Comments on: Strikeforce Pays Out Bonuses to Displaced Strikeforce Fighters, Mark Miller and Deray Davis http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/11/11/strikeforce-pays-out-bonuses-to-displaced-strikeforce-fighters-mark-miller-and-deray-davis/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Vogairian http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/11/11/strikeforce-pays-out-bonuses-to-displaced-strikeforce-fighters-mark-miller-and-deray-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-132739 Vogairian Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:31:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18788#comment-132739 <blockquote cite="comment-132719"> <strong><a href="#comment-132719" rel="nofollow">Dufresne</a></strong>: I like that SF is trying to fix an obvious mistake, but does this not seem like more of a PR move than true compensation? I’m wondering if this would have ever happened if there hadn’t been such an outcry from the public </blockquote> It's funny because I thought the same thing. If the UFC had done this I can only imagine what the reaction would have been.

Dufresne: I like that SF is trying to fix an obvious mistake, but does this not seem like more of a PR move than true compensation?
I’m wondering if this would have ever happened if there hadn’t been such an outcry from the public

It’s funny because I thought the same thing. If the UFC had done this I can only imagine what the reaction would have been.

]]> By: GassedOut http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/11/11/strikeforce-pays-out-bonuses-to-displaced-strikeforce-fighters-mark-miller-and-deray-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-132729 GassedOut Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:11:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18788#comment-132729 David, I understand what you're talking about. I respectfully submit that if someone lost sponsorship money, the party responsible for that loss should step up and do something. Swing bouts are in a special category. People know they may not make the telecast ahead of time, and as such, it could be understood ahead of time that compensation from sponsors may differ. I also think I see what you're getting at, for example Xyience not paying Chuck for stuff or the like. I don't see where that was caused by the fight org. This was directly caused by the last-second cancellation of their bout by the org, and it's very clear that this happened to everyone. Perhaps that makes this the special case that does deserve the compensation from either Strikeforce, or Showtime/CBS. David, I understand what you’re talking about. I respectfully submit that if someone lost sponsorship money, the party responsible for that loss should step up and do something.

Swing bouts are in a special category. People know they may not make the telecast ahead of time, and as such, it could be understood ahead of time that compensation from sponsors may differ.

I also think I see what you’re getting at, for example Xyience not paying Chuck for stuff or the like. I don’t see where that was caused by the fight org.

This was directly caused by the last-second cancellation of their bout by the org, and it’s very clear that this happened to everyone. Perhaps that makes this the special case that does deserve the compensation from either Strikeforce, or Showtime/CBS.

]]> By: Dufresne http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/11/11/strikeforce-pays-out-bonuses-to-displaced-strikeforce-fighters-mark-miller-and-deray-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-132719 Dufresne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:09:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18788#comment-132719 I like that SF is trying to fix an obvious mistake, but does this not seem like more of a PR move than true compensation? I'm wondering if this would have ever happened if there hadn't been such an outcry from the public. I like that SF is trying to fix an obvious mistake, but does this not seem like more of a PR move than true compensation?
I’m wondering if this would have ever happened if there hadn’t been such an outcry from the public.

]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/11/11/strikeforce-pays-out-bonuses-to-displaced-strikeforce-fighters-mark-miller-and-deray-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-132713 David Andrest Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:36:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18788#comment-132713 I would have to disagree GassedOut. Sponsor money while important to a fighter, is a deal between a sponsor and a fighter. If circumstances take place that stop a fight from taking place, and the org pays the fighters, and gives them a win bonus that ends the financial responsibility of the ORG. I can not count on two hands the amount of fighters that have been screwed by a sponsor not paying or slow paying over the years. Does that become the reponsiblity of the org's as well? How about a swing bout that may or may not be televised? If the money is different for those scenario's are the companies responsible for not having time to broadcast the fight thus making them responsible for the difference between the two amounts? Who owes Sam Stout for his possible lost sponsor money from UFN 19??? The UFC or Phillipe Nover?? I would have to disagree GassedOut. Sponsor money while important to a fighter, is a deal between a sponsor and a fighter. If circumstances take place that stop a fight from taking place, and the org pays the fighters, and gives them a win bonus that ends the financial responsibility of the ORG.

I can not count on two hands the amount of fighters that have been screwed by a sponsor not paying or slow paying over the years. Does that become the reponsiblity of the org’s as well?

How about a swing bout that may or may not be televised? If the money is different for those scenario’s are the companies responsible for not having time to broadcast the fight thus making them responsible for the difference between the two amounts?

Who owes Sam Stout for his possible lost sponsor money from UFN 19??? The UFC or Phillipe Nover??

]]> By: GassedOut http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/11/11/strikeforce-pays-out-bonuses-to-displaced-strikeforce-fighters-mark-miller-and-deray-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-132708 GassedOut Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:53:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=18788#comment-132708 That's a good first step. I think they should be compensated on financial losses vis-a-vis sponsorship money lost as well. That’s a good first step. I think they should be compensated on financial losses vis-a-vis sponsorship money lost as well.

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