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		<title>By: The Driver</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/10/27/shooting-from-the-hip-ufc-104-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-131313</link>
		<dc:creator>The Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy Pat Barry hugged after his fight was not a CSAC official. That was Joe Silva. It was funny though.</description>
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		<title>By: Makington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well striking is imo the least tiring aspect of MMA, except for the obvious ones like laying and praying. I think Bader wasted too much energy when he was trying to finish Eric, who prove his jaw is made of some sort of space metal. The crazy thing is though Eric was dazed, he never looked like he was in a lot of trouble to getting knocked out. Then again, he absorbed quite a few flush knees that would have murdered a normal human in his fight with Houston Alexander. I look forward to seeing both fighters again soon, but I really hope Bader tightens things up with his striking and fights a bit smarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well striking is imo the least tiring aspect of MMA, except for the obvious ones like laying and praying. I think Bader wasted too much energy when he was trying to finish Eric, who prove his jaw is made of some sort of space metal. The crazy thing is though Eric was dazed, he never looked like he was in a lot of trouble to getting knocked out. Then again, he absorbed quite a few flush knees that would have murdered a normal human in his fight with Houston Alexander. I look forward to seeing both fighters again soon, but I really hope Bader tightens things up with his striking and fights a bit smarter.</p>
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		<title>By: MMApride19</title>
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		<dc:creator>MMApride19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-131179&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131179&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fanoftna33&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Okami is to good for the ufc to let go, he has been overwhelmed in 1 fight for the ufc out of 8 total fights thats not bad.
Before Bader gets a fight against someone like Ortiz he needs to address his lack of conditioning. He clearly lost the second round against Schafer and looked a little like Coleman does after the first round of his fight. Schafer has been finished off by guys like Bisping and Bonner so a very lackluster decision win against him does not earn anybody the right to fight someone like Ortiz, maybe Cantwell, but nobody near the top 20.

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The main problem with Bader... is how often he thrown those bombs. He rarely does anything to set the big shots up. And literally just threw huge bombs all the time. That would fatigue most fighters out quickly... He needed to pace himself abit in that fight, and throw a variety of strikes rather than BIG bombs lol. Because i really think against higher competition.. those punches will be far to easy to telegraph.. and then counter. Or... as we saw in his fight against Schafer, let him tire himself out lol. He was just throwing everything into those shots haha. I couldnt believe how Schafer survived those big shots though... wow... just wow... lol. He took some HUGE shots. And some how recovered!! Couldnt believe it lol. He is tough as nails that guy.

Bader needs to learn to throw more combinations in order to set up those KO punches. Because against a better striker... he is going to get caught.

However, i think Bader is a bright prospect for the LHW division. He should do very well in the next few years. Well im predicting he will. A few fights and wins against some higher fighters in the LHW division will propel him right into the top contender picture. But he is going to have hard work getting there lol.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-131179" rel="nofollow">fanoftna33</a></strong>: Okami is to good for the ufc to let go, he has been overwhelmed in 1 fight for the ufc out of 8 total fights thats not bad.<br />
Before Bader gets a fight against someone like Ortiz he needs to address his lack of conditioning. He clearly lost the second round against Schafer and looked a little like Coleman does after the first round of his fight. Schafer has been finished off by guys like Bisping and Bonner so a very lackluster decision win against him does not earn anybody the right to fight someone like Ortiz, maybe Cantwell, but nobody near the top 20.</p>
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<p>The main problem with Bader&#8230; is how often he thrown those bombs. He rarely does anything to set the big shots up. And literally just threw huge bombs all the time. That would fatigue most fighters out quickly&#8230; He needed to pace himself abit in that fight, and throw a variety of strikes rather than BIG bombs lol. Because i really think against higher competition.. those punches will be far to easy to telegraph.. and then counter. Or&#8230; as we saw in his fight against Schafer, let him tire himself out lol. He was just throwing everything into those shots haha. I couldnt believe how Schafer survived those big shots though&#8230; wow&#8230; just wow&#8230; lol. He took some HUGE shots. And some how recovered!! Couldnt believe it lol. He is tough as nails that guy.</p>
<p>Bader needs to learn to throw more combinations in order to set up those KO punches. Because against a better striker&#8230; he is going to get caught.</p>
<p>However, i think Bader is a bright prospect for the LHW division. He should do very well in the next few years. Well im predicting he will. A few fights and wins against some higher fighters in the LHW division will propel him right into the top contender picture. But he is going to have hard work getting there lol.</p>
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		<title>By: edub</title>
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		<dc:creator>edub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Wow, The comments made about Mazagatti are really crazy in this article. I think people are so upset about Shogun losing that comments are just flying crazy like bats out of hell. He warned Rothwell that if you don’t start intelligently defending yourself, then he’s gonna stop the fight. Ben looked him in the eye and acknowledged that he understood. So if you ask me, the ref did his job. Everyone scores differently in fights. I think you’re nuts to score 50-45. I know we’re all upset here but lets not get too crazy. The actual score was 46-45 i believe (may be wrong) which is a just score. Except it should have been in Shogun’s favor. Just my opinion.
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You&#039;ll prolly get flamed for it but i gotta agree with you on the last part. 50-45 wouldve been a terrible score IMO. However it wouldve done justice to the fight in that the right fighter would have won. 

The thing about Mazzagati is that he warned and warned, but he didnt pay attention. Ben Rothwell was sliding himself against the fence for a chance to get up. He was doing fine gettting his knees together and waiting to stand up. Although he was taking some hard shots while he was doing it he was on his way up when the fight was stopped. There is just no excuse for that. When your a referee you have to treat everyone fair but know every fighter individually in the same breath. Has Mazzagatti not seen Rothwell fight before? Did he not see the freakish amount of punishment he was able to take against Arlovski?

However you look at it its still a bad stoppage. And it is no where near the first for Mazzagatti.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-131201" rel="nofollow">deals</a></strong>: Wow, The comments made about Mazagatti are really crazy in this article. I think people are so upset about Shogun losing that comments are just flying crazy like bats out of hell. He warned Rothwell that if you don’t start intelligently defending yourself, then he’s gonna stop the fight. Ben looked him in the eye and acknowledged that he understood. So if you ask me, the ref did his job. Everyone scores differently in fights. I think you’re nuts to score 50-45. I know we’re all upset here but lets not get too crazy. The actual score was 46-45 i believe (may be wrong) which is a just score. Except it should have been in Shogun’s favor. Just my opinion.
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<p>You&#8217;ll prolly get flamed for it but i gotta agree with you on the last part. 50-45 wouldve been a terrible score IMO. However it wouldve done justice to the fight in that the right fighter would have won. </p>
<p>The thing about Mazzagati is that he warned and warned, but he didnt pay attention. Ben Rothwell was sliding himself against the fence for a chance to get up. He was doing fine gettting his knees together and waiting to stand up. Although he was taking some hard shots while he was doing it he was on his way up when the fight was stopped. There is just no excuse for that. When your a referee you have to treat everyone fair but know every fighter individually in the same breath. Has Mazzagatti not seen Rothwell fight before? Did he not see the freakish amount of punishment he was able to take against Arlovski?</p>
<p>However you look at it its still a bad stoppage. And it is no where near the first for Mazzagatti.</p>
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		<title>By: deals</title>
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		<dc:creator>deals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, The comments made about Mazagatti are really crazy in this article. I think people are so upset about Shogun losing that comments are just flying crazy like bats out of hell. 

He warned Rothwell that if you don&#039;t start intelligently defending yourself, then he&#039;s gonna stop the fight. Ben looked him in the eye and acknowledged that he understood. So if you ask me, the ref did his job. 

Everyone scores differently in fights. I think you&#039;re nuts to score 50-45. I know we&#039;re all upset here but lets not get too crazy. The actual score was 46-45 i believe (may be wrong) which is a just score. Except it should have been in Shogun&#039;s favor. 

Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, The comments made about Mazagatti are really crazy in this article. I think people are so upset about Shogun losing that comments are just flying crazy like bats out of hell. </p>
<p>He warned Rothwell that if you don&#8217;t start intelligently defending yourself, then he&#8217;s gonna stop the fight. Ben looked him in the eye and acknowledged that he understood. So if you ask me, the ref did his job. </p>
<p>Everyone scores differently in fights. I think you&#8217;re nuts to score 50-45. I know we&#8217;re all upset here but lets not get too crazy. The actual score was 46-45 i believe (may be wrong) which is a just score. Except it should have been in Shogun&#8217;s favor. </p>
<p>Just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Makington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say it everytime, but this, and Grappling With the Issues are the best things about this site, and why I visit this one exclusively. However, it seemed a bit shorter this time, which makes me a sad, sad boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say it everytime, but this, and Grappling With the Issues are the best things about this site, and why I visit this one exclusively. However, it seemed a bit shorter this time, which makes me a sad, sad boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I&#039;m convinced that we&#039;ll be getting the notice of Okami&#039;s release from the UFC later this week.. It&#039;s a shame, but the UFC clearly doesn&#039;t want to market this guy, and a loss to Sonnen probably erases everything Yushin did previously in the UFC&#039;s eyes..

2. Bader has some seriously scary power.. I mean, WOW! That running right hand in the 1st round blew my mind.. With that said, Red Schafer&#039;s chin is GODLY.. How he survived all those bombs, I may never know.. 

3. The only thing Cain Velasquez got robbed of was a definitive knockout victory.. In the opening moments I thought Rothwell actually looked pretty good (I figured he would have a rough Octagon debut). His striking was crisp.  But Cain changed all that very quickly.. Cain&#039;s a small guy compared to some of these other HW&#039;s, but his power is certainly on par.. He wore Big Ben down, and NEVER stopped for a second.. He was constantly punching and transitioning.. He&#039;s moving up the ladder, we&#039;ll so how he does against the Heavyweight elite..

Also, it&#039;s nice to see Joe Daddy back to his old ways.. He hit a rough patch there for a while, but now he&#039;s been reinvented at the Jackson camp, and he&#039;s back to that brutal, controlling wrestling of his.. It&#039;ll be nice to see where he goes from here..

Oh, and Anthony Johnson is still a scary, scary man..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I&#8217;m convinced that we&#8217;ll be getting the notice of Okami&#8217;s release from the UFC later this week.. It&#8217;s a shame, but the UFC clearly doesn&#8217;t want to market this guy, and a loss to Sonnen probably erases everything Yushin did previously in the UFC&#8217;s eyes..</p>
<p>2. Bader has some seriously scary power.. I mean, WOW! That running right hand in the 1st round blew my mind.. With that said, Red Schafer&#8217;s chin is GODLY.. How he survived all those bombs, I may never know.. </p>
<p>3. The only thing Cain Velasquez got robbed of was a definitive knockout victory.. In the opening moments I thought Rothwell actually looked pretty good (I figured he would have a rough Octagon debut). His striking was crisp.  But Cain changed all that very quickly.. Cain&#8217;s a small guy compared to some of these other HW&#8217;s, but his power is certainly on par.. He wore Big Ben down, and NEVER stopped for a second.. He was constantly punching and transitioning.. He&#8217;s moving up the ladder, we&#8217;ll so how he does against the Heavyweight elite..</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s nice to see Joe Daddy back to his old ways.. He hit a rough patch there for a while, but now he&#8217;s been reinvented at the Jackson camp, and he&#8217;s back to that brutal, controlling wrestling of his.. It&#8217;ll be nice to see where he goes from here..</p>
<p>Oh, and Anthony Johnson is still a scary, scary man..</p>
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		<title>By: edub</title>
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		<dc:creator>edub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-131179&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131179&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fanoftna33&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: He clearly lost the second round against Schafer and looked a little like Coleman does after the first round of his fight. Schafer has been finished off by guys like Bisping and Bonner so a very lackluster decision win against him does not earn anybody the right to fight someone like Ortiz
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This.

Id agree with what Xspur said in give him Soszynski.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-131179" rel="nofollow">fanoftna33</a></strong>: He clearly lost the second round against Schafer and looked a little like Coleman does after the first round of his fight. Schafer has been finished off by guys like Bisping and Bonner so a very lackluster decision win against him does not earn anybody the right to fight someone like Ortiz
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<p>This.</p>
<p>Id agree with what Xspur said in give him Soszynski.</p>
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		<title>By: fanoftna33</title>
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		<dc:creator>fanoftna33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okami is to good for the ufc to let go, he has been overwhelmed in 1 fight for the ufc out of 8 total fights thats not bad.
Before Bader gets a fight against someone like Ortiz he needs to address his lack of conditioning. He clearly lost the second round against Schafer and looked a little like Coleman does after the first round of his fight. Schafer has been finished off by guys like Bisping and Bonner so a very lackluster decision win against him does not earn anybody the right to fight someone like Ortiz, maybe Cantwell, but nobody near the top 20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okami is to good for the ufc to let go, he has been overwhelmed in 1 fight for the ufc out of 8 total fights thats not bad.<br />
Before Bader gets a fight against someone like Ortiz he needs to address his lack of conditioning. He clearly lost the second round against Schafer and looked a little like Coleman does after the first round of his fight. Schafer has been finished off by guys like Bisping and Bonner so a very lackluster decision win against him does not earn anybody the right to fight someone like Ortiz, maybe Cantwell, but nobody near the top 20.</p>
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		<title>By: RoadsideGraphix</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoadsideGraphix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rua put a beating on Machida but he didnt beat him down. I think the rematch will end in a KO one way or the other.

MMA points system is flawed and we could probably get a computer to give more accurate results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rua put a beating on Machida but he didnt beat him down. I think the rematch will end in a KO one way or the other.</p>
<p>MMA points system is flawed and we could probably get a computer to give more accurate results.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was literally speechless when they announced Machida as the winner.  I was favoring him the whole way, but by the end of the fight I felt sure Rua had won.  He pressed the action the entire fight and one look at the bruises on Machida&#039;s body tell you he was landing effectively.

I agree completely with the need to rapidly change the judges who score these fights.  How about getting some guys who have actually been fighters in the past or experienced trainers who really know what they&#039;re seeing in the cage to judge the fights.  Traditional boxing judges have proven they have little understanding of how to effectively judge an MMA bout.  Viva Revolucion!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was literally speechless when they announced Machida as the winner.  I was favoring him the whole way, but by the end of the fight I felt sure Rua had won.  He pressed the action the entire fight and one look at the bruises on Machida&#8217;s body tell you he was landing effectively.</p>
<p>I agree completely with the need to rapidly change the judges who score these fights.  How about getting some guys who have actually been fighters in the past or experienced trainers who really know what they&#8217;re seeing in the cage to judge the fights.  Traditional boxing judges have proven they have little understanding of how to effectively judge an MMA bout.  Viva Revolucion!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MacBatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacBatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well I’m sorry Cecil, but the way you saw it sucked.&quot;  - Cory Brady

That quote is priceless!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well I’m sorry Cecil, but the way you saw it sucked.&#8221;  &#8211; Cory Brady</p>
<p>That quote is priceless!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Xspur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xspur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-Okami, you&#039;re a great fighter, but just not entertaining enough for the UFC I guess. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll be watching you in SF. How cool would that be? very...
-Bader is ready for a step up in competition, but we all know how the UFC wants to milk these TUF guys along. Personally I&#039;d love to see him fight Jon Jones, but I doubt that&#039;s one the UFC is wanting to put on. Perhaps he likes of Soszynski, Hamill, or dare I say Jardine??!
-The fact that we all know Rothwell was headed to dream land doesn&#039;t justify the stoppage. Like Cory said, it robbed from both fighters. They were in Calli, where the hell was Big Jon!! As far as the RNC goes, I think Cain is afraid to getting his position reversed and ending up on his back. And that&#039;s why we don&#039;t see him going for allot of submissions. As a wrestler, and a very good one, I&#039;m sure he is just more comfortable maintaining position and going for the TKO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-Okami, you&#8217;re a great fighter, but just not entertaining enough for the UFC I guess. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be watching you in SF. How cool would that be? very&#8230;<br />
-Bader is ready for a step up in competition, but we all know how the UFC wants to milk these TUF guys along. Personally I&#8217;d love to see him fight Jon Jones, but I doubt that&#8217;s one the UFC is wanting to put on. Perhaps he likes of Soszynski, Hamill, or dare I say Jardine??!<br />
-The fact that we all know Rothwell was headed to dream land doesn&#8217;t justify the stoppage. Like Cory said, it robbed from both fighters. They were in Calli, where the hell was Big Jon!! As far as the RNC goes, I think Cain is afraid to getting his position reversed and ending up on his back. And that&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t see him going for allot of submissions. As a wrestler, and a very good one, I&#8217;m sure he is just more comfortable maintaining position and going for the TKO.</p>
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