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	<title>Comments on: Shooting From The Hip: Renzo Gracie, Bigfoot &amp; the crowning of the TRUE Strikeforce HW Champion</title>
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		<title>By: Creature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah.. everyone said the same thing about randy couture several times, that he was to old and wasnt what he used 2 be.. but hes still improving.. im gonna go with chuck beating ortiz down yet again.. dont count the iceman out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah.. everyone said the same thing about randy couture several times, that he was to old and wasnt what he used 2 be.. but hes still improving.. im gonna go with chuck beating ortiz down yet again.. dont count the iceman out</p>
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		<title>By: edub</title>
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		<dc:creator>edub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea man about two years ago. Pt Pt all day long!</description>
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		<title>By: PlagueAngel</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlagueAngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are a bit paranoid, but most are waiting to find out all the facts from the coward shooter. Our instructors are okay, but most of our officers are Marines so they are not screwing up. I take it you were in Airborne school? Check your feet, Check your feet, AIRBORNE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are a bit paranoid, but most are waiting to find out all the facts from the coward shooter. Our instructors are okay, but most of our officers are Marines so they are not screwing up. I take it you were in Airborne school? Check your feet, Check your feet, AIRBORNE!</p>
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		<title>By: edub</title>
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		<dc:creator>edub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-132200&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-132200&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PlagueAngel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I’m back everybody! Almost done jumping out of airplanes for the Army.
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AIRBORNE!!!!

Hows Benning treating the shootings Hood? The instructors still being douchebags to the enlisted, and letting the officers get away with everything.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-132200" rel="nofollow">PlagueAngel</a></strong>: I’m back everybody! Almost done jumping out of airplanes for the Army.
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<p>AIRBORNE!!!!</p>
<p>Hows Benning treating the shootings Hood? The instructors still being douchebags to the enlisted, and letting the officers get away with everything.</p>
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		<title>By: PlagueAngel</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlagueAngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m back everybody! Almost done jumping out of airplanes for the Army.  Tito...Tito...Tito... Always talking shit and never completing your promises. First show us your  &quot;new&quot; skills against Forrest, then you can talk your next fight. Forrest is a bigger, faster, and more complete fighter then when you first met.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m back everybody! Almost done jumping out of airplanes for the Army.  Tito&#8230;Tito&#8230;Tito&#8230; Always talking shit and never completing your promises. First show us your  &#8220;new&#8221; skills against Forrest, then you can talk your next fight. Forrest is a bigger, faster, and more complete fighter then when you first met.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renzo vs Wanderlei</description>
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		<title>By: GassedOut</title>
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		<dc:creator>GassedOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pat Berry is in my trunk right now!&quot;  OMG too FUNNY!  Pat Berry is the MAN!  His whole interview kept me in stitches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pat Berry is in my trunk right now!&#8221;  OMG too FUNNY!  Pat Berry is the MAN!  His whole interview kept me in stitches!</p>
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		<title>By: dpk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Renzo is one of the two guys that Hughes will fight at this point.  The other is a 3rd fight with BJ Penn.  He already laughed off a potential fight with Kos, and Fitch, so he is just waiting for the highest profile fight that he can get.  Gracie, and Penn would be those fights. 

I could see Chuck and Tito happening again, but I could also see Chuck v Coleman happening as well.  Those are both very winnable fights for Chuck, and he could get some momentum, and possibly make one more relevant fight.  

I have to agree on Bigfoot, he almost lost to Ricco, and that was the 2007 version of Ricco which isn&#039;t that impressive.  It will be good to see him against a legit guy.  I&#039;m taking Werdum.

I can&#039;t wait to see Barry back in action, as long as him wrestling and grappling continue to progress he could be a big star in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Renzo is one of the two guys that Hughes will fight at this point.  The other is a 3rd fight with BJ Penn.  He already laughed off a potential fight with Kos, and Fitch, so he is just waiting for the highest profile fight that he can get.  Gracie, and Penn would be those fights. </p>
<p>I could see Chuck and Tito happening again, but I could also see Chuck v Coleman happening as well.  Those are both very winnable fights for Chuck, and he could get some momentum, and possibly make one more relevant fight.  </p>
<p>I have to agree on Bigfoot, he almost lost to Ricco, and that was the 2007 version of Ricco which isn&#8217;t that impressive.  It will be good to see him against a legit guy.  I&#8217;m taking Werdum.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see Barry back in action, as long as him wrestling and grappling continue to progress he could be a big star in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Makington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the point edub brought up about Tito knowing Chuck isn&#039;t the same. It looks like now that Tito knows he can beat an aging, old Chuck he is jumping at the chance to stroke his ego. If they fought ad Tito won, I really wouldn&#039;t be impressed because he still would never have beaten Chuck when he was the man. Same way he was all over his fight with Mark Coleman. Sure, you&#039;re beating a Hall of Famer, but he isn&#039;t half the fighter he was back in the day. It just seems like Tito would be going around saying how he is so much better than Chuck if he won, when he wasn&#039;t beating the &#039;real&#039; Chuck imo.

&quot; So I decided to be funny and tell him Pat Barry is in my trunk right now. He didnt laugh. &quot; Alright that was just hilarious. What a cool guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the point edub brought up about Tito knowing Chuck isn&#8217;t the same. It looks like now that Tito knows he can beat an aging, old Chuck he is jumping at the chance to stroke his ego. If they fought ad Tito won, I really wouldn&#8217;t be impressed because he still would never have beaten Chuck when he was the man. Same way he was all over his fight with Mark Coleman. Sure, you&#8217;re beating a Hall of Famer, but he isn&#8217;t half the fighter he was back in the day. It just seems like Tito would be going around saying how he is so much better than Chuck if he won, when he wasn&#8217;t beating the &#8216;real&#8217; Chuck imo.</p>
<p>&#8221; So I decided to be funny and tell him Pat Barry is in my trunk right now. He didnt laugh. &#8221; Alright that was just hilarious. What a cool guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullylover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullylover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tito,tito,tito, you cocky sob u are never going to change are you,anyways a 3rd fight between tito and chuck  would be big money since everybody to schoolchildren know who they are plus it would probably be a whole lot closer this time around still i don&#039;t see tito getting past forrest.  If renzo gracie comes to the ufc he is going to be the first mma statistic.I really don&#039;t see him beating ANY of the upper echolon fighters at MW though i would be interested in him squaring off with hughes. I am also happy  to hear that brett rogers is keeping his head on tight and just focusing on fighting instead of trying to be some celebrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tito,tito,tito, you cocky sob u are never going to change are you,anyways a 3rd fight between tito and chuck  would be big money since everybody to schoolchildren know who they are plus it would probably be a whole lot closer this time around still i don&#8217;t see tito getting past forrest.  If renzo gracie comes to the ufc he is going to be the first mma statistic.I really don&#8217;t see him beating ANY of the upper echolon fighters at MW though i would be interested in him squaring off with hughes. I am also happy  to hear that brett rogers is keeping his head on tight and just focusing on fighting instead of trying to be some celebrity.</p>
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		<title>By: xtreme_machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>xtreme_machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fedor 1st KO 
Mousasi 2nd Sub 
Miller Decision 
Werdum 1st Sub</description>
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Mousasi 2nd Sub<br />
Miller Decision<br />
Werdum 1st Sub</p>
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		<title>By: Davey D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davey D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I like about about Pat Barry is his attitude. He has a great attitude. Telling the Manager of a bank that your surname is in the trunk of a car is flat out hiliarious. He could have easily explained to them he is a UFC fighter but who knows what they would&#039;ve thought then. Nice to see he get that bonus money. Rest easy and get well soon Pat!!!

Tito vs. Chuck 3 really doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense to me right. Tito will try to convince you he should be fighting Fedor on Saturday if he was with Strikeforce right now. The guy just knows how to sell fights, period. Thats his thang and that ain&#039;t a bad thang either. At least he isn&#039;t ducking like he used to.

Matt Hughes vs. Renzo Gracie at 185 sounds great to me. Hell, put it on UFC 108 if they&#039;re both feeling froggy. I hear they need some more firepower to add to Nogueira vs. Valesquez. BTW, Pat Miletich returning sounds good too.

Fedor vs. Rogers should be for an Interim Title at least. Scott Coker has given Alistar Overeem way to much leeway and he doesn&#039;t much left as far as I can see. I understand Overeem has had other comitments BUT he should have never fought for a Title he didn&#039;t plan on defending within what...6 to 10 months in the first place. It has now been TWO YEAR&#039;S!??!

I can&#039;t wait to see Varner vs. Henderson. I think that fight is going to be fantastic. I&#039;m over the drama between Cerrone &amp; Varner and the Herderson/Cerrone fight as which was my 3rd best FOTY (#1 Couture vs. Nogueira...#2 Nightmare vs. Guida). Jaime and Ben will have the Sacramento fan&#039;s standing on their feet until the very end I believe. While Varner&#039;s attitude may need or has been adjusted. They don&#039;t call him C-4 for nothing. He has serious power and knows how to use it. Ben really looks to be coming into his own in the Octagon. I&#039;m not pick a winner today.

Cheers!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I like about about Pat Barry is his attitude. He has a great attitude. Telling the Manager of a bank that your surname is in the trunk of a car is flat out hiliarious. He could have easily explained to them he is a UFC fighter but who knows what they would&#8217;ve thought then. Nice to see he get that bonus money. Rest easy and get well soon Pat!!!</p>
<p>Tito vs. Chuck 3 really doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense to me right. Tito will try to convince you he should be fighting Fedor on Saturday if he was with Strikeforce right now. The guy just knows how to sell fights, period. Thats his thang and that ain&#8217;t a bad thang either. At least he isn&#8217;t ducking like he used to.</p>
<p>Matt Hughes vs. Renzo Gracie at 185 sounds great to me. Hell, put it on UFC 108 if they&#8217;re both feeling froggy. I hear they need some more firepower to add to Nogueira vs. Valesquez. BTW, Pat Miletich returning sounds good too.</p>
<p>Fedor vs. Rogers should be for an Interim Title at least. Scott Coker has given Alistar Overeem way to much leeway and he doesn&#8217;t much left as far as I can see. I understand Overeem has had other comitments BUT he should have never fought for a Title he didn&#8217;t plan on defending within what&#8230;6 to 10 months in the first place. It has now been TWO YEAR&#8217;S!??!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see Varner vs. Henderson. I think that fight is going to be fantastic. I&#8217;m over the drama between Cerrone &amp; Varner and the Herderson/Cerrone fight as which was my 3rd best FOTY (#1 Couture vs. Nogueira&#8230;#2 Nightmare vs. Guida). Jaime and Ben will have the Sacramento fan&#8217;s standing on their feet until the very end I believe. While Varner&#8217;s attitude may need or has been adjusted. They don&#8217;t call him C-4 for nothing. He has serious power and knows how to use it. Ben really looks to be coming into his own in the Octagon. I&#8217;m not pick a winner today.</p>
<p>Cheers!!!</p>
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		<title>By: fanoftna33</title>
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		<dc:creator>fanoftna33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think even a aging Renzo could take Hughes at this point. His striking is far better, and his ground game is very agressive, plus he is a tough sob.
Gurgel vs Evangelista is a great way to kick off a very hyped weekend of mma, you never can go wrong watching Gurgel fight( what number will he be ranked in the top 50 I wonder?)
Hopefully Werdum will teach Bigfoot a lesson or two in pain. With better Jiu Jitsu and technically better striking he should be able to tire Silva out just like he did to Gonzaga then go for the kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think even a aging Renzo could take Hughes at this point. His striking is far better, and his ground game is very agressive, plus he is a tough sob.<br />
Gurgel vs Evangelista is a great way to kick off a very hyped weekend of mma, you never can go wrong watching Gurgel fight( what number will he be ranked in the top 50 I wonder?)<br />
Hopefully Werdum will teach Bigfoot a lesson or two in pain. With better Jiu Jitsu and technically better striking he should be able to tire Silva out just like he did to Gonzaga then go for the kill.</p>
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		<title>By: rmdriii</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmdriii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tito... worry about Forrest 1st!</description>
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		<title>By: edub</title>
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		<dc:creator>edub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Barry = Hands like thunder and funny as shit. I would really like to drink with him. I bet hes hilarious. &quot;Well Pat Barry&#039;s actually in my trunk right now&quot; hahhahahahaha.

I&#039;d love to see Gracie and Hughes fight a t 175 or 180. I dont think Hughes has much left in the tank, and from being a fan of Renzo for years I know he would love the fight. Hughes beat his cousin Royce and probably his best pupil in Matt Serra. I just think he would match up better with Hughes than Royce did.

Strikeforce challenger cards are always exciting. Im really looking forward to the last fight you talked about in Rockhold vs Taylor.

After watching the 360 on fedor and rogers I really dont think Brett has a shot. He seems overconfident and I think that is the worsed way to go into fighting Fedor. Ill still be rooting for him though. Im a big fan of Fedor, but I always love an upset.

I dont think Tito and Chuck should fight again. I say this for the simple fact I think Tito would win. Chuck is just not the same fighter anymore and honestly I thought the second fight was a lot closer than most people think. I also thought it was stopped too early. I feel Tito knows Chuck isnt the same anymore either, and thats why he wants the fight so bad. In saying all this I would certainly watch if the UFC put the third fight on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Barry = Hands like thunder and funny as shit. I would really like to drink with him. I bet hes hilarious. &#8220;Well Pat Barry&#8217;s actually in my trunk right now&#8221; hahhahahahaha.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Gracie and Hughes fight a t 175 or 180. I dont think Hughes has much left in the tank, and from being a fan of Renzo for years I know he would love the fight. Hughes beat his cousin Royce and probably his best pupil in Matt Serra. I just think he would match up better with Hughes than Royce did.</p>
<p>Strikeforce challenger cards are always exciting. Im really looking forward to the last fight you talked about in Rockhold vs Taylor.</p>
<p>After watching the 360 on fedor and rogers I really dont think Brett has a shot. He seems overconfident and I think that is the worsed way to go into fighting Fedor. Ill still be rooting for him though. Im a big fan of Fedor, but I always love an upset.</p>
<p>I dont think Tito and Chuck should fight again. I say this for the simple fact I think Tito would win. Chuck is just not the same fighter anymore and honestly I thought the second fight was a lot closer than most people think. I also thought it was stopped too early. I feel Tito knows Chuck isnt the same anymore either, and thats why he wants the fight so bad. In saying all this I would certainly watch if the UFC put the third fight on.</p>
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		<title>By: HonorableAggression</title>
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		<dc:creator>HonorableAggression</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol of course tito wants to fight him again now that he&#039;s on the downslope of his career, losing his last 4 of 5 fights. The days of Chuck being able to get away with his ridiculously sloppy striking style (sloppy in terms of defense and good footwork) are over, the modern fighter has better basic boxing or striking than that, and can overcome his power and aggression with smart fighting. Truth be told, I still think the striking in MMA is wide open to improvement, some of these guys have never even heard of a maize bag before (for a fan thats fine, for a &quot;fighter&quot; thats laughable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol of course tito wants to fight him again now that he&#8217;s on the downslope of his career, losing his last 4 of 5 fights. The days of Chuck being able to get away with his ridiculously sloppy striking style (sloppy in terms of defense and good footwork) are over, the modern fighter has better basic boxing or striking than that, and can overcome his power and aggression with smart fighting. Truth be told, I still think the striking in MMA is wide open to improvement, some of these guys have never even heard of a maize bag before (for a fan thats fine, for a &#8220;fighter&#8221; thats laughable).</p>
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