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But we are expected to listen to you right? The promoter of the competition.

P.S. Vogarian 5 out of Fedor’s last 7opponents were considered top 10 at the time Fedor fought them. even Hunt had just come off victories over crocop and Wanderlei. he doesn’t have access to UFC fighters. As you can see though as soon as Arlovski and Sylvia were available he fought them.

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I personally don’t think I’m out of line with my previous statement “As far as I know the UFC HW division is made up of mostly has been’s or up and comers.” I used that line to provoke thought about what followed it.

Reality here the UFC HW division is just that, Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, Dos Santos, Berry all represent the up and comers not thoroughly tested enough to say they are all legit. Do they look the part, absolutely but they are all a couple fights away before I’m ready to say these guys are for real. We have has been’s in Heath Herring, Frank Mir, Randy Couture (still better than most), and Big Nog is on the periphery as I think he’s the UFC’s best, but not quite what he used to be.

I don’t think my statement is as crazy as you think if you look at closer.

Either way, yeah nothing gets my blood boiling quicker than the crap statements that Fedor is a coward and beat no-one. Really he is the best and nobody that is supposedly supposed to be chasing the best is pursuing him, yet he’s the only one being criticized.

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Niv I have to say I knew from your earlier posts that you were somewhat against dana and the ufc but some of that stuff is just over the top. Did aggressions argument piss you off so much that it threw you off your rocker?

“As far as I know the UFC HW division is made up of mostly has been’s or up and comers.”

Thats about as ridiculous as the statements that were made earlier.

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Glen903 “Fedor is good, but he is beating up UFC has beens. Why he will not fight in the ufc is he doesn’t want to loose. Dana is smarter than most think.”

Come on man give it up, why is it that so many guys like to throw that same old argument out? It absolutely has no merit to it if you think things through.

Fedor didn’t sign in the UFC for reasons only Fedor and the UFC know, everything else was rumour.

No if we follow your logic Fedor didn’t sign in the UFC because he’s scared he’ll lose, ok.

Well this can be argued many different ways and here’s my rebuttal. Fedor is and has been considered the top HW on earth for almost 8 years now. If we follow the reasoning that in order to be the best you have to fight the best, that leaves almost every UFC HW in a tough position as they never signed where the best was or is today.

As far as I know the UFC HW division is made up of mostly has been’s or up and comers. Randy Couture was the only current UFC HW who attempted to leave for a chance against Fedor, but the UFC stopped that. Why, because Couture was the current HW champ and the UFC used the champions clause to keep him from giving the fans the fight they wanted. Brock Lesnar’s 1st fight was in K1, he signed to fight Hong Man Choi, but at the last minute the fight was changed to some Min Soo Kim (or something like that) with a 3-6 record in mma.

If Brock wanted to be the best all he had to do was stay in K1 and a fight with Fedor would have been assured as his organization was aligned with K1. Why would Brock leave a chance at fighting Fedor if he wanted to be the best? If he wanted notoriety what better way than to beat Fedor and then come to the UFC, but he didn’t.

Then we look at two recent UFC HW champs in Sylvia and Arlovski, they both sought their release (as ex-Champs) they achieved this to seek out the best. They threw their hats into the ring, got taken out and all they’ve received is hate and criticism with statements that they were washed up. I don’t think any of that criticism was warranted or fair, they did what most didn’t have the balls to do and lost.

In short every young UFC HW signed in the UFC instead of seeking Fedor, that to me tells me none of them felt ready to take on that challenge so in short your argument rings hollow to me.

When Muhammad Ali was Cassius Clay he followed HW champ Sonny Liston everywhere, he even went to his house looking for a challenge. Once the fight was granted Muhammad Ali kicked butt and was crowned HW champ. From that time on Ali never sought a fight, he waited for all comers.

I will contend anyone wanting to be proven the best needs to fight Fedor, not vice versa.

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What an IDIOT.

Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global – Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction – Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction – Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka – New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight – Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 – The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE – Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE – Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE – Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE – Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest – Accidental Cut PRIDE – Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE – Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Subm

Arlovski and Sylvia were not cut fools they wanted more money. Do you cut top 10 talent?. cuz they were both ranked above 5 at the time they were “cut”. So stupid. Ive just listed 15 fights and it includes 11 top 10 fighters and most in their prime. 4 or 5 UFC champions and a k1 champ. Bias is right. Anyone who is not in the UFC or has left the UFC is shit to guys like you. His last 3 fights were against guys who were top 5 or top 10. Sure he has faced some cans but he has faced more top fighters than anyone…ever…ever, ever. 31-1.Are you blind or stupid?.

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It’s a bit like a sit-com that’s gone into syndication. You’ve seen all the episodes so many times before, and yet you watch them over and over again anyway.

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Corey is absolutely right about how things look when someone like Dana White flies off the handle and starts to say all sorts of negatives about his competition. As a fan I have never like Dana White’s persona and I really do think it’s counter productive to the sports continual growth.

I hope that Dana learns to clean up his act and be a professional CEO, this is the most important aspect missing from the world’s largest promotion.

There are lots of venues that could put on huge shows like NY, or Toronto but they are going to be more difficult to accept mma when Dana White is leading the way. Dana perpetuates the white trash unsophisticated stigma that goes with the mainstream regarding this sport.

I love watching the UFC, just as I do SF, K1 etc, let’s just get more professionalism into the sport from a management perspective.

Scott Coker on the other hand at least as a front man will do wonders for this sport if he continues the way he’s going. I like the smart and well spoken aspect of his game.

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Fedor is good, but he is beating up UFC has beens. Why he will not fight in the ufc is he doesn’t want to loose. Dana is smarter than most think.

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David Andrest:In hindsight 7 years later, people look at a victory as something to be valued less.9 years is a very long time.And a lot of revisionist history takes place.All I’m saying is look at the facts. I don’t have to be correct or agreed with all the time, but things in context make for a better discussion.

I agree that people do a lot of looking back and discounting wins, but people also look back and give 4-5 year old wins too much credit to what’s going on now. My point being that beating Big Nog 5 years ago and Mirko 4 years ago looks great when you’re considering the best fighter of all time, but right now Fedor’s most recent wins aren’t nearly as impressive as other people on the list. Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not saying Fedor is ducking people or can’t hang with the best of the division… I just don’t think M1 wants to give him the opportunity. To me Anderson is above the rest just because he’s killed his division and has started murdering people at LHW. Overall I’d go Anderson > Fedor > GSP.

Fedor’s wins in the past 3 years: Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland, Hong Man-Choi, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski and Brett Rogers.

Anderson’s: Travis Lutter, Nate Marquardt, Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson, James Irvin, Patrick Cote, Thales Leites, and Forrest Griffin

GSP’s: Matt Hughes x2, a loss and a win to Matt Sera, Josh Koschek, Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, and Thiago Alves

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OK you had great points until the end. Yes Fedor has faced dangerous guys but his list of who hes beat is rather lame and most of his good wins happened in PRIDE. The game has changed and there are now many guys who have legitimate competition to Fedor but hes apparently unwilling to fight them. Since Anderson Silva has gone to the UFC I have no doubt that he is the best pound for pound fighter, people need to give up on Fedor. Where Silva is looking for legitimate competition Fedor is just fighting anywhere and racking up wins on lame guys.

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it has been beat to death. part of me plays the devil’s advocate and part of me doesn’t doubt Fedor’s reign in the slightest. I will always want to see him fighting in the most talented pool of heavyweights, where ever it is. Right now it’s in the UFC, but I will line to watch Fedor fight who ever. Who does he beat next? Werdum, to avenge his brother? or Overeem, to drop another giant black man?

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David Andrest:Here is a little factoid. Did you know Heath Herring ( #3) was the higher ranked HW when he fought Fedor ( unranked) the first time??Vegas had Herring as the favorite as well Heath Herring -180Fedor Emilianenko +140 ( complete rankings and lines coming soon) In hindsight 7 years later, people look at a victory as something to be valued less. 9 years is a very long time. And a lot of revisionist history takes place.

This.

People now look at Fedor beating Herring and think, “Big deal, dude got beat by Jake O’Brien” and don’t realize that Pride FC was “feeding” Fedor to Herring to get the Texas Crazy Horse back into a title bout with Big Nog.

Same for Mark Coleman… it was only four short years since his revival at the 2000 GP and he’d only suffered a defeat to Big Nog in that time. So Fedor beating Coleman in ’04 with relative ease doesn’t seem so great now since Coleman is viewed as past-his-prime.

Fedor dominated Big Nog TWICE, outstruck CroCop, and choked out and knocked out two recent UFC HW champs in the past 16 months.

What more can be expected of him??

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