Makington: I’m not trying to say that Nate is a saint, and Hendo is a giant douche edub.

Ah yea. My bad. I just get a little ampedwhen this stuff comes up and suddenly everyone wants to call Hendo a douche for what happend with Bisping and Wand. Thats is what a fighter is supposed to do. He had made that decsion to punch when his ooponent hadnt even hit the ground yet.

Whoever brought up the Rampage one I definately agree with. He even threw about 3 or 4 punches with the ref trying to pull him away.

Connor Cobain: Ok your list is fine until you get to that Griffin/Rampage fight. Griffin beat down Rampage, yes he got knocked down twice but he blew Ramp’s knee to hell, Almost submited him twice, and controlled the stand up. Everyone but Rampage and his corner new Griffin won it, STOP considering this a close fight! It wasnt

Ive seen the fight many times. I was just saying it was close because there is a lot of people i know who thought he won. I was actually at the fight the night and I thought Rampage won or it was a draw. 47-47. Now the more Ive seen the fight over time I still think it is very close and can see a case for awarding Rampage the decision in that fight..

However, my argument is more that there is too much of a gray area when there are this many disputable decsions. I actually give the fight to Forrest now 48-47.

edub: I gotta also agree with Joe here. Its not just this fight but a lot of decisions in and out of the UFC have been overshadowed by a little controversy. Shogun/Machida, Cerrone/Henderson, Curran/Mizugaki, This fight, Both of Javier Vasquez’s last fights, Omigawa/Sandro, Omigawa/Hioki, Griffin/Rampage, Condit/Kampman, Condit/Ellenberger, Henderson/Franklin, Hughes/Serra, Galva/High…etc. Its a problem that still encompasses all of mma and I think were getting to the point here where pressureneeds to be put against the athletic commisions to come with a better system and more educated officials.

Ok your list is fine until you get to that Griffin/Rampage fight. Griffin beat down Rampage, yes he got knocked down twice but he blew Ramp’s knee to hell, Almost submited him twice, and controlled the stand up. Everyone but Rampage and his corner new Griffin won it, STOP considering this a close fight! It wasnt

edub: But if you’ve seen any interviews after it happened he said he was just playing to the crowd. Dan has laid off hitting Renzo, Chonan, and Bustamante when they were unable to defend them selves.

That’s also a good point worth bringing up if anyone is thinking Henderson is some gun crazy fool. He showed just as much class as Nate did against those opponents. Renzo was knocked literally senseless with Dan towering over him and even though the ref took a little while to get to him, Henderson just walked away from it.

Makington: I’m not trying to say that Nate is a saint, and Hendo is a giant douche edub. Hendo is usually an extremely respectful fella, and I haven’t ever seen him in a verbal war. In that case though, and I don’t think anyone will say different, he really didn’t need to give Bisping that extra, potentially threatening shot. It’s not the injury you take to the head that’s dangerous, it’s any damage you take afterwards. Concussions themselves aren’t much, but getting punched again after a concussion leads to long term effects. Look at Muhammed Ali, he can’t even hold a cup of water without spilling it from all the shots he took over the years.And when Nate reacted against Renzo or Rickson (I forget which Gracie lol) it was because he held the choke even after Nate had tapped. It wasn’t on the scale of Babalu/Heath, but it looked like he purposefully held it for an extra second or two just to prove a point. I might have reacted the same if someone refused to let go after I tapped.But I’m not judging them as people edub, both those are some cases still fresh in people’s mind where shots after a KO went a little far.

Fault the ref not the fighter. Protecting the fighter is the ref’s job. It is a fighters job to fight until the ref stops them. That is how they train and the decision to follow up with another strike is made in the blink of an eye.

And when Nate reacted against Renzo or Rickson (I forget which Gracie lol) it was because he held the choke even after Nate had tapped. It wasn’t on the scale of Babalu/Heath, but it looked like he purposefully held it for an extra second or two just to prove a point. I might have reacted the same if someone refused to let go after I tapped.

But I’m not judging them as people edub, both those are some cases still fresh in people’s mind where shots after a KO went a little far.

Hendo did hit Bisping after he was out, and said he did it to shut his mouth. But if you’ve seen any interviews after it happened he said he was just playing to the crowd. Dan has laid off hitting Renzo, Chonan, and Bustamante when they were unable to defend them selves.

And Nate “the Saint” Marquardt is still the only fighter I have seen to actually punch an opponent in the face after being submitted. He then got kicked in the face for it.

BennyProfane: “That’s how people get seriously hurt in this business. One thing I’ve been able to observe in this sport is that fighters take note of that type of thing, and karma can most definitely be a b****. ”Cory can you give me an example of a fighter getting seriously hurt in this type of situation?And also, give me an example of another fighter using it for cause of revenge.If you’ve observed it – you’d provide examples.

I will call you out instead of Cory, if you don’t mind. Rampage/Wanderlei 3 is a perfect example. Rampage got embarrassingly beat by Silva twice before in Pride. Not just bet but terribly KO’d. He had been bitter about it for years and had said some pretty dirty things to Wanderlei, starting a heated rivalry as a result. When they finished the 3rd bout before Christmas, Rampage had to know Wand was out like a light. Like Cory said, even Helen Keller would have been able to see he was out. Rampage took this opportunity to land a kind of falling hook right on his unconscious foe’s face. It was pure revenge, and pure grimy. Thank god he didn’t seriously injure Wanderlei, but it’s things like that, that can really cause some lasting effects to a fighter. Henderson do a jumping smash to Bisping’s face at UFC 100 is another example of unnecessary revenge. Like Cory said, they have the right, but as far as karma goes they deserve to be KO’d, with a few shots extra.

An example of a good fighter so we’re not too negative is Nate Marquardt. He laid Maia out completely in their fight, and as he was going to punch his downed ooponent, he had the frame of mind to see that Maia was done, and stopped his punch mid-throw. He could have clocked him a some really hard, but ultimately unnecessary shots without much complaint, but he showed true sportsmanship and respect by not needlessly bashing the other fighter’s face to mush.

That said, i learned to watch MMA fights on mute a long time ago. Realistically, while i don’t like Rogan that much, none of the other announcers in any Org are all that great…

I was hoping they would get rid of a bunch of this sort of crap with UFC 100 when they started showing some nice new clips, but nope.

You guys here at 5 oz. really stepped up your game over the last 2 months. Good work.

One other thing I’d like to throw out there, with regards to the “Enough with punching the unconscious guy already; I’m looking at you Andre Winner. ” comment.

Was it just me, or did it look like Matt Brown held back for a second after dropping Wilks with the flying knee, and then again a few monents later while beating on him… almost as if he wanted to make sure he hadn’t knocked him out. (I also remember Matt being reluctant to beat on another of his opponents in a badly refereed fight not to long ago). Matt ended up needing to go to the third round to finish Wilks, do you think his pausing contributed to the fight going on? e.g. wouldn’t he have been better off just beating on him until the ref steped in.

I actually really admire Matt Brown, and agree with your comment, just trying to play devil’s advocate.

Cory can you give me an example of a fighter getting seriously hurt in this type of situation? And also, give me an example of another fighter using it for cause of revenge.

If you’ve observed it – you’d provide examples.