Comments on: Reality Check: Dan Henderson http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 02:02:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Requested million dollar signing bonus brings Dan Henderson’s UFC negotiations to a screeching halt : Five Ounces of Pain http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130518 Requested million dollar signing bonus brings Dan Henderson’s UFC negotiations to a screeching halt : Five Ounces of Pain Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:56:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130518 [...] the world turns, the drama surrounding Dan Henderson and his future in mixed martial arts continues to [...] [...] the world turns, the drama surrounding Dan Henderson and his future in mixed martial arts continues to [...]

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]]> By: Niv http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130086 Niv Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:48:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130086 What blows me away here is how a rumour with a monetary figure can be taken so literally as fact on these sites. Let me say that I'm proud to have been the first one to float this possibility a while ago and I'm not surprised that Hendo may sign with SF. Hendo is a top notch fighter and deserves a good payday, whatever the figure is that is settled on by whomever he signs with. Trashing Hendo's UFC record isn't fair as my buddies and I thought he squeaked out a win against Rampage, I thought he did beat Franklin, and he's the only one in the Octagon to give the Spider a challenge as he dominated him in the first round. The guy has all the tools and he hasn't diminished yet, let the cards fall where they may and remember you're all getting excited over a leaked rumour. How many times can us mma fans get fooled with this one dimensional trick? What blows me away here is how a rumour with a monetary figure can be taken so literally as fact on these sites.

Let me say that I’m proud to have been the first one to float this possibility a while ago and I’m not surprised that Hendo may sign with SF.

Hendo is a top notch fighter and deserves a good payday, whatever the figure is that is settled on by whomever he signs with.

Trashing Hendo’s UFC record isn’t fair as my buddies and I thought he squeaked out a win against Rampage, I thought he did beat Franklin, and he’s the only one in the Octagon to give the Spider a challenge as he dominated him in the first round.

The guy has all the tools and he hasn’t diminished yet, let the cards fall where they may and remember you’re all getting excited over a leaked rumour. How many times can us mma fans get fooled with this one dimensional trick?

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]]> By: edbuzz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130076 edbuzz Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:27:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130076 Fella's, When Dan Henderson fights, he is usually the main event or the co-main event, meaning his probably going to be one of the top two or four highest paid fighters on the card that night. If he's making $250,000 for a win, the other top draws on that card are most likely not going to exceed that amount, unless it's Brock Lesnar. Even GSP doesn't make more than $250,000 for a win. The UFC can pay all the fighters of any pay per view event off the ticket sales of the arena they are fighting in that night with a million or more left over. Then you take into account that they made $87 million for UFC 100 with not a penny spent on fighters from that money YOU HAVE TO REALIZE AT THAT POINT THAT THE FIGHTERS ARE GROSSLY UNDERPAID. THE NBA, NFL, AND MLB PLAYER UNIONS HAVE IT IN THEIR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT THEY SPLIT TOTAL REVENUES 55/45 WHERE THE PLAYERS GET THE BIGGER SHARE. Meanwhile, Dana White and the Fertitta brothers, Frank and Lorenzo, have a mission statement of taking this sport mainstream. How can you take it mainstream without paying the fighters a fair portion of what they are bringing to Zuffa? We should all support Strikeforce so that fighters have another venue to bump up their salaries. HOW THE HELL DOES FRANK MIR ONLY GET PAID $45,000 TO GET A BEATING OF ALL BEATINGS BY BROCK LESNAR? FRANK MIR IS A FORMER CHAMPION, WAS THE CHAMPION AT THE TIME OF HIS WITH BROCK LESNAR. CAN ANYONE REASONBLY ARGUE HE WAS FAIRLY COMPENSATED FOR THAT FIGHT WHEN THE UFC DREW $6 MILLION AT THE ARENA THAT NIGHT AND ANOTHER $87 MILLION IN PAY PER VIEWS? Fella’s,

When Dan Henderson fights, he is usually the main event or the co-main event, meaning his probably going to be one of the top two or four highest paid fighters on the card that night. If he’s making $250,000 for a win, the other top draws on that card are most likely not going to exceed that amount, unless it’s Brock Lesnar. Even GSP doesn’t make more than $250,000 for a win.

The UFC can pay all the fighters of any pay per view event off the ticket sales of the arena they are fighting in that night with a million or more left over. Then you take into account that they made $87 million for UFC 100 with not a penny spent on fighters from that money YOU HAVE TO REALIZE AT THAT POINT THAT THE FIGHTERS ARE GROSSLY UNDERPAID.

THE NBA, NFL, AND MLB PLAYER UNIONS HAVE IT IN THEIR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT THEY SPLIT TOTAL REVENUES 55/45 WHERE THE PLAYERS GET THE BIGGER SHARE.

Meanwhile, Dana White and the Fertitta brothers, Frank and Lorenzo, have a mission statement of taking this sport mainstream. How can you take it mainstream without paying the fighters a fair portion of what they are bringing to Zuffa?

We should all support Strikeforce so that fighters have another venue to bump up their salaries.

HOW THE HELL DOES FRANK MIR ONLY GET PAID $45,000 TO GET A BEATING OF ALL BEATINGS BY BROCK LESNAR?

FRANK MIR IS A FORMER CHAMPION, WAS THE CHAMPION AT THE TIME OF HIS WITH BROCK LESNAR. CAN ANYONE REASONBLY ARGUE HE WAS FAIRLY COMPENSATED FOR THAT FIGHT WHEN THE UFC DREW $6 MILLION AT THE ARENA THAT NIGHT AND ANOTHER $87 MILLION IN PAY PER VIEWS?

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]]> By: GassedOut http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130074 GassedOut Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:51:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130074 You know, I'm thinking the UFC and Henderson's camp are just playing a very old game with very well-known stakes. I've seen this before in other industries (NHL Hockey comes to mind, as does the NFL) and it sometimes goes the athlete's way, but usually not (Alexi Yashin a few years ago, and he moved himself right out of being relevant, and that's only one example, there are others). I'm not a big fan of Hendo, but you can't deny he's the only guy ever to hold two belts simutaneosly. Does that mean he's that same guy? Probably not, but he sure did a good number on Bisping. What is the man worth? Well, probably more than they're paying him but less than he's asking. Does that mean he's going to Strikeforce? No. I think he's got half a brain (at least) and will make the decision that's right for him as a fighter and as a business man. Does that mean he goes to Strikeforce? Maybe, if the money and promotional aspects are right. Short term - I don't know that he's ready to go anywhere. But hell, I don't know, my crytal ball is in the shop with my 68 Mustang. Great article, Dave. You know, I’m thinking the UFC and Henderson’s camp are just playing a very old game with very well-known stakes. I’ve seen this before in other industries (NHL Hockey comes to mind, as does the NFL) and it sometimes goes the athlete’s way, but usually not (Alexi Yashin a few years ago, and he moved himself right out of being relevant, and that’s only one example, there are others).

I’m not a big fan of Hendo, but you can’t deny he’s the only guy ever to hold two belts simutaneosly. Does that mean he’s that same guy? Probably not, but he sure did a good number on Bisping. What is the man worth? Well, probably more than they’re paying him but less than he’s asking. Does that mean he’s going to Strikeforce? No. I think he’s got half a brain (at least) and will make the decision that’s right for him as a fighter and as a business man. Does that mean he goes to Strikeforce? Maybe, if the money and promotional aspects are right. Short term – I don’t know that he’s ready to go anywhere. But hell, I don’t know, my crytal ball is in the shop with my 68 Mustang.

Great article, Dave.

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130059 Angry Mike Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:07:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130059 Stirkeforce makes sense for Henderson only if they offer stupid money to sign him and plan to promote him relentlessly. If Strikeforce won't aggressively promote him, it should be less appealing. On the other hand, Henderson built his career in Japan with Pride and still has name recognition there. If Dream has money to throw around, that org. would be a better fit. He would be a bigger draw for Dream without the need for a media campaign. Stirkeforce makes sense for Henderson only if they offer stupid money to sign him and plan to promote him relentlessly. If Strikeforce won’t aggressively promote him, it should be less appealing. On the other hand, Henderson built his career in Japan with Pride and still has name recognition there. If Dream has money to throw around, that org. would be a better fit. He would be a bigger draw for Dream without the need for a media campaign.

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]]> By: submit662266 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130047 submit662266 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:42:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130047 It would be smart for Hendo to go with Strikeforce. He could set himself apart more easily. In the UFC, he is one of the many faces in the crowd (currently, there are 4 contenders to the MW belt). Dan could go to Strikeforce and knock 3-4 dudes out cold, build a reputation and larger following as a guy with heavy hands, and then comeback to the UFC for more $$. Hendo is the #2 MW in the ufc imo. Long-time mma fans know he has KO power. He needs to showcase that power, so that a larger # of people also know. When the casual fan and the newer fans demand to see him fight, they will throw gobs of $$ at him like they've thrown at Kimbo or Tito (both are not nearly as talented, but they've set themselves apart from everybody else). It would be smart for Hendo to go with Strikeforce. He could set himself apart more easily. In the UFC, he is one of the many faces in the crowd (currently, there are 4 contenders to the MW belt). Dan could go to Strikeforce and knock 3-4 dudes out cold, build a reputation and larger following as a guy with heavy hands, and then comeback to the UFC for more $$.

Hendo is the #2 MW in the ufc imo. Long-time mma fans know he has KO power. He needs to showcase that power, so that a larger # of people also know. When the casual fan and the newer fans demand to see him fight, they will throw gobs of $$ at him like they’ve thrown at Kimbo or Tito (both are not nearly as talented, but they’ve set themselves apart from everybody else).

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130044 sexy-yama Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:18:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130044 yeah but look at aa and sylvia now?got the paydays but are no longer relevant besides aa maybe,but they not in ufc nemore ,at best he beats the mooose then wat? MMA logic u get the THUMBS DOWN! :D yeah but look at aa and sylvia now?got the paydays but are no longer relevant besides aa maybe,but they not in ufc nemore ,at best he beats the mooose then wat? MMA logic u get the THUMBS DOWN! :D

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130043 sexy-yama Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:15:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130043 u want a reality check dan,how bout i knock your 2 front teeth down your throat man,ooops sorry som1 else already did it LOL,i hope he stays with ufc he is one of my favorite fighters and his ko of bisping was classic,but going 3-2 in ur last fight fights doesnt equall to 500k paydays,lets not forget u were decision dan b4 u knocked out bisbing,and truth be told he was b level fighter,not taking anything away from ur decision vctories thou,that headbutt and eyepoke against franklin got u over the line kudos my MAN,but hey watever it takes u want a reality check dan,how bout i knock your 2 front teeth down your throat man,ooops sorry som1 else already did it LOL,i hope he stays with ufc he is one of my favorite fighters and his ko of bisping was classic,but going 3-2 in ur last fight fights doesnt equall to 500k paydays,lets not forget u were decision dan b4 u knocked out bisbing,and truth be told he was b level fighter,not taking anything away from ur decision vctories thou,that headbutt and eyepoke against franklin got u over the line kudos my MAN,but hey watever it takes

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130035 MMA-LOGIC Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:22:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130035 "It’s often the athlete who’s the last to realize they are no longer a vital part of the big picture" Are you referring to Hendo here? since 2006 he has wins over Misaki, Phalhares, Bisping, Wanderlei, Belfort and Franklin. Please tell me if he is not a part of "the big picture" who is?. He is top 5 without a doubt and there is an argument for top 2. Surely that counts for something. You assume a lot in this article. Do you think that Hendo asked for an amount he couldn't get anywhere so he would be dropped or do you think that, just maybe, he has a brain and has negotiated like a grown up. I would say he knows what he is worth because he, like Arlovski, Sylvia and others, would be getting offers from other companies and knows what "they" are willing to pay. The UFC didn't let these guys go they said give me this or I'm out of here. You also attacked SF for their lack of marketing as if they didn't know what they were doing. Let me say that these guys know a little bit more about negotiating and running an MMA organization than you or I. Maybe there is a method to their madness. “It’s often the athlete who’s the last to realize they are no longer a vital part of the big picture”

Are you referring to Hendo here? since 2006 he has wins over Misaki, Phalhares, Bisping, Wanderlei, Belfort and Franklin. Please tell me if he is not a part of “the big picture” who is?. He is top 5 without a doubt and there is an argument for top 2. Surely that counts for something.

You assume a lot in this article. Do you think that Hendo asked for an amount he couldn’t get anywhere so he would be dropped or do you think that, just maybe, he has a brain and has negotiated like a grown up. I would say he knows what he is worth because he, like Arlovski, Sylvia and others, would be getting offers from other companies and knows what “they” are willing to pay. The UFC didn’t let these guys go they said give me this or I’m out of here. You also attacked SF for their lack of marketing as if they didn’t know what they were doing. Let me say that these guys know a little bit more about negotiating and running an MMA organization than you or I. Maybe there is a method to their madness.

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]]> By: madheartmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130032 madheartmma Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:30:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130032 Dana probably just said " tell 'em Hendo was askin $500K" . f#@k Tim Silva got over $500k for less than 50 seconds!. Hendo iS easily worth $200 to show + $150 to win. HE SELLS PAY-PER-VEIWS, TICKETS, HE KO'S M.F.ers. Dana paid Quit'en "Rampage" a GRIP of $$$. And Hendo fought Quit'en in his slump, (he should only fight at 185), but he's a dawg, a F'in ledgend, THE ONLY MAN TO WIN A ROUND W/ THE SPIDER, NO ONE ELSE CAN SAY THEY WON SHIZ FROM THE SPIDER IN THE UFC. ANY WAY STOP HATIN' ON HENDO, DANA DICK RIDERS! PAY THE MAN DECENTLY, DANA'$ A DICK, RICH , TALKIN LOUD-A$$,PU$$Y - LATER NUT-HUGGER$ Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: TerribleT http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130029 TerribleT Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:16:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130029 I'd like to see STRIKEFORCE sign as many big name fighters like Dan Henderson as they possibly can.Don't get me wrong bcuz I love the UFC but a I'm a fan of MMA as a whole.I want to watch top tier MMA fighters fight as much as I can and if that takes STRIKEFORCE signing some of the UFC's veteran fighters that can't agree on a new contract with them then so be it.It's a win win for me the fan not to mention that I want the best fighters to be publicized and to be known and being on CBS network television is in deed one sure way to get noticed! :-) I’d like to see STRIKEFORCE sign as many big name fighters like Dan Henderson as they possibly can.Don’t get me wrong bcuz I love the UFC but a I’m a fan of MMA as a whole.I want to watch top tier MMA fighters fight as much as I can and if that takes STRIKEFORCE signing some of the UFC’s veteran fighters that can’t agree on a new contract with them then so be it.It’s a win win for me the fan not to mention that I want the best fighters to be publicized and to be known and being on CBS network television is in deed one sure way to get noticed! :-)

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130027 David Andrest Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:06:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130027 <blockquote cite="comment-130018"> <strong><a href="#comment-130018" rel="nofollow">H3ro</a></strong>: David Andrest–I don’t know why you are making such a big deal about why I chose $500K for what Dan Henderson was asking for. </blockquote> H3ro, I think you may have misuderstood my intent. It wason't you choosing anything, it's the fact that a number was floated, in this case 500 K per fight. and now people will discuss it, and walk away with the notion that Dan Henderson is a pain in the ass who is asking for more than he is worth. This had NOTHING to do with you, or what you said. It had more to do with the fact that it's now discussion. sorta like the running joke about the UFC being asked to build a sports complex in Russia if they want to sign Fedor. float , let the public chew on it, and the truth no longer matters. and for the record I'm NOT a Dan Henderson fan. I am however a fan of the game being played, and everyone is playing it well.

H3ro: David Andrest–I don’t know why you are making such a big deal about why I chose $500K for what Dan Henderson was asking for.

H3ro, I think you may have misuderstood my intent. It wason’t you choosing anything, it’s the fact that a number was floated, in this case 500 K per fight. and now people will discuss it, and walk away with the notion that Dan Henderson is a pain in the ass who is asking for more than he is worth.

This had NOTHING to do with you, or what you said. It had more to do with the fact that it’s now discussion.

sorta like the running joke about the UFC being asked to build a sports complex in Russia if they want to sign Fedor.

float , let the public chew on it, and the truth no longer matters.

and for the record I’m NOT a Dan Henderson fan. I am however a fan of the game being played, and everyone is playing it well.

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]]> By: meatloaf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130023 meatloaf Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130023 <blockquote cite="comment-130018"> <strong><a href="#comment-130018" rel="nofollow">H3ro</a></strong>: David Andrest–I don’t know why you are making such a big deal about why I chose $500K for what Dan Henderson was asking for. I don’t care if that figure istrue or not, I don’t think he deserves $200K per fight.Hendo is not a headliner for a PPV event, he is almost 40 yrs old so his past his prime, and his record in the UFC is only 3-2.He beat Bisping, Rousimar gave Hendo a tough 3 rounds, and didn’t impress me against Franklin. All we know is that Hendo is probably asking for a lot of money.$200K and over per fight.I understand Zuffa/Dana Whites point of view on why they don’t want to pay him the money.I know it sounds like I’m hating on Hendo, but I’m just disappointed that he has not signed with the UFC by now after what UFC has done for his career. </blockquote> Hendo has a 5 & 2 UFC record and you can call it a tough 3 rds. all you want to make it sound like a close fight but Hendo won all 3rds from Paul Harris and dominated the fight. The first sentence in your first post was "I'm a Dan Henderson fan" Well all I can say after reading both of your posts is I'm glad you're not a Dan Henderson hater.

H3ro: David Andrest–I don’t know why you are making such a big deal about why I chose $500K for what Dan Henderson was asking for. I don’t care if that figure istrue or not, I don’t think he deserves $200K per fight.Hendo is not a headliner for a PPV event, he is almost 40 yrs old so his past his prime, and his record in the UFC is only 3-2.He beat Bisping, Rousimar gave Hendo a tough 3 rounds, and didn’t impress me against Franklin.
All we know is that Hendo is probably asking for a lot of money.$200K and over per fight.I understand Zuffa/Dana Whites point of view on why they don’t want to pay him the money.I know it sounds like I’m hating on Hendo, but I’m just disappointed that he has not signed with the UFC by now after what UFC has done for his career.

Hendo has a 5 & 2 UFC record and you can call it a tough 3 rds. all you want to make it sound like a close fight but Hendo won all 3rds from Paul Harris and dominated the fight.

The first sentence in your first post was “I’m a Dan Henderson fan”
Well all I can say after reading both of your posts is I’m glad you’re not a Dan Henderson hater.

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]]> By: H3ro http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130018 H3ro Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:32:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130018 David Andrest - I don't know why you are making such a big deal about why I chose $500K for what Dan Henderson was asking for. I don't care if that figure is true or not, I don't think he deserves $200K per fight. Hendo is not a headliner for a PPV event, he is almost 40 yrs old so his past his prime, and his record in the UFC is only 3-2. He beat Bisping, Rousimar gave Hendo a tough 3 rounds, and didn't impress me against Franklin. All we know is that Hendo is probably asking for a lot of money. $200K and over per fight. I understand Zuffa/Dana Whites point of view on why they don't want to pay him the money. I know it sounds like I'm hating on Hendo, but I'm just disappointed that he has not signed with the UFC by now after what UFC has done for his career. David Andrest – I don’t know why you are making such a big deal about why I chose $500K for what Dan Henderson was asking for. I don’t care if that figure is true or not, I don’t think he deserves $200K per fight. Hendo is not a headliner for a PPV event, he is almost 40 yrs old so his past his prime, and his record in the UFC is only 3-2. He beat Bisping, Rousimar gave Hendo a tough 3 rounds, and didn’t impress me against Franklin.
All we know is that Hendo is probably asking for a lot of money. $200K and over per fight. I understand Zuffa/Dana Whites point of view on why they don’t want to pay him the money.

I know it sounds like I’m hating on Hendo, but I’m just disappointed that he has not signed with the UFC by now after what UFC has done for his career.

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]]> By: submit662266 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130014 submit662266 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:25:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130014 I agree with the comment about being a Hendo fan, but Hendo is living in an altered reality if he thinks he'll get 500,000 per outing. Just b/c somebody is a great fighter does not translate to the fact that someone will have big ppv #s. Look at Anderson Silva. Outside of 2 lackluster showings (which he easily won) he is unbelievable. He is the BEST fighter in the game, and yet he does not pull big #'s. If the world were a fair place, he'd be raking it in hand over fist and everybody would watch his fights. The fact of the matter is that Kimbo will probably make more $$ than Hendo or the Spider b/c people love to watch him MORE for some absurd reason. The other thing about fighter $$ is that they get a ppv cut also. Whenever we see that a guy like Chuck (top-draw) made $500,000, he probably made something closer to $1,000,000 (maybe more?) after ppv numbers are tallied. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was their pay structure. I agree with the comment about being a Hendo fan, but Hendo is living in an altered reality if he thinks he’ll get 500,000 per outing. Just b/c somebody is a great fighter does not translate to the fact that someone will have big ppv #s. Look at Anderson Silva. Outside of 2 lackluster showings (which he easily won) he is unbelievable. He is the BEST fighter in the game, and yet he does not pull big #’s. If the world were a fair place, he’d be raking it in hand over fist and everybody would watch his fights. The fact of the matter is that Kimbo will probably make more $$ than Hendo or the Spider b/c people love to watch him MORE for some absurd reason.

The other thing about fighter $$ is that they get a ppv cut also. Whenever we see that a guy like Chuck (top-draw) made $500,000, he probably made something closer to $1,000,000 (maybe more?) after ppv numbers are tallied. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that was their pay structure.

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130012 edub Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:01:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130012 I wonder if he is asking for over 250 to show. I think 250 to show for Hendo would be pretty fair. 250 to show 350 to win. Then again I also think a guy like Frank Mir is worth a whole lot more than 40 to show, so what do i know. I wonder if he is asking for over 250 to show. I think 250 to show for Hendo would be pretty fair. 250 to show 350 to win.

Then again I also think a guy like Frank Mir is worth a whole lot more than 40 to show, so what do i know.

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]]> By: Pajamashark http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130010 Pajamashark Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130010 I think this "leak" is being used as a negotiating strategy by one or either side. If people are outraged at UFC not signing Hendo likeyesterdayomg, Dan's side just got a boost. If there is a collective "meh", Dana's position just got stronger. Either way, if they can't agree on a number, the court of public opinion is certainly a valid way to test the "worth" of a fighter's contract. In the end it's the fans that pay both their bills. (And P.S. I'd just chime in and say I find the ads creepy and off-putting too. I know there is nothing you can do about them and 5oz needs to get paid, I just wonder what the ad creators are thinking.) (P.P.S. Your "note" from Dana to Dan is pure hilarious GOLD! <3 <3) I think this “leak” is being used as a negotiating strategy by one or either side.

If people are outraged at UFC not signing Hendo likeyesterdayomg, Dan’s side just got a boost. If there is a collective “meh”, Dana’s position just got stronger.

Either way, if they can’t agree on a number, the court of public opinion is certainly a valid way to test the “worth” of a fighter’s contract. In the end it’s the fans that pay both their bills.

(And P.S. I’d just chime in and say I find the ads creepy and off-putting too. I know there is nothing you can do about them and 5oz needs to get paid, I just wonder what the ad creators are thinking.)
(P.P.S. Your “note” from Dana to Dan is pure hilarious GOLD! <3 <3)

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]]> By: meatloaf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130009 meatloaf Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:58:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130009 <blockquote cite="comment-130007"> <strong><a href="#comment-130007" rel="nofollow">David Andrest</a></strong>: That is kinda the bigger pointH3ro, I’m always amazed at“what” information makes it’s way to our web browsers. ( the 500k number was floated by someone, and my guess it wasn’t Henderson) This was just funny to me based on timing, and method. The only thing we are missing is a trip toCharmichael Dave’s show by Danaand it will be a perfect Trifecta.I’m not hating on the man,he is a puppet master,I am in awe. </blockquote> I'm in awe as well David. In awe that people don't get tired of Dana's act. But after reading H3ro's comments it's obvious some people never tire of drinking the Kool Aid. It's the same thing over & over again for Dana if things don't go exactly as he'd like he uses his mouthpiece on Yahoo sports to stir the pot and as you pointed out the next step will be a spot on the Charmichael Dave show to put a positive spin on things for his fans. If anyone is actually believing that Dan Henderson is turning down a half a million dollars a fight then they'll believe any rumor Zuffa puts out there to get the blogs & message boards to light up. As for Yahoo how they can justify not taking action against Iole for once again running with a story without checking the facts with both sides and also once again changing parts of his posted story without mentioning it's been amended after other reliable MMA journalist like Josh Gross does check with the other parties involved is a disgrace.

David Andrest: That is kinda the bigger pointH3ro, I’m always amazed at“what” information makes it’s way to our web browsers. ( the 500k number was floated by someone, and my guess it wasn’t Henderson) This was just funny to me based on timing, and method. The only thing we are missing is a trip toCharmichael Dave’s show by Danaand it will be a perfect Trifecta.I’m not hating on the man,he is a puppet master,I am in awe.

I’m in awe as well David. In awe that people don’t get tired of Dana’s act. But after reading H3ro’s comments it’s obvious some people never tire of drinking the Kool Aid.

It’s the same thing over & over again for Dana if things don’t go exactly as he’d like he uses his mouthpiece on Yahoo sports to stir the pot and as you pointed out the next step will be a spot on the Charmichael Dave show to put a positive spin on things for his fans.

If anyone is actually believing that Dan Henderson is turning down a half a million dollars a fight then they’ll believe any rumor Zuffa puts out there to get the blogs & message boards to light up.

As for Yahoo how they can justify not taking action against Iole for once again running with a story without checking the facts with both sides and also once again changing parts of his posted story without mentioning it’s been amended after other reliable MMA journalist like Josh Gross does check with the other parties involved is a disgrace.

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]]> By: Angry Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130008 Angry Mike Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:07:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130008 It's not my decision to make, but I'd pay Hendo another 50k per fight just for exposing Bisping. I always thought his ego was way ahead of his skills, but I really started to dislike the guy when he was a coach on TUF.

It’s not my decision to make, but I’d pay Hendo another 50k per fight just for exposing Bisping. I always thought his ego was way ahead of his skills, but I really started to dislike the guy when he was a coach on TUF.

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/17/reality-check-dan-henderson/comment-page-1/#comment-130007 David Andrest Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:55:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18065#comment-130007 That is kinda the bigger point H3ro, I'm always amazed at "what" information makes it's way to our web browsers. ( the 500k number was floated by someone, and my guess it wasn't Henderson) This was just funny to me based on timing, and method. The only thing we are missing is a trip to Charmichael Dave's show by Dana and it will be a perfect Trifecta. I'm not hating on the man, he is a puppet master, I am in awe. That is kinda the bigger point H3ro, I’m always amazed at “what” information makes it’s way to our web browsers. ( the 500k number was floated by someone, and my guess it wasn’t Henderson) This was just funny to me based on timing, and method. The only thing we are missing is a trip to Charmichael Dave’s show by Dana and it will be a perfect Trifecta.

I’m not hating on the man, he is a puppet master, I am in awe.

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