MMA-LOGIC: I also believe that it has made stars out of guys that are B grade and don’t deserve to be on UFC caliber cards before or after TUF and would not or could not have made it any other way.

Amen to that.

But it’s amazing how some of those guys have progressed simply because the UFC chose to stick with them and develop them as fighters.

Corey Hill, Amir Sadollah, Kendall Grove and Matt Hamill quickly come to mind.

Nick Havok: I like Marcus ‘The Darkness’ Jones as much as anyone…he really does appear to be a genuine and great guy.But his emotions are out of control!The way he was getting all upset about Scott Junk’s health was beyond ridiculous. I mean I know he has been best friends with the guy for a whopping 5 weeks…but man, injuries happen. And it happened unintentionally during a fight.Nobody is at fault.But Marcus went completely off deep end about it…and boy, was it entertaining!I

I did like Marcus up until that episode. While I was watching it I thought that no fighter could possibly be dumb enough to hold a fighter’s injury against his opponentm, I’ve never seen that in boxing or MMA. The more I thought about it the more I began to suspect that Marcus may just be a drama queen that was well aware that a tantrum by a 6’8″ giant would definitely make him the showcase of that week. I now beleieve that the Darkness has a touch of Junie Brownitis.

Dufresne:

I disagree that he’s not a fighter, but I do agree that he won’t be a contender in the UFC. He’s already 36, has several lingering injuries, and almost no standup in a division with KO artists busting out the seams. If we could combine his ground game with Kongo’s standup, you’d have an absolute monster on your hands. One that can speak and arrange a bouquet for your funeral.

Sorry Dufresne I misspoke. I didn,t mean to say he wasn’t a fighter but rather not a MMA fighter. If he wants to stay in combat sports I feel Marcus would be better suited to Grappling competitions just because the years of training he would need to become good enough in his striking he just doesn’t have left.

He landed like 3 JABS and got all cocky, started telling Roy to hit him, and BAM!!
A huge bomb lands right on his chin..
I’ve never seen anyone so blatantly rocked..
His face went from smiling to scared all in a heartbeat.

That was the climax of the show for me.. I rewound that so many times..

Nick Havok:
Don’t bother arguing with me?Then why did you do it?I wasn’t bashing Dana anywhere…only telling it like it is. I mean was I wrong in something I said? Did I miss where Dana said something positive about Roy Nelson?Because all I can remember is Dana talking shit about the guy.I don’t agree with it…and I will say so. If someone else has a problem with it then I guess you can just hit the thumbs down button, pray others do the same and hope my comment gets blocked.Otherwise…just deal with it.

Wow, your knowledge is so sassy and impenetrable. See, there’s a difference between making a valid argument and going off on a useless tirade spouting everything but an intelligent statement about your stance. You try to discredit my view because you can only come up with five fighters. That’s why they’re the “heavyweight elite” and stand alone amongst themselves. And where’s Dos Santos? Dana didn’t give Roy an ounce of respect because he waltzed onto the TUF show and acted like he was owed something after putting on sub-par fights to add to the pile of them this season produced. And to my question, if you feel there are heavyweights they could beat, who and why? You can’t just answer a question by saying yes with a “because I say so mentality” and expect people to be waiting for you with open arms. That’s how 10 year olds act before getting sent to their room.

Struve, Barry, Duffee, Gonzaga, and Buentello all stand a far better chance at the end of the day than either of them ever will. And you seemingly forgot the aforementioned Dos Santos, who is only a win or two away himself from being in title contention. Every fighter I just mentioned is more well rounded from the fights I’ve watched than anything I’ve seen out of Nelson and Schaub combined. Better wrestling, better striking, better submissions, better chances period. Even a CroCop in his wilted twilight I feel could walk into the ring and handle either of them (probably not but I still keep hope alive for PrideCop). Nelson’s career is padded with cans he fought in the IFL. Every legitimate form of competition he has faced he’s lost to. So in two years when Strikeforce is rummaging through the UFC’s garbage and you see Nelson or Schaub announced under their banner after not being able to even tread water in the middle of the pack on UFC undercards, remember where you read it.

So my point is people like you who seemingly can’t quite comprehend that there are opinions on the other end of the spectrum from theirs and feel that the internet is the place to take their last stand in society by making a difference on forums by offering no sound, logical evidence to back up their beliefs. See you proved it without even realizing it. Your point is “what’s the point?” because even you realize you don’t have one.

So yah…I’m with Scott H.

Dufresne: One that can speak and arrange a bouquet for your funeral.

Speak FRENCH. I hate when I miss mistakes like that. My bad folks.

nate: schaub will goto 205 i think.

I don’t think he could make it without losing a decent amount of muscle. He’s walking around at 6’4 240, so unless he does a Forrest Griffin or Rumble Johnson weight cutting, I don’t think he can get that small.

BigDave: As much as I like Marcus he just isn’t a fighter and never will be good enough to hang with the guys even at the middle of the UFC heavies but much respect for his heart and determination.

I disagree that he’s not a fighter, but I do agree that he won’t be a contender in the UFC. He’s already 36, has several lingering injuries, and almost no standup in a division with KO artists busting out the seams. If we could combine his ground game with Kongo’s standup, you’d have an absolute monster on your hands. One that can speak and arrange a bouquet for your funeral.

Nick, everyone knows they can’t hang with the elite in SF or the UFC. Yet. Roy may give a few of them problems, possibly could eek out a lay and pray victory over one or two of them, but not be a real contender for a belt. I think Fetus (by the way, terribly disgusting name. No offense) was trying to ask if any of them have the potential to hang with the elites someday, not today. And I have to say, probably not. You’re right, there’s a reason they’re getting in the UFC through a reality show and not coming up from the smaller organizations like most of the hot prospects these days (other than Roy and Kimbo). But I honestly didn’t expect any different, and I haven’t expected any different since about season 3 of TUF.

First, Fuck Bimbo Splice and the 10cent whore he rode in on. I hope he gets destroyed and we never see his ass again. Now onto guys that deserve to be there.

As much as I like Marcus he just isn’t a fighter and never will be good enough to hang with the guys even at the middle of the UFC heavies but much respect for his heart and determination.

As much as I try to see this fight going any other way then Roy Nelson winning by tko I can’t find a way. Schaub isn’t the better striker he isnt better on the ground so there for Roy wins. to answer a question posed earlyer no niether of these guys could have a snowballs chance in hell against the top tier heavys in the ufc and schaub would lose 9 times out of ten against the middle tier but Roy could hang with any of the guys in the middle and thats as high as I ever see him going.

this season of tuf was the worst they ever had in my opinion and they should never do another HW season unless they find a real group of fighter and not a bunch of throw away football players.

Scott H.: Please, don’t bother argueing with Nick.How an announcement on the line up for Saturday’s fights can turn into an Anti-Dana Tirade (re: Roy Nelson), and anti UFC (the quality of the HW division) is beyond me.Fetus was asking a legitimate question on the level of the TUF fighters. No need to turn it into something it’s not. They are good fighters, not yet ready to compete at the top of the division, although Roy is closer then the rest… although he may not have the upside of Schaub. Just my opinion.

Don’t bother arguing with me?

Then why did you do it?

I wasn’t bashing Dana anywhere…only telling it like it is. I mean was I wrong in something I said? Did I miss where Dana said something positive about Roy Nelson?

Because all I can remember is Dana talking shit about the guy.

I don’t agree with it…and I will say so. If someone else has a problem with it then I guess you can just hit the thumbs down button, pray others do the same and hope my comment gets blocked.

Otherwise…just deal with it.

IMO Roy could make it to the second round if not the third or the win against:

Nog, Mir, Cain, Dos Santos, Kongo, Herring & Rothwell. Granted that it is debatable if these guys are the “elite”. I don’t think he’d make the second round against Lesnar or Carwin though. Cain might stop the fight quick too.

Except for Overeem and Fedor I think Roy could hang in StrikeForce easy. I think he could at least make the second round of a fight with Rogers, Werdum, and probably even Overeem.

He’s no joke. If someone lit a fire under his ass and he lost some blub I think he could be a force in the LHW division especially.

I feel less confident in Schwab. Without a good grappling base it’s a long shot that he would win a fight with the any of above mentioned opposition, save Herring and Rogers.

Maybe I’ve smoked too much crack this morning though….I guess we’ll see what’s up on Saturday.

Go away McSweeney, you aren’t even 10% as good as you think you are. Gassing as bad as you did against Shivers was just embarrassing.

How an announcement on the line up for Saturday’s fights can turn into an Anti-Dana Tirade (re: Roy Nelson), and anti UFC (the quality of the HW division) is beyond me.

Fetus was asking a legitimate question on the level of the TUF fighters. No need to turn it into something it’s not.

They are good fighters, not yet ready to compete at the top of the division, although Roy is closer then the rest… although he may not have the upside of Schaub. Just my opinion.