What i’m saying is, they are apparently fine w/ what they are being paid…and so should you.

And if you’re not, you should get the neccesary education and become a manager so you can negotiate better wages for these poor fighters.

HonorableAggression: Also, people often forget that sponsors pay fighters as much if not more than what the ufc does, its just not open-book like fighter salaries.

Sponsors also pay the UFC now to sponsor fighters.

HonorableAggression: You’re not accounting for a great deal of expenses, including the entire ufc staff, the cost of putting on the live event, marketing, promotion, etc.

Thats what the 20 mil was for.

edub: To Jgrose23: These are figures from UFC 100;It has been reported that the buys were from 1 million all the way to 1.5. Now if you multiply that by 49.95(not counting the hd 54.95 purchases) that comes out to 60 million dollars(giver or take obviously. Now give the cable companies the money we’ll say 10 million. Now take away for athletic commisions set up crew an all intangibles, we’ll say 20 million which is probably way too high. Take all that away and you still have 30 million dollars. Now Brocks cut of the ppv we’ll say 2 million just to be overly generous.Now the live gate that was reported on this very site at 5.12 million dollars.
You have roughly 34 million dollars after paying your star attraction. $2,208,000, including all bonuses was reported to the athletic commision. That is roughly 6 % of the profit of the event going to the fighters. That in my opinion is unacceptable, and needs to be changed.

You’re not accounting for a great deal of expenses, including the entire ufc staff, the cost of putting on the live event, marketing, promotion, etc.

Also, people often forget that sponsors pay fighters as much if not more than what the ufc does, its just not open-book like fighter salaries.

It has been reported that the buys were from 1 million all the way to 1.5. Now if you multiply that by 49.95(not counting the hd 54.95 purchases) that comes out to 60 million dollars(giver or take obviously. Now give the cable companies the money we’ll say 10 million. Now take away for athletic commisions set up crew an all intangibles, we’ll say 20 million which is probably way too high. Take all that away and you still have 30 million dollars. Now Brocks cut of the ppv we’ll say 2 million just to be overly generous. Now the live gate that was reported on this very site at 5.12 million dollars.
You have roughly 34 million dollars after paying your star attraction. $2,208,000, including all bonuses was reported to the athletic commision. That is roughly 6 % of the profit of the event going to the fighters. That in my opinion is unacceptable, and needs to be changed.

MMA-LOGIC: “think about as you say UFC is going to get over taken”
I didn’t say that at all I said they will have to change and they have some catching up to do (network deal etc). They are “over taken” in a few aspects and I believe they will have to change to keep up or stay ahead. We will both have to wait and see.“In fact the only division that SF has two of the top 10 fighters in the world is HW,”Misaki, Lawler, Hendo? are top candidates surely. Aoki, Thomson, Diaz, Fedor, Overeem, Mousasi etc and they are signing quickly. This is what I’m saying they are taking off and have a good relationship with Dream and M1 and also look like they are willing to deal with Sengoku. This is all more than what the UFC is doing.

You run around calling people like me ufc-focused because I think they have the best fighters (whatever you think about zuffa, most of the best are in the ufc, sorry), yet I still love watching other orgs and their talent. Its starting to look to me like you’re the one who’s narrow-minded since all you ever say is how the ufc sucks. It’s like the counter-trend to hate ufc and people who like it now, and its just as lame as mindlessly adoring ufc.

As far as the fight, I agree with what a lot of you are saying, Chael is a game opponent but Nate will seriously destroy him, and I honestly hate Nate. They could power the stadium on his sense of self-satisfaction, but what can I say? The guy is a ridiculous opponent.

fanoftna33: The ufc really wanted Silva vs Silva and if Wanderlei got past Nate then they can give him a title shot and who would question it. On the other hand if Nate wins the he has proven without a doubt he deserves the next shot.

I would question it. Wanderlei doesn’t deserve a contender fight at MW yet, I love the guy but look at his recent ufc record, compare it to Nate’s, and tell me how he deserves a shot like Nate does.

This fight is obviously a higher caliber fight than the sf mw fight, and i hated on the sf matchup when it was announced but shields is no slouch. It should be noted that the last three MWS Shields has beat is Okami, lawler, and Miller. All perenial top ten mws.

MMA-LOGIC: Misaki, Lawler, Hendo? are top candidates surely. Aoki, Thomson, Diaz, Fedor, Overeem, Mousasi

He didn’t say they didn’t have any top 10 talent, what he said was that they don’t have enough talent in any one weight class. And he’s right.

Heavyweight you have Overeem, Rogers, and Fedor. Although they do have some good talent, the UFC is VERY deep in HW, so I wouldn’t qualify very many of SF’s fighters in the top 10 of that weight class.

LHW you have Mousasi and….? Hendo if he signs, but who else? UFC has Machida, Shogun, Evans, Griffin, etc…

MW has the most depth in my opinion. You have lawler, diaz (well, he spends some of his time here), Lindland and Kung Le. This may be the only weight class that SF has more depth than the UFC right now, but not a one of these could hang with Anderson, and to be honest I don’t see many of them getting past Marquardt or even Maia.

WW You get who? Shields and Diaz maybe, but I wouldn’t put either of them over GSP, Thiago Alves, Anthony Johnson (when he makes weight) or Fitch.

LW has Thompson and Melendez. That’s it. Aoki is signed with Dream, so I’m not considering him. Again the UFC just has too much depth here.

As far as paying fighters more, the UFC doesn’t have near the income of the bigger sports, or even as much income as some of the individual teams. People tend to forget that they were in gigantic amounts of debt until just recently. According to public reports they were still $34 million in the hole in 2004.

I didn’t say that at all I said they will have to change and they have some catching up to do (network deal etc). They are “over taken” in a few aspects and I believe they will have to change to keep up or stay ahead. We will both have to wait and see.

“In fact the only division that SF has two of the top 10 fighters in the world is HW,”

Misaki, Lawler, Hendo? are top candidates surely. Aoki, Thomson, Diaz, Fedor, Overeem, Mousasi etc and they are signing quickly. This is what I’m saying they are taking off and have a good relationship with Dream and M1 and also look like they are willing to deal with Sengoku. This is all more than what the UFC is doing.

I’m really sick of people telling UFC they don’t pay fighters enough, when they pay the majority of their fighters more than any other organization that stays in business can. Just because some fighters think they are worth more than UFC thinks they are doesn’t make Dana and Lorenzo idiots, that is how they have stayed in business while Bodog, Affliction, Pride, and IFL went away. We have also seen in the last year, the pay scale of UFC rise, and that is a trend that I doubt will stop anytime soon. Guys in their first fight with UFC used to make ($3000/$3000) now the lowest I’ve seen in a while is ($7000/$7000), which is a lot more than guys at that level would make in most other orgs. Oh yeah, and when was the last time UFC cancelled a fight between two healthy, hometown fighters the night of the fight, causing the guys to lose any chance at a win bonus, and all their sponsor ship money? Oh yeah, that was Strikeforce, good way to treat the fighters.

jgrose enough money is enough to keep them going elsewhere to get more $$$. The UFC has the fighters signed to exclusive contracts, tells them what they can and can’t do to a degree that fighters just wont put up with unless they get compensated adequately, I mean it is the richest MMA org but is losing top fighters like Jolie and Maddonna are adopting kids and then replacing them with TUF fighters and B grade personalities. The UFC must change to suite the new MMA climate. The only question is how much will they change. I personally think they have made some bad decisions recently. 1 of those bad decisions was letting the likes of Arlovski, Sylvia, Hendo and Babalu go and signing guys like Kimbo and Baroni etc. I mean Dana said Kimbo was shit then says he can only get to the UFC via TUF series and then after he loses his first fight in TUF he brings him in anyway???? It seems he didn’t have to win the series or even 1 fight he just had to …have a bad beard and gold teeth. Bad form Dana, you say that “the UFC has the best fighters period” but Baroni and Kimbo are b grade at best. The 2nd f#ck up is not signing Fedor and the 3rd blunder was not securing a network deal. I think the true significance of Strikeforces event on Saturday is not yet known but I think Dana is starting to have a sick feeling deep down in his stomach. I don’t think the horse has bolted but the UFC, like it once did with Pride, has some catching up to do in more than 1 respect.

Hendo is not coming back to the UFC

Dana said it in an interview

so relax and look forward to Mousasi vs Henderson