Comments on: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Gabriel Gonzaga possible for UFC 107? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 01:50:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128734 Sergio Hernandez Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:35:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128734 <blockquote cite="comment-128700"> <strong><a href="#comment-128700" rel="nofollow">BiG BaD BuLL</a></strong>: wasn’t trying to be condescending, just supporting my claim that it was a sloppy kick. </blockquote> Yeah, proper technique might have been lacking but when I think sloppy, I think of the last round of Griffin/Bonner I. Either way, you're right about him stilling riding the wave of that ONE win.

BiG BaD BuLL: wasn’t trying to be condescending, just supporting my claim that it was a sloppy kick.

Yeah, proper technique might have been lacking but when I think sloppy, I think of the last round of Griffin/Bonner I.

Either way, you’re right about him stilling riding the wave of that ONE win.

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]]> By: MMApride19 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128706 MMApride19 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:58:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128706 <blockquote cite="comment-128672"> <strong><a href="#comment-128672" rel="nofollow">dpk</a></strong>: Not bad.Gonzaga always destroys average HWs, but struggles when he steps up.I guess this is his latest chance to try and step into the elite.I think Nog will win, and then it will keep him active and give him another name win to erase the memory of Mir fight before he fights the Lesnar/Carwin winner.It also makes the Velasquez/Rothwell winner into a fight with Dos Santos for the next shot </blockquote> I disagree with the winner of Valesquez vs Rothwell fighting Dos Santos for the title shot. IMO if Valesquez defeats Rothwell, he should be next in line. He has deserved it after one more win over a credible opponent i think. After all... the fight between Carwin vs Valesquez was meant to determine the next title shot. So its only fair that Valesquez gets his shot. He is becoming a big fan favourite aswell, so will sell PPV's i think. Nog will beat Gonzaga. Im not dismissing Gonzaga as a fighter, he is good. But he will NOT finish Nog. Nog by submission or UD. He may even KO him. But thats more unlikely. On paper, Gonzaga has nothing on Nog. He does have powerful strikes, but often powerful strikes = very average strikes when landed on Minotauro lol. No one can take a shot as well as that guy lol. After that fight, he will have his title shot. Hopefully, and most likely, against Lesnar. If Mir beats Kongo, i would like to see him face Dos Santos. But i dont know. The HW division is far more complicated and exciting than it has ever been lol. So im open to any fights between the top guys really. Theres some great HW fights to be set up in the future. And im looking forward to them!

dpk: Not bad.Gonzaga always destroys average HWs, but struggles when he steps up.I guess this is his latest chance to try and step into the elite.I think Nog will win, and then it will keep him active and give him another name win to erase the memory of Mir fight before he fights the Lesnar/Carwin winner.It also makes the Velasquez/Rothwell winner into a fight with Dos Santos for the next shot

I disagree with the winner of Valesquez vs Rothwell fighting Dos Santos for the title shot. IMO if Valesquez defeats Rothwell, he should be next in line. He has deserved it after one more win over a credible opponent i think. After all… the fight between Carwin vs Valesquez was meant to determine the next title shot. So its only fair that Valesquez gets his shot. He is becoming a big fan favourite aswell, so will sell PPV’s i think.

Nog will beat Gonzaga. Im not dismissing Gonzaga as a fighter, he is good. But he will NOT finish Nog. Nog by submission or UD. He may even KO him. But thats more unlikely. On paper, Gonzaga has nothing on Nog. He does have powerful strikes, but often powerful strikes = very average strikes when landed on Minotauro lol. No one can take a shot as well as that guy lol. After that fight, he will have his title shot. Hopefully, and most likely, against Lesnar.

If Mir beats Kongo, i would like to see him face Dos Santos. But i dont know. The HW division is far more complicated and exciting than it has ever been lol. So im open to any fights between the top guys really. Theres some great HW fights to be set up in the future. And im looking forward to them!

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]]> By: BiG BaD BuLL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128700 BiG BaD BuLL Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:52:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128700 wasn't trying to be condescending, just supporting my claim that it was a sloppy kick. wasn’t trying to be condescending, just supporting my claim that it was a sloppy kick.

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]]> By: xtreme_machine http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128692 xtreme_machine Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:58:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128692 dam it seen that you know about kick dude congrats dam it seen that you know about kick dude congrats

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]]> By: BiG BaD BuLL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128686 BiG BaD BuLL Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:33:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128686 <blockquote cite="comment-128684"> <strong><a href="#comment-128684" rel="nofollow">Sergio Hernandez</a></strong>: Nothing sloppy about that knockout. </blockquote> He wasn't posted up on his left leg, didn't have his right leg turned over/ hip turned in, struck more with the inside ball of the ankle than with the blade of the shin, didn't extend the right arm/ roll his shoulder up to keep distance/ defend his chin. don't get me wrong, it was effective, and results are what matter. however, technique wise, it was sloppy. what ever gets the job done is what matters, but I feel that he is still riding the wave of that one kick.

Sergio Hernandez: Nothing sloppy about that knockout.

He wasn’t posted up on his left leg, didn’t have his right leg turned over/ hip turned in, struck more with the inside ball of the ankle than with the blade of the shin, didn’t extend the right arm/ roll his shoulder up to keep distance/ defend his chin. don’t get me wrong, it was effective, and results are what matter. however, technique wise, it was sloppy. what ever gets the job done is what matters, but I feel that he is still riding the wave of that one kick.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128684 Sergio Hernandez Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:04:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128684 <blockquote cite="comment-128674"> <strong><a href="#comment-128674" rel="nofollow">BiG BaD BuLL</a></strong>: done? Yes, he did knock out Cro cop in spectacular (if sloppy) fashion, </blockquote> Nothing sloppy about that knockout.

BiG BaD BuLL: done? Yes, he did knock out Cro cop in spectacular (if sloppy) fashion,

Nothing sloppy about that knockout.

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]]> By: BiG BaD BuLL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128682 BiG BaD BuLL Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:39:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128682 I feel that these will be the most effective match ups to defeat lesnar ( all are underdog/ longshots, though) 1. carwin- although shane is the smaller guy, he is not so small that lesnar can just out muscle him. furthermore, although brock is the better wrestler, once again, shane should be effective enough to neutralize the ground game. Although it has been against lower competition, shane is more experienced, and ( potentially) has more punching power. 2.Nog- In top form, he's a monster. let see how brock reacts mentally when stacked against someone who simply won't quit. Size is a factor, with brock having the obvious edge. ground goes to brock, stand up to nog, with the deciding factore being Nog's takedown defense. 3. Junior dos antos-big, fast, and just as aggressive as brock. 4. cain- will give his all, but just too small, and doesn't have the tools to slow brock down. 5. frank mir- only here by default. there has to be a rubber match, but brock owned him both (yes, both) times. I honestly think the best chance is... and hear me out... Chuck Liddel moving to heavy weight. still has the best take down defense in the game, and the punch is the last thing to go. we don't have to worry about brock throwing (effective) leg kicks. brock will charge in firing, which suits Liddel just fine, and he simply doesn't have the striking experience to be effective against Chuck. Lesnar' chin has only been tested once ( lesnar v mir 2). lets see how he handles chucks bombs. I welcome all debate. I feel that these will be the most effective match ups to defeat lesnar ( all are underdog/ longshots, though)
1. carwin- although shane is the smaller guy, he is not so small that lesnar can just out muscle him. furthermore, although brock is the better wrestler, once again, shane should be effective enough to neutralize the ground game. Although it has been against lower competition, shane is more experienced, and ( potentially) has more punching power.
2.Nog- In top form, he’s a monster. let see how brock reacts mentally when stacked against someone who simply won’t quit. Size is a factor, with brock having the obvious edge. ground goes to brock, stand up to nog, with the deciding factore being Nog’s takedown defense.
3. Junior dos antos-big, fast, and just as aggressive as brock.
4. cain- will give his all, but just too small, and doesn’t have the tools to slow brock down.
5. frank mir- only here by default. there has to be a rubber match, but brock owned him both (yes, both) times.

I honestly think the best chance is… and hear me out… Chuck Liddel moving to heavy weight. still has the best take down defense in the game, and the punch is the last thing to go. we don’t have to worry about brock throwing (effective) leg kicks. brock will charge in firing, which suits Liddel just fine, and he simply doesn’t have the striking experience to be effective against Chuck. Lesnar’ chin has only been tested once ( lesnar v mir 2). lets see how he handles chucks bombs. I welcome all debate.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128681 ozz_the_powerful Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:08:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128681 If he losses to Mir again though, it's a moot point to face Lesnar. I like the idea of Mir-Nog 2. Better than Gabe. WAY better. If he losses to Mir again though, it’s a moot point to face Lesnar.

I like the idea of Mir-Nog 2. Better than Gabe. WAY better.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128679 neijia Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:54:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128679 Mir-Nog 2. If Nog was recovering from something, give him a chance to avenge the defeat. And a chance for Mir to show his dominance would happen again. If Nog loses again, though, building the storyline up for Nog to face Lesnar becomes weaker. Mir-Nog 2. If Nog was recovering from something, give him a chance to avenge the defeat. And a chance for Mir to show his dominance would happen again. If Nog loses again, though, building the storyline up for Nog to face Lesnar becomes weaker.

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]]> By: ozz_the_powerful http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128678 ozz_the_powerful Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:33:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128678 Cain & Nog makes the absolute most sense at this point. Why give Gonzaga Nog, who just beat Couture, and Couture has already beaten him? Give Cain Nog, and Gonzaga someone from TUF 10. Either that or throw Mir in the mix, wherever you guys seem fit. Cain & Nog makes the absolute most sense at this point.

Why give Gonzaga Nog, who just beat Couture, and Couture has already beaten him?

Give Cain Nog, and Gonzaga someone from TUF 10. Either that or throw Mir in the mix, wherever you guys seem fit.

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]]> By: BiG BaD BuLL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128674 BiG BaD BuLL Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:44:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128674 I completely agree with redness. what has Gonzaga really done? Yes, he did knock out Cro cop in spectacular (if sloppy) fashion, but that is all he really has to offer to mma. He was owned by Couture ( no shame there), owned by werdum ( who hasn't evolved enough for mma), knocked out by Carwin (with an arm punch) and kicked Tucherer..erer...er in the balls. but all you hear is how dangerous and powerful he is; how he can finish the fight anywhere. he is only effective as a gatekeeper for octagon virgins. how is he in contention for a title shot? Nog loses to Mir, then has an epic battle for the UD over couture. Gonzaga gets knocked out by Carwin ( which, quite frankly, everyone thought I was nuts for predicting), kicks a newcomer in the nuts to win, and now has an opportunity to fight for #1 contender status? what an insult to Nog. How is fighting a tomato can going to prove he is ready for Lesnar? Will defeating sub par competition provide some awe inspiring insight to defeating the champ? I don't get it. He's ready now, just let him have the shot. as always, no disrespect intended to anyone. I completely agree with redness. what has Gonzaga really done? Yes, he did knock out Cro cop in spectacular (if sloppy) fashion, but that is all he really has to offer to mma. He was owned by Couture ( no shame there), owned by werdum ( who hasn’t evolved enough for mma), knocked out by Carwin (with an arm punch) and kicked Tucherer..erer…er in the balls. but all you hear is how dangerous and powerful he is; how he can finish the fight anywhere. he is only effective as a gatekeeper for octagon virgins. how is he in contention for a title shot? Nog loses to Mir, then has an epic battle for the UD over couture. Gonzaga gets knocked out by Carwin ( which, quite frankly, everyone thought I was nuts for predicting), kicks a newcomer in the nuts to win, and now has an opportunity to fight for #1 contender status? what an insult to Nog. How is fighting a tomato can going to prove he is ready for Lesnar? Will defeating sub par competition provide some awe inspiring insight to defeating the champ? I don’t get it. He’s ready now, just let him have the shot. as always, no disrespect intended to anyone.

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]]> By: dpk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128672 dpk Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:47:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128672 Not bad. Gonzaga always destroys average HWs, but struggles when he steps up. I guess this is his latest chance to try and step into the elite. I think Nog will win, and then it will keep him active and give him another name win to erase the memory of Mir fight before he fights the Lesnar/Carwin winner. It also makes the Velasquez/Rothwell winner into a fight with Dos Santos for the next shot Not bad. Gonzaga always destroys average HWs, but struggles when he steps up. I guess this is his latest chance to try and step into the elite. I think Nog will win, and then it will keep him active and give him another name win to erase the memory of Mir fight before he fights the Lesnar/Carwin winner. It also makes the Velasquez/Rothwell winner into a fight with Dos Santos for the next shot

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]]> By: twyg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128665 twyg Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:13:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128665 Nog by UD Nog by UD

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128658 edub Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:59:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128658 I think a lot of you guys are throwing gabe under the bus in this one a little too fast. Granted he doesnt have the best record when going up on competition, but this is the guy that was the first to beat Cro Cop after he went about three years without a defeat. I think a lot of you guys are throwing gabe under the bus in this one a little too fast. Granted he doesnt have the best record when going up on competition, but this is the guy that was the first to beat Cro Cop after he went about three years without a defeat.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128650 Sergio Hernandez Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:59:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128650 God, how horrible would it be if Gonzaga won this? He won't, obvi. But that would suck. Easy win for Big Nog leading into his title shot against BROCKLESNAR. God, how horrible would it be if Gonzaga won this?

He won’t, obvi. But that would suck.

Easy win for Big Nog leading into his title shot against BROCKLESNAR.

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]]> By: xtreme_machine http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128647 xtreme_machine Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:37:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128647 hey this way they set up Cigano vs Cain as the next contender after Nog vs Brock fight well maybe not because if and Cigano & Nog win they wont fight each other hey this way they set up Cigano vs Cain as the next contender after Nog vs Brock fight
well maybe not because if and Cigano & Nog win they wont fight each other

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]]> By: xtreme_machine http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128646 xtreme_machine Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:34:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128646 good explanation FRATZ is it sad to know that but it is very true also, i do want to see Brock vs Nog because i think that Nog has a good chance of beating Brock and if not him the his disciple "Cigano" will good explanation FRATZ

is it sad to know that but it is very true
also, i do want to see Brock vs Nog

because i think that Nog has a good chance of beating Brock
and if not him the his disciple “Cigano” will

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]]> By: fraz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128638 fraz Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:35:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128638 @redness They want to help make sure Nog gets another win. That way he stays relevant for the next title shot. Gonzaga is good enough to be considered legit but probably not good enough to pull the upset win. If they put Cain in there with Nog, Cain stands a decent chance of beating Nog and that would disqualify Nog from fighting for the title in early 2010 and the UFC would be out big bucks. @redness

They want to help make sure Nog gets another win. That way he stays relevant for the next title shot. Gonzaga is good enough to be considered legit but probably not good enough to pull the upset win.
If they put Cain in there with Nog, Cain stands a decent chance of beating Nog and that would disqualify Nog from fighting for the title in early 2010 and the UFC would be out big bucks.

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]]> By: redness http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128636 redness Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:23:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128636 Can someone explain to me how Gonzaga is even relavent at this point. He loses every time he gets a step up in competion. Nog should have a way better opponent and be pretty close to a title shot. Doesnt make sense to me. Can someone explain to me how Gonzaga is even relavent at this point. He loses every time he gets a step up in competion. Nog should have a way better opponent and be pretty close to a title shot. Doesnt make sense to me.

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]]> By: submit662266 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/03/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-vs-gabriel-gonzaga-possible-for-ufc-107/comment-page-1/#comment-128626 submit662266 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:49:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=17747#comment-128626 Nog should handle him. I would also rather see Nog v. Cain, but I think this will be a good fight. Nog should handle him. I would also rather see Nog v. Cain, but I think this will be a good fight.

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