B.J. Penn’s Coach suspects Georges St. Pierre of steroid use
If B.J. Penn and his camp have their way, the lightweight champion will be defending his crown two more times in 2010 before once again moving up to the welterweight division according to the Penn’s longtime trainer Rudy Valentino during a recent conversation with Josh Gross on SI.com’s Gross Pointe Blank.
“I think in 2010 he might fight a couple of more lightweight matches, and then move up,” said Valentino. “That’s what he was talking about.”
Apparently two decisive defeats at the hands the UFC’s current 170 pound champion have done little to defuse Penn’s desire to give the Canadian Athlete of the Year a beating he’ll never forget. According to Valentino, B.J.’s moving up has absolutely nothing to do with title aspirations, and everything to do with revenge, explaining, “It’s Georges St. Pierre, if he has the title or not.
“I think it’s because of his so-called steroid use, and all of that, that B.J. felt it was an unfair fight. Just the whole thing about not being fair, and fighting fair, you know. That’s what B.J. wants to get off of his back; The greasing stuff, the steroids, and all of that.
“We heard from certain people that used to train with him, telling us what he did in the past. That’s why, we had a heads up on that. When you cycle steroids, you’re not going to to test positive. You can cycle it right up to the time of the fight and not test positive on that. That’s what we suspected he did in this fight.”
Cory Brady is the managing editor of FiveOuncesOfPain.com, along with being a regular feature writer with Ultimate MMA Magazine. You can follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/corybrady
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Because to hear him constantly whining and complaining is just annoying to me and probably the main reason I’m not a fan of his.
…and btw BJ, no one other than yourself is interested in Penn-St.Pierre 3. NO ONE!
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GSP beat BJ twice now fair and square, get over it! If BJ fights GSP again he’ll probably get worked over worse than last time and we’ll hear complaints from BJ again.
I hope a third fight doeshappen, I hope BJ get knocked cold and I hope he just shuts up after that, but I know better than that.
Too bad, great fighter but crappy attitude and zero when it comes to being a sportsman, he doesn’t compare to GSP in any positive aspect as far as I’m concerned.
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I hear ‘ya Nick. Moreover, BJ needs to realize that he’s a phenomenal lightweight, and possibly featherweight (now that would open some interesting matches!), but he is absolutely, in no way shape or form, a welter-, middle-, or light heavy-weight. He’s just not. It’s okay, BJ… it really is. You’re a badass at 155 – just be confident in what you can do. We don’t see Ford Motor Company trying to make computers… we shouldn’t see BJ Penn trying to avenge his losses to Lyoto Machida or Georges St. Pierre, either.
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Remember Marion Jones? Yep. The exact same thing, just in MMA proportions. That’s what BJ’s guys are saying. I’m not sure if those guys are even aware that they can be freaking sued for SLANDER, at least in the U.S, which can only happen if you prove the guy is purposefully lying.
In the scenario of them being sued, they should provide their sources to back up the statement that they made, but if they are making them up they are screwed as that would prove they were acting out of ill will to harm someone else’s career and reputation.
Of course it all would hang on whether or not GSP were to have the massive balls and the will to sue anybody, as that is serious bussiness.
Doesn’t ANYBODY explain these kinds of things to these guys?
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And now back to this crap. Face it BJ, if you hadn’t poked GSP in the eye during round one of your first fight, YOU WOULDN’T HAVE WON A SINGLE ROUND AGAINST HIM.
And talk about looking past your next fights. How do you think BJ’s next two opponents will take it, knowing that BJ thinks they’re just a preamble to GSP 3?
If BJ beats GSP, he can defend the title a few times and then move up to heavyweight and fight Brock. It makes about as much sense.
If BJ would just stfu and concentrate on fighting in his natural weight class, not only will people like him more, but he may actually be thought of as one of the best ever. If he keeps up with this crap, he will go done as some who greatness eluded because he couldn’t accept his own limitations. Out.
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BJ’s new training coach has gone to his head. Stop it BJ . stop it stop it stop it.
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Long story short, wish that he’d get over it and STFU about it……..it’s over and done with. I really have no interest in watching GSP stomp another hole in Penn.
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Oh, Merry xmas and Happy newyear!
P.S. Really needed to vent, spent 6 hours xmas shopping and am about ready to rip someones head off!
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I thumbs up his posts without even reading them, I’m THAT confident it’s pure gold in there.
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BJ, just because you tried a conditioning and training regimen two times does not make you an expert of athletic capabilities. Georges has taken his training seriously for YEARS. If a person puts the time in, the results will come. If you had put in the necessary time in a weight room or by running 4-5 times a week, you could have beaten St. Pierre.
BJ, you really need a publicity rep (or any person) who will tell you to shut up when you’re about to humiliate yourself.
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The drugs most often associated with the physical demands of MMA are long acting steroids like nandrolone, boldenone, and stanozolol, none of which could be cycled “right up to the fight” as indicated by Rudy Valentino in the article above, without being easily detected.
While I would not be naive enough to suggest that there is no performance enhancing drug abuse in professional MMA, to malign a superior athlete and dominant champion like George St. Pierre with unsupported malicious accusations, bereft of any type of verifiable proof is simply unfounded, and obviously motivated by professional jealousy of the rankest nature. I guess the people around BJ Penn believe that if their man can’t beat GSP fair and square in the cage, they can besmirch St. Pierre’s credibility with baseless slander, attempting to explain away two blemishes on BJ’s record. Better to concentrate on defending the lightweight belt, training and fighting like a champion, and leaving the libelous pandering to lawyers…
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Well said. The idea that they’re trying to goad GSP into a rematch crossed my mind as well. Maybe BJ should think about joining the WWE…
Nice to see that most people see BJ’s bullshit for what it is. Hey BJ, a friend of a friend told me that you sacrifice virgins and have butt sex with goats to get ready for a fight.
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So that means BJ is CLEARLY juicing since nobody can beat him at 155. That cheating prick.
It’s science. I’m right.
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Man, I cannot Thumbs Up this enough. mu_shin FTMFW.
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well put
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I doubt Gatorade would have anything to do with GSP if he was a steriod user and I’m sure for there insurance purposes and to cover there own ass they proabbly have there sponsored atheles perform a drug test as part of the contract… not a fact just my thoughts on it.
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first grease now steroids?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? it’s been nearly 11 months and now more has be strucked upon AHHHH!!!!!
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I may be one of the few, but it doesn’t seem like BJ is the one saying this. BJ has never been one to hold his tongue, so I have to think that this might be his trainer’s thoughts and not his own.
Either way, it’s classless. BJ got beat, not once, twice.
The first fight seemed to me like BJ lost due to conditioning, but the second looked much more like a plain old beatdown. The first fight BJ won the standup battle the first round and then gassed partway into the 2nd round. The second fight BJ didn’t win anything, anywhere, anytime. I’m not just saying that to detract from BJ, I’m a huge fan of BJ, he’s always been one of my favorites attitude and all, but he got beat. Vaseline or not, he was getting beatdown everywhere that fight went.
If I was BJ I would grab Valentino by the shirt and tell him to sit down and shut up. If he wants to be a fighter or a promoter he shouldn’t be a coach, period.
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You taking your cue from your hero by doing the whining thing?. Or is it that you just crave the attention such ridiculous posts bring?. Try growing up a bit man.
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I know it’s hard to detect sarcasm online porsche, but you might wanna try a bit harder.
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mah mah seems to have a thumbs down fetish porsche, now you know. He constantly ends most statements in blaaaaaaaaaahhh, but every once in a while he will catch us all completely off guard with a well thought out comment.
Not so far in this article, but he has. I know he’s enjoying this.
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@Porsche930_Pilot- Come on man! Did you honestly believe that I think GSP sucks? Obviously he does not.
Now the issue of him juicing is really pointless to discuss until someone has proof. Everyone can speculate all they want one way or the other, but the fact is no one knows wheather he is or isn’t taking steroids. Atleast not any of us online people anyway.
P.S.- Don’t take EVERY post you read seriously. Have a little fun with the posts sometimes. Isn’t that why you’re taking spare time to be on this sight to begin with? To maybe….. god forbid, enjoy yourself?
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@Makington-LOL, not really a fetish. More of a short term goal.
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OK well now I know, thanks Makington. So I guess just the very last sentence applies.
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Please explain which of these are not facts.
1)Bj said he was warned about GSP greasing.
2)The authorities were warned.
3)Chuck Lidell screamed from the crowd “he is greasing” during the fight.
4)They had to wipe GSP down because of grease during the fight.
5)Other fighters had raised the point before and afterwards.
6)The corner man was caught doing it on camera.
If you think this all adds up to BJ just Bullshiting you are a fool that only hears what he wants to hear. They just could not prove he did it on purpose. GSP is not squeaky clean and neither is MMA or any other sport.
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“and obviously motivated by professional jealousy of the rankest nature”
I’m sorry but this may not be the case.
“We heard from certain people that used to train with him, telling us what he did in the past. That’s why, we had a heads up on that.”
He was wrong for saying it without GSP being caught but if what he says about people not being able to be caught and hearing it from guys that trained with him what can he do?.
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“While there have been very rare cases” of people getting caught not doing it! how rare do we know it is if they have never been caught.
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Let me put it this way. Think of it as DVDs or PC games and copy protection. Companies invest more money than a sporting regulation ever could in protecting their material from being copied don’t they? But as soon as a copy protection comes out somebody has beaten it somewhere. The guys that have ann interest in beating the tests are always ahead and that is why they sometimes they are now taking samples and are testing them years down the track. trust me when I say that a lot of people will be accused and caught in a few years when the testing catches up with the guys that cheat today. I don’t know if GSP does them but if guys that have trained with him said that he did do them.
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Can you show sources for points 1, 2, 3 and 5? Because, not to call you out as making things up, but until I see sources also agreeing with those 4 points, in all honesty YOU are the only person to tell me those things. Are they true? Maybe. Who told me? Some guy online I have no idea of his validity. This is also assuming I agree with you on 4 and 6, which to agree implies that I think he WAS greasing. He got wiped down, as do all fighters. His corner was on camera rubbing him, but to say “caught doing it” which is talking about greasing him up is getting a little bit imaginative.
So, can you show some sources here please?
Otherwise… well it just seems like you’re a BJ Penn fan explaining a loss in the way that BJ Penn and his crew does. Or a GSP hater (which I am myself) looking for a way to bring him down.
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Also, you asked “please explain which of these aren’t facts.”
Unfortunately, when you claim something is fact, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that these are facts. To say something as a fact and then claim it’s up to other people to disprove is not how things work.
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One final comment, nothing screams more “I’m not sue if i’m actually right” than saying “trust me” without explaining in any way why anyone should trust you.
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I don’t mean to be calling you out or anything MMA-Logic, I just had a few issues with a few of your posts. Nothing against you dude!
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wow this still going on, people shouldnt assume things without sufficient evidence, all this talk about cycles yeah yeah,maybe people are really good at hiding it,maybe bj will become so desperate and juice up 2 since its apparently easy to go through cycles till the day of your fight and not get caught
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also I would like to know the names of theses ppl who trained with him and said he juices, no substance with theses allegations, just chinese whispers, omg this guy is tough ass,omg this guy put on so much muscle Omg he must be juicing! Get a clue although I do admit I could be wrong ..lol but till its proven his juices STFU bitchas!
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indeed weaksauce, its very easy to speculate but freedom of speech is a great thing even if your speech stinks
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mma logic and mahmah eat poo lol
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