Comments on: B.J. Penn’s Coach suspects Georges St. Pierre of steroid use http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 02:41:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139985 sexy-yama Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:29:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139985 mma logic and mahmah eat poo lol mma logic and mahmah eat poo lol

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139983 sexy-yama Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:24:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139983 <blockquote cite="comment-138593"> <strong><a href="#comment-138593" rel="nofollow">MMA-LOGIC</a></strong>: 1) steroids are used in MMA by guys who don’t get caught. 2) all those that say GSP didn’t grease. He did they just couldn’t say it was done on purpose. They were warned, fighters had said it before, they caught him with it on him, they had to wipe it off. These are facts. There is a difference between him doing it and them proving that it was an intentional thing that is all. I don’t know if GSP was on steroids but this is not that surprising to me because I think most or at least a lot of them do it. Sherk, Belfort, Sylvia, Barnett, Randleman are just a few that have been caught. They were doing it for a longer period than what they got caught for wouldn’t you say?. I know people will only hear what they want to but don’t be so naive as to think that A LOT of MMA stars don’t dope. It’s like people saying that a UFC fight has never been fixed. Yeah nor a boxing or Kick boxing match. Doctors that have been caught suplying and athletes that have been caught using often say that most do it. Are they all lying?. </blockquote> indeed weaksauce, its very easy to speculate but freedom of speech is a great thing even if your speech stinks

MMA-LOGIC: 1) steroids are used in MMA by guys who don’t get caught.
2) all those that say GSP didn’t grease. He did they just couldn’t say it was done on purpose. They were warned, fighters had said it before, they caught him with it on him, they had to wipe it off. These are facts. There is a difference between him doing it and them proving that it was an intentional thing that is all.
I don’t know if GSP was on steroids but this is not that surprising to me because I think most or at least a lot of them do it.
Sherk, Belfort, Sylvia, Barnett, Randleman are just a few that have been caught. They were doing it for a longer period than what they got caught for wouldn’t you say?. I know people will only hear what they want to but don’t be so naive as to think that A LOT of MMA stars don’t dope. It’s like people saying that a UFC fight has never been fixed. Yeah nor a boxing or Kick boxing match. Doctors that have been caught suplying and athletes that have been caught using often say that most do it. Are they all lying?.

indeed weaksauce, its very easy to speculate but freedom of speech is a great thing even if your speech stinks

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139982 sexy-yama Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:20:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139982 also I would like to know the names of theses ppl who trained with him and said he juices, no substance with theses allegations, just chinese whispers, omg this guy is tough ass,omg this guy put on so much muscle Omg he must be juicing! Get a clue although I do admit I could be wrong ..lol but till its proven his juices STFU bitchas! also I would like to know the names of theses ppl who trained with him and said he juices, no substance with theses allegations, just chinese whispers, omg this guy is tough ass,omg this guy put on so much muscle Omg he must be juicing! Get a clue although I do admit I could be wrong ..lol but till its proven his juices STFU bitchas!

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139981 sexy-yama Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:17:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139981 wow this still going on, people shouldnt assume things without sufficient evidence, all this talk about cycles yeah yeah,maybe people are really good at hiding it,maybe bj will become so desperate and juice up 2 since its apparently easy to go through cycles till the day of your fight and not get caught wow this still going on, people shouldnt assume things without sufficient evidence, all this talk about cycles yeah yeah,maybe people are really good at hiding it,maybe bj will become so desperate and juice up 2 since its apparently easy to go through cycles till the day of your fight and not get caught

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139943 danw84 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:54:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139943 I don't mean to be calling you out or anything MMA-Logic, I just had a few issues with a few of your posts. Nothing against you dude! I don’t mean to be calling you out or anything MMA-Logic, I just had a few issues with a few of your posts. Nothing against you dude!

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139942 danw84 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:51:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139942 One final comment, nothing screams more "I'm not sue if i'm actually right" than saying "trust me" without explaining in any way why anyone should trust you. One final comment, nothing screams more “I’m not sue if i’m actually right” than saying “trust me” without explaining in any way why anyone should trust you.

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139941 danw84 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:49:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139941 Also, you asked "please explain which of these aren't facts." Unfortunately, when you claim something is fact, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that these are facts. To say something as a fact and then claim it's up to other people to disprove is not how things work. Also, you asked “please explain which of these aren’t facts.”

Unfortunately, when you claim something is fact, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that these are facts. To say something as a fact and then claim it’s up to other people to disprove is not how things work.

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139938 danw84 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:44:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139938 <blockquote cite="comment-139221"> <strong><a href="#comment-139221" rel="nofollow">MMA-LOGIC</a></strong>: Please explain which of these are not facts. 1)Bj said he was warned about GSP greasing. 2)The authorities were warned. 3)Chuck Lidell screamed from the crowd “he is greasing” during the fight. 4)They had to wipe GSP down because of grease during the fight. 5)Other fighters had raised the point before and afterwards. 6)The corner man was caught doing it on camera.If you think this all adds up to BJ just Bullshiting you are a fool that only hears what he wants to hear. They just could not prove he did it on purpose. GSP is not squeaky clean and neither is MMA or any other sport. </blockquote> Can you show sources for points 1, 2, 3 and 5? Because, not to call you out as making things up, but until I see sources also agreeing with those 4 points, in all honesty YOU are the only person to tell me those things. Are they true? Maybe. Who told me? Some guy online I have no idea of his validity. This is also assuming I agree with you on 4 and 6, which to agree implies that I think he WAS greasing. He got wiped down, as do all fighters. His corner was on camera rubbing him, but to say "caught doing it" which is talking about greasing him up is getting a little bit imaginative. So, can you show some sources here please? Otherwise... well it just seems like you're a BJ Penn fan explaining a loss in the way that BJ Penn and his crew does. Or a GSP hater (which I am myself) looking for a way to bring him down.

MMA-LOGIC: Please explain which of these are not facts.
1)Bj said he was warned about GSP greasing.
2)The authorities were warned.
3)Chuck Lidell screamed from the crowd “he is greasing” during the fight.
4)They had to wipe GSP down because of grease during the fight.
5)Other fighters had raised the point before and afterwards.
6)The corner man was caught doing it on camera.If you think this all adds up to BJ just Bullshiting you are a fool that only hears what he wants to hear. They just could not prove he did it on purpose. GSP is not squeaky clean and neither is MMA or any other sport.

Can you show sources for points 1, 2, 3 and 5? Because, not to call you out as making things up, but until I see sources also agreeing with those 4 points, in all honesty YOU are the only person to tell me those things. Are they true? Maybe. Who told me? Some guy online I have no idea of his validity. This is also assuming I agree with you on 4 and 6, which to agree implies that I think he WAS greasing. He got wiped down, as do all fighters. His corner was on camera rubbing him, but to say “caught doing it” which is talking about greasing him up is getting a little bit imaginative.

So, can you show some sources here please?

Otherwise… well it just seems like you’re a BJ Penn fan explaining a loss in the way that BJ Penn and his crew does. Or a GSP hater (which I am myself) looking for a way to bring him down.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139223 MMA-LOGIC Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:54:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139223 Let me put it this way. Think of it as DVDs or PC games and copy protection. Companies invest more money than a sporting regulation ever could in protecting their material from being copied don't they? But as soon as a copy protection comes out somebody has beaten it somewhere. The guys that have ann interest in beating the tests are always ahead and that is why they sometimes they are now taking samples and are testing them years down the track. trust me when I say that a lot of people will be accused and caught in a few years when the testing catches up with the guys that cheat today. I don't know if GSP does them but if guys that have trained with him said that he did do them. Let me put it this way. Think of it as DVDs or PC games and copy protection. Companies invest more money than a sporting regulation ever could in protecting their material from being copied don’t they? But as soon as a copy protection comes out somebody has beaten it somewhere. The guys that have ann interest in beating the tests are always ahead and that is why they sometimes they are now taking samples and are testing them years down the track. trust me when I say that a lot of people will be accused and caught in a few years when the testing catches up with the guys that cheat today. I don’t know if GSP does them but if guys that have trained with him said that he did do them.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139222 MMA-LOGIC Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:37:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139222 "and obviously motivated by professional jealousy of the rankest nature" I'm sorry but this may not be the case. "We heard from certain people that used to train with him, telling us what he did in the past. That’s why, we had a heads up on that." He was wrong for saying it without GSP being caught but if what he says about people not being able to be caught and hearing it from guys that trained with him what can he do?. and... "While there have been very rare cases" of people getting caught not doing it! how rare do we know it is if they have never been caught. “and obviously motivated by professional jealousy of the rankest nature”
I’m sorry but this may not be the case.

“We heard from certain people that used to train with him, telling us what he did in the past. That’s why, we had a heads up on that.”

He was wrong for saying it without GSP being caught but if what he says about people not being able to be caught and hearing it from guys that trained with him what can he do?.

and…

“While there have been very rare cases” of people getting caught not doing it! how rare do we know it is if they have never been caught.

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139221 MMA-LOGIC Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:29:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139221 Please explain which of these are not facts. 1)Bj said he was warned about GSP greasing. 2)The authorities were warned. 3)Chuck Lidell screamed from the crowd "he is greasing" during the fight. 4)They had to wipe GSP down because of grease during the fight. 5)Other fighters had raised the point before and afterwards. 6)The corner man was caught doing it on camera. If you think this all adds up to BJ just Bullshiting you are a fool that only hears what he wants to hear. They just could not prove he did it on purpose. GSP is not squeaky clean and neither is MMA or any other sport. Please explain which of these are not facts.
1)Bj said he was warned about GSP greasing.
2)The authorities were warned.
3)Chuck Lidell screamed from the crowd “he is greasing” during the fight.
4)They had to wipe GSP down because of grease during the fight.
5)Other fighters had raised the point before and afterwards.
6)The corner man was caught doing it on camera.

If you think this all adds up to BJ just Bullshiting you are a fool that only hears what he wants to hear. They just could not prove he did it on purpose. GSP is not squeaky clean and neither is MMA or any other sport.

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]]> By: Porsche930_Pilot http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139219 Porsche930_Pilot Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:27:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139219 OK well now I know, thanks Makington. So I guess just the very last sentence applies. OK well now I know, thanks Makington. So I guess just the very last sentence applies.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139216 king mah mah Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:03:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139216 site-sp site-sp

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139171 king mah mah Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:57:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139171 @Makington-LOL, not really a fetish. More of a short term goal. @Makington-LOL, not really a fetish. More of a short term goal.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139170 king mah mah Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:44:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139170 @Porsche930_Pilot- Come on man! Did you honestly believe that I think GSP sucks? Obviously he does not. Now the issue of him juicing is really pointless to discuss until someone has proof. Everyone can speculate all they want one way or the other, but the fact is no one knows wheather he is or isn't taking steroids. Atleast not any of us online people anyway. P.S.- Don't take EVERY post you read seriously. Have a little fun with the posts sometimes. Isn't that why you're taking spare time to be on this sight to begin with? To maybe..... god forbid, enjoy yourself? @Porsche930_Pilot- Come on man! Did you honestly believe that I think GSP sucks? Obviously he does not.

Now the issue of him juicing is really pointless to discuss until someone has proof. Everyone can speculate all they want one way or the other, but the fact is no one knows wheather he is or isn’t taking steroids. Atleast not any of us online people anyway.

P.S.- Don’t take EVERY post you read seriously. Have a little fun with the posts sometimes. Isn’t that why you’re taking spare time to be on this sight to begin with? To maybe….. god forbid, enjoy yourself?

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]]> By: Makington http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139055 Makington Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:04:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139055 mah mah seems to have a thumbs down fetish porsche, now you know. He constantly ends most statements in blaaaaaaaaaahhh, but every once in a while he will catch us all completely off guard with a well thought out comment. Not so far in this article, but he has. I know he's enjoying this. mah mah seems to have a thumbs down fetish porsche, now you know. He constantly ends most statements in blaaaaaaaaaahhh, but every once in a while he will catch us all completely off guard with a well thought out comment.

Not so far in this article, but he has. I know he’s enjoying this.

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139054 danw84 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:58:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139054 I know it's hard to detect sarcasm online porsche, but you might wanna try a bit harder. I know it’s hard to detect sarcasm online porsche, but you might wanna try a bit harder.

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]]> By: Porsche930_Pilot http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139053 Porsche930_Pilot Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:48:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139053 <blockquote cite="comment-138604"> <strong><a href="#comment-138604" rel="nofollow">king mah mah</a></strong>: GSP SUCKS!!! If he didn’t juice, he’d never be where he’s at today. Just face it! Your HERO is a fraud!! He knows it, and all his fans know it! I guess Canadian fighters think they can fool American fighters! NOT!!!! If you were so sure, you wouldn’t be defending him so much. GSP is covered with vasoline! Plus he is using steroids like you wouldn’t believe!! </blockquote> You taking your cue from your hero by doing the whining thing?. Or is it that you just crave the attention such ridiculous posts bring?. Try growing up a bit man.

king mah mah: GSP SUCKS!!! If he didn’t juice, he’d never be where he’s at today. Just face it! Your HERO is a fraud!! He knows it, and all his fans know it! I guess Canadian fighters think they can fool American fighters! NOT!!!!
If you were so sure, you wouldn’t be defending him so much. GSP is covered with vasoline! Plus he is using steroids like you wouldn’t believe!!

You taking your cue from your hero by doing the whining thing?. Or is it that you just crave the attention such ridiculous posts bring?. Try growing up a bit man.

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]]> By: Dufresne http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139051 Dufresne Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:13:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139051 I may be one of the few, but it doesn't seem like BJ is the one saying this. BJ has never been one to hold his tongue, so I have to think that this might be his trainer's thoughts and not his own. Either way, it's classless. BJ got beat, not once, twice. The first fight seemed to me like BJ lost due to conditioning, but the second looked much more like a plain old beatdown. The first fight BJ won the standup battle the first round and then gassed partway into the 2nd round. The second fight BJ didn't win anything, anywhere, anytime. I'm not just saying that to detract from BJ, I'm a huge fan of BJ, he's always been one of my favorites attitude and all, but he got beat. Vaseline or not, he was getting beatdown everywhere that fight went. If I was BJ I would grab Valentino by the shirt and tell him to sit down and shut up. If he wants to be a fighter or a promoter he shouldn't be a coach, period. I may be one of the few, but it doesn’t seem like BJ is the one saying this. BJ has never been one to hold his tongue, so I have to think that this might be his trainer’s thoughts and not his own.

Either way, it’s classless. BJ got beat, not once, twice.

The first fight seemed to me like BJ lost due to conditioning, but the second looked much more like a plain old beatdown. The first fight BJ won the standup battle the first round and then gassed partway into the 2nd round. The second fight BJ didn’t win anything, anywhere, anytime. I’m not just saying that to detract from BJ, I’m a huge fan of BJ, he’s always been one of my favorites attitude and all, but he got beat. Vaseline or not, he was getting beatdown everywhere that fight went.

If I was BJ I would grab Valentino by the shirt and tell him to sit down and shut up. If he wants to be a fighter or a promoter he shouldn’t be a coach, period.

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]]> By: PsYc0tIkDrEaM http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/12/21/b-j-penns-coach-suspects-georges-st-pierre-of-steroid-use/comment-page-1/#comment-139045 PsYc0tIkDrEaM Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:12:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=20192#comment-139045 ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH dasfjkl;sdafjkl;sdfajkl;asdfjkl;asdfjkl;sdfajkl;sdfajkl;asdfjkl;fjsdkl;afjwernymjf,u897mu8,h iomumv g4myuc9w5ydfmobhoeukag034,k first grease now steroids?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? it's been nearly 11 months and now more has be strucked upon AHHHH!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH dasfjkl;sdafjkl;sdfajkl;asdfjkl;asdfjkl;sdfajkl;sdfajkl;asdfjkl;fjsdkl;afjwernymjf,u897mu8,h iomumv g4myuc9w5ydfmobhoeukag034,k

first grease now steroids?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? it’s been nearly 11 months and now more has be strucked upon AHHHH!!!!!

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