw so lil nog got the shaft. Big Nog could also have an argument for my top twenty but guys like Aoki have more quality wins over the past two years. In fact the reason i dont have Aoki a lot higher on this list is his recent loss to Sakurai.

My main reason for having someone on a pfp list is how dominant they are. Not how well rounded they are. Shogun is a hell of a lot more well rounded than Aoki is but Aoki has been more dominant in the recent years.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128225 edub Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:28:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128225 "@edub- Shogun nowhere near the list? Seriously? He beats guys like Rampage, Rogerio Nogueira, Overeem, Arona, comes back out of shape and drops one fight to Griffin, then comes back with wins over Coleman and Liddell, and he should be nowhere near the list? His resume makes that impossible, but just based on his skill set alone there’s no reason he’s not in the top ten. You’d be hard pressed to find a more well rounded fighter than Shogun." Cory buddy.. The wins you talk about happend almost four years ago. Wins over Liddell and Coleman are not big enough wins to keep him in the top ten IMO. Although as I think about it a case can easily be made for him 10-20. I guess well see how good he really is with the level of competition he gives Machida. I for one dont think he has a shot at beating Machida but thats just me. “@edub- Shogun nowhere near the list? Seriously? He beats guys like Rampage, Rogerio Nogueira, Overeem, Arona, comes back out of shape and drops one fight to Griffin, then comes back with wins over Coleman and Liddell, and he should be nowhere near the list? His resume makes that impossible, but just based on his skill set alone there’s no reason he’s not in the top ten. You’d be hard pressed to find a more well rounded fighter than Shogun.”

Cory buddy.. The wins you talk about happend almost four years ago. Wins over Liddell and Coleman are not big enough wins to keep him in the top ten IMO. Although as I think about it a case can easily be made for him 10-20. I guess well see how good he really is with the level of competition he gives Machida. I for one dont think he has a shot at beating Machida but thats just me.

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128218 metalmulisha Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:13:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128218 11. Kimbo Slice 12. Tank Abbott 13. Ken Shamrock 14. Don Frye 15. Butterbean 11. Kimbo Slice
12. Tank Abbott
13. Ken Shamrock
14. Don Frye
15. Butterbean

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]]> By: metalmulisha http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128216 metalmulisha Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:08:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128216 1. Fedor 2. Anderson Silva 3. St.Pierre 4. Mousasi 5. Machida 6. BJ Penn 7. Shinya Aoki 8. Nick Diaz 9. Nate Marquardt 10. Josh Barnett 1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. St.Pierre
4. Mousasi
5. Machida
6. BJ Penn
7. Shinya Aoki
8. Nick Diaz
9. Nate Marquardt
10. Josh Barnett

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]]> By: jim7283 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128214 jim7283 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:30:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128214 Shougun doesn't deserve to be in the top 15 - who has he beat? Old ass Liddell and old ass Coleman - theyre nice names to have under your belt, but are YEARS past their prime. Plus Machida is going to make him look more ridiculous than Rashad next month, after which he should not even be considered in the top 25 pound-for-pound fighters... to put him that far ahead of a guy like Mir is a disgrace. My top 3 (which IMO is all that matters) 1. Fedor 2. Anderson 3. GSP With Machida looming... KARATAYYYYYYYYYYY Shougun doesn’t deserve to be in the top 15 – who has he beat? Old ass Liddell and old ass Coleman – theyre nice names to have under your belt, but are YEARS past their prime. Plus Machida is going to make him look more ridiculous than Rashad next month, after which he should not even be considered in the top 25 pound-for-pound fighters… to put him that far ahead of a guy like Mir is a disgrace.

My top 3 (which IMO is all that matters)

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. GSP

With Machida looming… KARATAYYYYYYYYYYY

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]]> By: Cory Brady http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128213 Cory Brady Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:24:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128213 No cocoon, the reason I already hear it coming is because I've been around long enough to know that it's impossible to create any kind of rankings system that everyone is going to agree with. But please feel free to post your personal top 20. I'd love to skim it over. No cocoon, the reason I already hear it coming is because I’ve been around long enough to know that it’s impossible to create any kind of rankings system that everyone is going to agree with.

But please feel free to post your personal top 20. I’d love to skim it over.

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]]> By: cocoonofhorror http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128208 cocoonofhorror Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:46:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128208 oh, and Frank fucking Mir? give me a break. you just lost whatever credibility you had. oh, and Frank fucking Mir? give me a break. you just lost whatever credibility you had.

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]]> By: cocoonofhorror http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128207 cocoonofhorror Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:44:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128207 the reason you can "already hear it coming" is because it is batshit crazy. i half think you are trolling by putting Penn above GSP, and im a huge Penn fan. the reason you can “already hear it coming” is because it is batshit crazy. i half think you are trolling by putting Penn above GSP, and im a huge Penn fan.

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]]> By: wifeinthong http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128203 wifeinthong Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:10:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128203 i like how u think Dave,in addition to put it more simply there alot of Big names or well known names for am example Tank aboott Ken Shamrock, (Im taking this to the extreme) there not in the top ten but if Fedor fights them is he still number one because he has no losses. Shane CArwin has had one legitimate well known name and has no losses but beacuse of who he has fought he's NOT in the top ten but Fedor is There is a real top ten for a reason Fedor may fall at the end of that top ten or maybe top 15 but number one he hasnt fought Randy, Mir, Brock, Vetor, Anderson Syvia, Machida, Wow as Im naming them off Id be embarrassed thats called dodging and plain scared those guys are at the top of there game Fedor keeps fight guys in the top 12-20 ranking not bad but not enough to be number one i like how u think Dave,in addition to put it more simply there alot of Big names or well known names for am example Tank aboott Ken Shamrock, (Im taking this to the extreme) there not in the top ten but if Fedor fights them is he still number one because he has no losses.

Shane CArwin has had one legitimate well known name and has no losses but beacuse of who he has fought he’s NOT in the top ten but Fedor is

There is a real top ten for a reason Fedor may fall at the end of that top ten or maybe top 15 but number one he hasnt fought Randy, Mir, Brock, Vetor, Anderson Syvia, Machida,

Wow as Im naming them off Id be embarrassed thats called dodging and plain scared those guys are at the top of there game Fedor keeps fight guys in the top 12-20 ranking not bad but not enough to be number one

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128197 BigDave Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:56:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128197 WOW! Cory you have officially lost your mind ;) . Even though it should be clear to EVERYONE that GSP is the best fighter on the planet bar none, you can make a case for fedor and even silva. But here is why that assesment would be wrong. Fedor has really not fought anyone Except Little Nog 3 times(2 dec, 1 accidental cut) and beyond that it was guys past there prime or guys that although great k1 fighters not mma guys. With Silva its simple to see why he should be behind GSP. Silva's last four fights have been Irvin, cote, leites, and griffin, Where as Rush has fought Alves, penn, fitch, and serra. Now I'm not tring to bash Silva but it is clear from where i'm sitting that in the last 2 years GSP has fought the better opponents.To me there is no way in the world no matter how you slice it that you could have anyone other then GSP at number 1. I could make a case for Machida being ahead of silva aswell but that would be a much harded decision to make. And as for my number five guy as much as it sickens me to even think about this piece of garbage BJ Penn has walked threw his division so far. I,m just hoping that Sanchez will destroy him so I can permanently remove him from my list. As far as the guys from 6-20 i don't have any gripe because really they are so interchangeable depending on what they all do in there next fights which is a testament as to just how good this sport is and how deep it has become. Agree to disagree I guess. WOW!

Cory you have officially lost your mind ;) . Even though it should be clear to EVERYONE that GSP is the best fighter on the planet bar none, you can make a case for fedor and even silva. But here is why that assesment would be wrong. Fedor has really not fought anyone Except Little Nog 3 times(2 dec, 1 accidental cut) and beyond that it was guys past there prime or guys that although great k1 fighters not mma guys. With Silva its simple to see why he should be behind GSP. Silva’s last four fights have been Irvin, cote, leites, and griffin, Where as Rush has fought Alves, penn, fitch, and serra. Now I’m not tring to bash Silva but it is clear from where i’m sitting that in the last 2 years GSP has fought the better opponents.To me there is no way in the world no matter how you slice it that you could have anyone other then GSP at number 1. I could make a case for Machida being ahead of silva aswell but that would be a much harded decision to make. And as for my number five guy as much as it sickens me to even think about this piece of garbage BJ Penn has walked threw his division so far. I,m just hoping that Sanchez will destroy him so I can permanently remove him from my list. As far as the guys from 6-20 i don’t have any gripe because really they are so interchangeable depending on what they all do in there next fights which is a testament as to just how good this sport is and how deep it has become. Agree to disagree I guess.

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]]> By: twyg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128186 twyg Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:01:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128186 1. Fedor- Really simple does anyone beat him if wight were not an issue. The anwser is 99 times out of 100 is no 2. Machida- Before anyone asks me who A.Silva is not in this spot my reply is that A.Silva said he would lose and I think he is right. 3. A.Silva- No one besides the two men above has even a chance to beat him and he could beat either of them; they would just win more times then not. 4. Penn- See Corys article 5. GSP- See Corys article 6. Henderson- He can fight in two wight classes and beat almost anyone in them, and maybe some heavies. That is real P4P. 7. Big Nog- If wight were not an issue he is the UFC heavywieght champ. Can take a beating and still beats you. 8. Mousasi- All I have to say is impressive. This guy will be on this list for a long time and will only be moving up. Now if he could just get some better opponents to really show us what he is made of. 9. Nate- Great all around game and if not for A.Silva maybe a champion. 10. Shields- Great WW; maybe a great MW? Time will tell. 1. Fedor- Really simple does anyone beat him if wight were not an issue. The anwser is 99 times out of 100 is no
2. Machida- Before anyone asks me who A.Silva is not in this spot my reply is that A.Silva said he would lose and I think he is right.
3. A.Silva- No one besides the two men above has even a chance to beat him and he could beat either of them; they would just win more times then not.
4. Penn- See Corys article
5. GSP- See Corys article
6. Henderson- He can fight in two wight classes and beat almost anyone in them, and maybe some heavies. That is real P4P.
7. Big Nog- If wight were not an issue he is the UFC heavywieght champ. Can take a beating and still beats you.
8. Mousasi- All I have to say is impressive. This guy will be on this list for a long time and will only be moving up. Now if he could just get some better opponents to really show us what he is made of.
9. Nate- Great all around game and if not for A.Silva maybe a champion.
10. Shields- Great WW; maybe a great MW? Time will tell.

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]]> By: Cory Brady http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128171 Cory Brady Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:41:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128171 @ Xtreme Machine - I'm glad you brought up Brock because I think he is a perfect example as to the reasoning behind my thought process in making the list. Is it really that huge of a mystery that Lesnar has a huge advantage over his opponents in the size department. If somoeone doesn't understand the signifigance that twenty pounds can make at this level of fighting, it's a lost cause for me to even stake an argument. But I'm sure you're aware of potential factors large differences in size can contribute to. Let's just say we take Brock Lesnar and we shrink him down twenty or thirty pounds and have him fight Frank Mir again; dees that fight end the same way in your opinion? I don't think so. Brock has one incredibly awesome dimension, but his overall skill level is far from top twenty caliber at this time. His wrestling is top notch, but his submission attack in non-existent, stand-up defense is shabby, and has had a great amount of success wwith his awkward punches due to his monstrous frame. That's enough for now. I'll be back to pick up where I left off in a while. In the meantime, keep up the healthy debate and conversation! Many of the arguments you guys are making are extremely eye opening, as usual. @ Xtreme Machine – I’m glad you brought up Brock because I think he is a perfect example as to the reasoning behind my thought process in making the list.

Is it really that huge of a mystery that Lesnar has a huge advantage over his opponents in the size department. If somoeone doesn’t understand the signifigance that twenty pounds can make at this level of fighting, it’s a lost cause for me to even stake an argument.

But I’m sure you’re aware of potential factors large differences in size can contribute to.

Let’s just say we take Brock Lesnar and we shrink him down twenty or thirty pounds and have him fight Frank Mir again; dees that fight end the same way in your opinion? I don’t think so. Brock has one incredibly awesome dimension, but his overall skill level is far from top twenty caliber at this time. His wrestling is top notch, but his submission attack in non-existent, stand-up defense is shabby, and has had a great amount of success wwith his awkward punches due to his monstrous frame.

That’s enough for now. I’ll be back to pick up where I left off in a while. In the meantime, keep up the healthy debate and conversation! Many of the arguments you guys are making are extremely eye opening, as usual.

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]]> By: Cory Brady http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128169 Cory Brady Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:25:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128169 @ Shotokai - I have no love for either B.J. Penn or Lyoto Machida outside of my respect of their skills as fighters. Anyone that knows me is fully aware that you will never find me hooting and hollering while either of those guys fight. Not that I dislike either of them, just never been a tremendous fan of watching them compete. Whie you point out that GSP has cleared out his division, he has suffereed recent defeats at his weight class. More recent than B.J. has at lightweight. Granted, GSP has been more active at his respective division, but I also feel like there's no reason why B.J. doesn't clean out lightweight in due time. But people talk like Diego Sanchez is some kind of real threat to his crown. The same Diego Sanchez that just went the distance with Clay Guida and Joe Stevenson? Sorry but there's no way that Guida makes it to the final bell with Penn, and we all saw what happened to Joe Daddy. My point being that Penn is just as dominant in his weight class as GSP is at his. I also feel like B.J. is the more complete fighter. GSP is fantastic at making his number one strength work for him (his wrestling), but I'm still not sold on his stand-up. Where I have no worries with Penn going anywhere with anyone, just as long as they aren't naturally twenty pounds larger than him. I can't be any more clear with this. Losses to GSP and Hughes mean nothing to my determination of p4p ranking because they weren't contested at Penn's natural weight class. That's like expecting for GSP to just go to middleweight and start knocking guys dead. It's just not going to happen. St-Pierre is the superior athlete, B.J. is the superior fighter. Of course it''s not like I don't have a ton of rspect for GSP, just not as much as many seem to feel I should. @ Shotokai – I have no love for either B.J. Penn or Lyoto Machida outside of my respect of their skills as fighters. Anyone that knows me is fully aware that you will never find me hooting and hollering while either of those guys fight. Not that I dislike either of them, just never been a tremendous fan of watching them compete.

Whie you point out that GSP has cleared out his division, he has suffereed recent defeats at his weight class. More recent than B.J. has at lightweight. Granted, GSP has been more active at his respective division, but I also feel like there’s no reason why B.J. doesn’t clean out lightweight in due time. But people talk like Diego Sanchez is some kind of real threat to his crown. The same Diego Sanchez that just went the distance with Clay Guida and Joe Stevenson? Sorry but there’s no way that Guida makes it to the final bell with Penn, and we all saw what happened to Joe Daddy.

My point being that Penn is just as dominant in his weight class as GSP is at his. I also feel like B.J. is the more complete fighter. GSP is fantastic at making his number one strength work for him (his wrestling), but I’m still not sold on his stand-up. Where I have no worries with Penn going anywhere with anyone, just as long as they aren’t naturally twenty pounds larger than him.

I can’t be any more clear with this. Losses to GSP and Hughes mean nothing to my determination of p4p ranking because they weren’t contested at Penn’s natural weight class. That’s like expecting for GSP to just go to middleweight and start knocking guys dead. It’s just not going to happen.

St-Pierre is the superior athlete, B.J. is the superior fighter.

Of course it”s not like I don’t have a ton of rspect for GSP, just not as much as many seem to feel I should.

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]]> By: Cory Brady http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/09/29/the-new-and-official-5-oz-ratings-the-best-of-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-128168 Cory Brady Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:13:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17596#comment-128168 @edub- Shogun nowhere near the list? Seriously? He beats guys like Rampage, Rogerio Nogueira, Overeem, Arona, comes back out of shape and drops one fight to Griffin, then comes back with wins over Coleman and Liddell, and he should be nowhere near the list? His resume makes that impossible, but just based on his skill set alone there's no reason he's not in the top ten. You'd be hard pressed to find a more well rounded fighter than Shogun. @edub- Shogun nowhere near the list? Seriously? He beats guys like Rampage, Rogerio Nogueira, Overeem, Arona, comes back out of shape and drops one fight to Griffin, then comes back with wins over Coleman and Liddell, and he should be nowhere near the list? His resume makes that impossible, but just based on his skill set alone there’s no reason he’s not in the top ten. You’d be hard pressed to find a more well rounded fighter than Shogun.

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