Comments on: UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun LIVE results and Play by Play

By: js

js — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:04:20 +0000

The UFC is now corrupted. It’s no longer safe to bet money on it’s fights. And I’ll be prepared to be sickend everytime the raise a losers hand. I’m stunned it happened before my eyes. And I’m also a member of the Mazzagatti GO HOME committee!!!!!!! Anthony Johnston!@#$@
Fighters /Fans / gamblers -NEED TO BE LOUD AND WRITE THE RIGHT PEOPLE!

By: Tcan

Tcan — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:41:50 +0000

I dont think the fight was fixed in the traditional sense (like coleman v takada). However I do think that it was not on the up and up. What is the end game? i dont know. Why? again I dont know. But with the UFC structered the way it is there is no accountability. I love this sport and it bothers me to see it head down the path of entertainment rather than sport. Its worried me for awhile, with the staged trash talk, the television show, and Danas schorched earth business policy. Ive always feared that a fix of some sort was not a matter of if but when. im not a Machida hater im a huge fan he was the back end of a 4 fight parlay(yes im keeping the cash). ill say it again i dont think it was a blatant fix, but somethings up. i would love to hear the justification on the scoring.

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:44:33 +0000

It’s hard to read your post madheart with all those caps lol. I can only picture it sounding like the guy from powerthirst. youtube it if you don’t get the reference.

By: madheartmma

madheartmma — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:04 +0000

MMA-LOGIC says: RESULT WAS FIXED!!!!!! I think an inquiry should be held into this.

I think that whole “fixed” idea, isnt a bad argument. EVERY PRO SPORT HAS HAD SOME KIND OF FIXED, THROWN, DROPPED etc. thing happen to it. It just makes you wonder if / when it will happen here. I have only watched the fight once, BUT I HAD RUA WINNING W/ OUT A DOUBT. Ther is ALOT OF MONEY INVOLVED IN THIS FIGHT, AND IT WOULD BE EASIER TO FIX THAN FOOTBALL, BASKET & BASEBALL. BUT…THE CHANCES OF THIS ONE ARE…UM.. I dont know, Machida was a 4 – 1 favorite, MMa-Logic has a point.

By: madheartmma

madheartmma — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:16:00 +0000

Mazzagatti SUCKS !!! This ISN’T the first time he’s f~cked up either, Dana White evens voices his opinion (surprise,surprise) on his dislike for Mazzagatti, SOMEONE SHOULD START A “MAZZAGATTI SHOULD ‘NT REF ANYBODY.COM” site. For real tho. Granted Cain was ALL over Ben Rothwell, but these guys are pro, THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE FOR A LIVING ! Rothwell WAS STANDING UP ! UNDER HIS OWN POWER, those punches might really hurt you and me (not so much me..just kidding) but he was still in the process of cage walking up to his feet. He wasnt getting smashed like Mir vs. Lesnar smashed. NOW, Mazzagatii takes away someones ten year in the making debut. EVEN CAIN SAID IT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN STOPPED SO SOON. AND WE ALL KNOW ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN A FIGHT, (even tho, Rothwell probably still would of lost.)You can gain alot of respect for a fighter even when he loses ( jason “MAYHEM” miller vs. GSP). BESIDES ALL THAT CAIN IS A BEAST !! I THINK HE’S ABOUT 2-3 FIGHTS AWAY FROM A TITLE SHOT, NOT THAT HE DOESNT DESERVE ONE NOW, HE DOES 4 SURE, BUT JUST TO GET A LITTLE MORE PRIMED, and hit the weights a little more, Lesnar and Carwin ARE STRONG M.F-ers. so..who’s gonna start the MAZZAGATTI SHOULD ‘NT REF ANYBODY.COM ?

By: js

js — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:44:40 +0000

Listen – Everybody who saw the fight, including the three judges, knows that Shogun won the fight. I think the way to rectify this situation would be for UFC president Dana White to publicly and explicitly denounce the credibility (or at least the competency) of all three judges and also pay Shogun out of his own pocket the prize money he should have won! I think if enough people write letters and call to pressure Dana White into doing that he might. And he might also take steps to change the judges -whatever steps those might be – he’s the president and it’s his business thats being soiled and it’s he who should fix it – if not the CSAC.

By: js

js — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:35:13 +0000

I think everyone is taking this too lightly. Shogun was robbed fans were robbed people who put money on him were robbed literally. I think this is a legal matter and I think that there is something that can be done about it. I don’t figure UFC fans for boy-cotters – but are there any people with legal backgrounds that have an idea about how to take action on this matter. There might be worse travesties in the world, but I personally can’t let this rest. The UFC means too much to me.

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:07:49 +0000

I was already a believer of Velasquez, but I don’t like his chances against Lesnar, or possibly Carwin. I just don’t think he would be able to toss them around with the ease he does everyone else. I would be pulling for him and I hope he gets the shot but I don’t know if he has the strength to control them everywhere.

By: king mah mah

king mah mah — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:02:39 +0000

FUCK THIS SHIT!!!! Shogun put on a beautiful performance, but was still robbed! I really don’t know what to say besides that. If you think Machida won, then you are retarded! Simple as that! Machida fans don’t have much to grasp onto here!

By: MMA-LOGIC

MMA-LOGIC — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:59:19 +0000

Just thought I would add I was wrong about Valasquez, he looks the part and would be more than a hand full for any top HW.

By: MMA-LOGIC

MMA-LOGIC — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:53:00 +0000

RESULT WAS FIXED!!!!!! I think an inquiry should be held into this. Rua hit more often, harder and did more damage was more aggressive(octagon control) and there were no take downs to cloud things, so what area did Machida win in?. It was FIXED! Too much money involved in a Randy vs Machida fight for the UFC to let Rua win…WHICH HE DID!.
Rothwell was fine too.

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:48:00 +0000

On a side note, did Chael Sonnen not look like a complete beast or what? He absolutely dominated that fight in a way I didn’t think he could.

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:44:23 +0000

I think Shogun won by the way. I gave him it 4 rounds to 1, so ease up a little. What I’m saying is there is no way Shogun can do anything about the judges now. Anthony Johnson couldn’t even get his decision overturned after he got his eye ball pushed somewhere in the back of his skull.

The only way for Shogun to get the belt is to beat Machida again, simple.

By: edub

edub — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:43:09 +0000

Make hes just made so many bad decisions in big fights I cant even count em all. He should of left when they stopped using larry landless.

By: king mah mah

king mah mah — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:41:54 +0000

@Markinton – What the fuck are you talking about? Why should Shogun be forced to beat Machida twice just because people are high on crack?!

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:41:24 +0000

It all started happening once he began to shave his mustache away edub, He basically shaved his pride away. That was when he let the bad times roll.

By: edub

edub — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:40:17 +0000

king mah mah: @edub- Why should he have to do it again when he just did it tonight?!

Hahaha true true.

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:39:33 +0000

@ paddlos, that’s exactly what I was saying about my De La Hoya comment. You could see it on Shogun’s face. He was too much of a gentleman to admit outright that the judging was skewered.

By: edub

edub — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:39:29 +0000

king mah mah: Wheather we’re clear and informed or not, Shogun won that fight and you know it!!!! Don’t try and sugar coat a shitty decision! especially THE WORST DECISION I’VE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!

I dont know if thats against me man, but I agree it was a bad decision. Just the way the rounds are scored it was bound to be closer than we all thought. Damage needs to be addressed in scoring. Rua did at least twice the amount of damage in that fight. On a side note. Mazzagatti needs to be relieved of his duties. If I was a fighter I would argue with all my power to not have him ref one of my fights. He almost seems power hungry in the cage.

By: Makington

Makington — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:38:22 +0000

Because there isn’t anything they can do about what happened tonight. It’s not like Dana can just sneak up behind Lyoto during the post fight presser and sneak the belt over to Shogun and act like everyone just misheard the last half hour of their life.

A rematch is the closest thing to justice, even though I am with edub, Shogun did the fight so perfect that I don’t think he could do it again, and he definitely couldn’t do it with the same plan.