Comments on: Say It Aint So: Overeem vs. Rogers for Strikeforce heavyweight crown?

By: Yourdaddydevilandlord

Yourdaddydevilandlord — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:28:20 +0000

Seriously, do you really want to see Fedor vs Werdum? I don’t understand the nuthuggin’ for Werdum. What, he beat bigfoot? He looked tired and flabby in his UFC stint, then he goes to the minors(yeah, I said it) and beats a midlevel up and comer and all of the sudden he is the guy who is going to beat Fedor? I’d rather see Fedor/Rogers 2, or Arlovski, or your mom. Either do Fedor/Overeem or just fold already. It is bad enough I can’t see the fights I want between guys working for competing companies, but now I can’t see the ones between guys in the same company. At least the UFC is a good deal of the way through my dream Heavyweight tourney scenario, with Cain/Nog, and Mir/Carwin coming up. I have confidence that I will see good fights there, not so much with Strikeforce.

By: LiverPunch

LiverPunch — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:19:34 +0000

I’m from New Zealand in case you were implying I’m American for a start and FEDOR IS NOT AVAILABLE HE IS FIGHTING WERDUM. There may also be other reasons why they can’t or wont fight. The next ranked fighter is Rogers. i would rather see Fedor fight him but he IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!.

By: Niv

Niv — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:38:28 +0000

edub I’ve read all of these comments and unless I missed it you are the only to mention that Fedor said he wants to fight Overeem, but only if he gets stringently tested for roids.

All this M1, UFC crap is meaningless here, and the obvious is that Coker is looking for someone to take Overeem out and not embarrass SF by making it public he’s on juice. That really would be the only explanation for offering the title to Rogers, he has more than the right stuff to ko Overeem and get the title picture on its way to being straightened out in SF.

Overeem is a talented beast and is capable of beating most, but he’s shown more than once that he’s susceptible to being ko’d when he fights high calibre fighters, Shogun x 2, Sergei Kharitonov, Anotonio Noguiera, Lidell etc. so I don’t think he’s the guy that Fedor would lose to if anyone yet.

By: edub

edub — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:00:15 +0000

Carvaggio: (& before some fucktards start talking about M1 & co-promoting & destroying orgs save your time because i’ve heard it all before…)

There obviously isn't anything set in stone about the dealings of M1(or anything that will go to public record), but something should be said about there being "problems" with the last three companies they have co-promoted with.(Affliction, Elitexc, and now SF). I'm very anxious to see if Fedor and M1 back out of their stance that they want Overeem blood tested before he gets in the ring/cage with him. All signs point to Overeem winning this fight. He's better everywhere the fight could go, he's faster, and prescription aided or not he's probably stronger. That being if Rogers catches him all bets are off. Overeem has been Kod before, and if Brett hits him clean I don't see it being any different. Definately looking forward to seeing The Demolition man fighting with drug testing in place.

By: cdrg

cdrg — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:20:55 +0000

OK liverpouch, I agree with you that Brock did no way in hell deserve a title shot when he got it, and im always saying shit about that, also I agree that Carwin is not a top 10 fighter and does not deserve the interum title shot that he is getting but Maia does deserve the shot hes getting simply because Belfort is injured and Sonnan just had a fight which if he hadent just had a fight i would still say that Maia deserves the title shot more than Sonnan. BUT the news is about SF not the UFC. for SF Overeem vs Rogers is not the best option they have, the best option is Fedor, so dont say that thats the best option that they have.
OH and just because the UFC has done it, does that mean that its OK? NO, so why do it themselves?
IF Brock got the shot he did is because the UFC did a smart financial move. like it or not, Brock had a huge fan base that was following him from the WWE. so that made sense, but who would rather see Rogers /Overeem instead of Fedor? only the Rogers fan and those who would rather see a hand down to an american b/c he is american instead a fight that made sense no matter where his from.

By: mu_shin

mu_shin — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:20:33 +0000

If Overeem is going to fight in the US for Strikeforce, it should be for the title, even if it is against Brett Rogers. Thought Rogers handled himself well enough before he got knocked senseless by Emelianenko that he is at least a credible MMA fighter, whether or not you consider him a top ten heavyweight. At least there will be some movement in the SF heavyweight division, perhaps enough to bring about a true number one challenger match with Fedor at some later date, hopefully after Overeem, win or lose, silences the drug test questions, one way or the other.

By: LiverPunch

LiverPunch — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:19:01 +0000

Yeah sorry Guthookd and cdrg i was taking a reference from nearly every top 10 ranking that I’ve seen. Get angry with me as if I decided it if you must but you are just making a fool of yourseves, perhaps you should look up top 10 rankings first. Personally I woud not have him ther but I wouldn’t have Carwin there either. So don’t complain to me, complain to every top 10 list that has him there, and that is the majority. I agree that Fedor deserves a title shot you fools and Werdum too, but that is not happening is it? and yes Rogers just lost but to the p4p best ever. Look up Randy’s career before you start accusing SF of being dumb. Randy lost directly before a title shot or title defense at least 4 times. Point is we don’t always get what we want and to say this is stupid when it the only and best option they have IS STUPID. If you don’t think Overeem should fight don’t watch it. I don’t think Maia, Carwin, Hardy or Edgar deserve title shots either but I understand why they get them. Did Lesnar deserve a title shot at 1-1 in the UFC? or is Dana a ” stupid f#ck”?

By: twyg

twyg — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:28:44 +0000

Listen we all know the Fedor should get this shot, but he isn’t so why cry about it. We all know the SF heavyweight strap is meaningless anyway, so if they want to call the Oveeream/Rogers fight a “title” fight then let them. Does anyone think it is going past three rounds, and that the other two rounds will produce a different winner then a three round fight? If your anwser is no then it doesn’t matter. It is a paper title devoid of any true meaning, and the person to thank for that is the gutless Scott Coker.

By: thevamp

thevamp — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:36:41 +0000

Hard sell since Rogers just lost to Fedor, but…..Who know’s when Overeem will fight for Strikeforce again. As long as he’s fighting make him put the title on the line. Whover does beat him will no doubt be a more active champ.

By: wifeinthong

wifeinthong — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:07:12 +0000

I cant wait for Fedor to fight Overeem- finally a credible fighter or Bret even though hes not top ten, M1 needs to go away from everyone including Fedor there a joke, the question keeps being asked why they shouldnt have the same respect that Us organazations like the UFC have – Respect is earned thats why, you dont walk into another guys house vertually an unknown and expect to be co promoting thank God Coker fianlly got balls to stand up to M1 – If UFC and Stykeforce ever did start or cont to co promote they would be eventully out of business, any half way decent business man knows this. For the sake of the fans I want to see both businesses thrive.

M1 is nothing but a leach trying to ride the success of allready established organazations without bringing to the table any lagitimate fan base or real fighters besides Fedor. If fedor does not cont to regularly fight against top 5 then he himself can not maintain that 1 position if he loses once M1 is out of business – cant wait to stop hearing there name, they have brought nothing to the table for the fans Stykeforce UFC love them or hate them has brought some great fight and fighters thank you

By: Jstew3785

Jstew3785 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:10:25 +0000

This just in… Big Nog will be fighting Brock Lesnar for the HW title in July. Not really, but it makes just about as much sense as this

By: Guthookd

Guthookd — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:42:09 +0000

LiverPunch: Yes it is a triple post.But just to add that when Fedor vs Wedum was changed to may everyone complained and put SF down saying how stupid they are and so on. Now the April card has 3 title fights and the May card looks like it will have 2 top 10 HW clashes at least. Again, cry me a river.I am very happy that SF is delivering multiple top 10 clashes on multiple cards. (Quote)

Seriously...stop saying that Rogers is top 10. He is not. Coker must be your father or something.

By: cdrg

cdrg — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:47:31 +0000

yes, this is a triple post too, liverpunch, i disagree with you again, rogers has fought 2 top fighters. he got lucky against Arlovski because i am sure that he wouldn’t win again and def not in that fashion, and the other one is Fedor who almost took his head off. and you say rogers is top 10!
And yes i would rather Overeem not fight, then to have him defend the titl against someone who doesnt deserve it.
it should be Fedor vs Overeem and Fabricio vs Rogers and the winer of that one fight the winer of Fedor/Overrem

By: cdrg

cdrg — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:34:18 +0000

by the way Liverpunch, rogers is no charasmatic, hes anoying, cocky, and runs his mouth way too much. but i guess its because hes american that they ignore the fact that he just lost, and fedor is not! when it is obvious who should have rogers’s spot.

By: cdrg

cdrg — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:21:52 +0000

what do you mean, it’l be good having rogers as a chanp, and if he wins the belt would have some meaning! it would make no sense because fedor deserves that title shot. and the belt would have no meaning because rogers just came from a ko loss to the man that deserves the the belt. but rogers moves up to title shot!?
If this is the way that SF wants to work their org. then they wont be here for long and that belt will always be a joke until the real contender has it or at least fights for it (Before Rogers)
just b/c SF(stupid fucks) doesn’t like a fighter, their not going to give him what he deserves?
and it doesn’t matter that the UFC has control of fedors pride videos, the world already knows who he is. the proof is in the #s that they pulled with fedors debut!

By: Carvaggio

Carvaggio — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:45:49 +0000

Makington: You’re just as likely to be wrong Carvaggio as Sans Peur is.Each side of the press tells a different story. UFC says it’s 100% M1’s fault, and M1 says it’s all cause of the UFC.We’re never going to know the ‘actual’ story so fuck it, I just want to see good fights, and this one fits my bill whether or not Overeem can pass a drug test or how Brett doesn’t deserve the shot.I’m excited for this fight so I’m not going to let myself get caught in all the behind the scenes bullcrap. I just want this fight to go over problem-free.

you should not be so lazy my friend & read my first comment before commenting yourself. i don't care about M1 or the ufc i was just stating how people judge M1 for playing hardball but not the UFC & some lame fuck called my reasoning weak because he reads the "press. i could give a shit about any of these companies but the hypocrisy gets a little much.

By: Makington

Makington — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:40:14 +0000

You’re just as likely to be wrong Carvaggio as Sans Peur is. Each side of the press tells a different story. UFC says it’s 100% M1′s fault, and M1 says it’s all cause of the UFC.

We’re never going to know the ‘actual’ story so fuck it, I just want to see good fights, and this one fits my bill whether or not Overeem can pass a drug test or how Brett doesn’t deserve the shot.

I’m excited for this fight so I’m not going to let myself get caught in all the behind the scenes bullcrap. I just want this fight to go over problem-free.

By: Carvaggio

Carvaggio — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:22:23 +0000

Sans_Peur: If you’ve heard it before, then, I won’t waste your time refuting a stance that you know is weak at best. It doesn’t fit the Zuffa business model to co-promote, and I for one applaud them for sticking to their guns. Multiple news outlets have made it fairly clear that the issue between Zuffa and M-1 wasn’t financial, it was regarding the co-promotion stipulation. So yes, most of us do know something about the dealings between the American orgs and M-1… it’s called the press, buddy, so have a Coke and a smile and chill out.As for Mousasi not getting a “lifetime” contract, well, he doesn’t co-own the company, so why should he?Frankly, I think SF got caught in a catch 22 here with their heavyweights (by not stripping Overeem of the belt like a year ago) and are now trying to cut their losses and move on. I wish them luck – in a year, most of us will forget that we ever posted on this thread, but if Coker is able to push past this and keep running a profitable business, he’s the one who wins at the end of the day regardless of who has the strap.

what is weak is the way you people keep drinking the ufc/dana/iole coolaid about the co-promoting deal. it's not about co-promoting, it's about the rights to fights (which is the way fedor/M1 makes most of their money selling them to Japan/eastern europe/russian markets) UFC won't relinquish the rights so end of story. the hatred towards M1 is just stupid & misdirected as you stated SF's problem has more to do with not taking a hard stance regarding Ubereem's title defense. but i'm sure you know a lot about it because you read the "press" huh, "buddy"?...

By: Sans_Peur

Sans_Peur — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:04:31 +0000

Carvaggio: Wow, people on here (& the other UFC er, i mean, MMA boards) sure seem to know a helluva lot about M1’s dealings with Coker & White. First Mousasi didn’t get the “lifetime” contract like Fedor so he left.Second, why is it that Dana White & the UFC can try to make as much cash off of fighters & barely anyone says a word but when a foreign company does it there’s some problem with it? Yeah M1 seems to play hardball (just like all of the sports agents do for other sport’s athletes) but at the end of the day the head guys are making the most money so why can’t the fighters cash in.Lastly, if the UFC’s deal, which the UFC propaganda machine said was the best ever, was in fact the best for Fedor – M1 & Fedor would’ve taken it…(& before some fucktards start talking about M1 & co-promoting & destroying orgs save your time because i’ve heard it all before…)

If you've heard it before, then, I won't waste your time refuting a stance that you know is weak at best. It doesn't fit the Zuffa business model to co-promote, and I for one applaud them for sticking to their guns. Multiple news outlets have made it fairly clear that the issue between Zuffa and M-1 wasn't financial, it was regarding the co-promotion stipulation. So yes, most of us do know something about the dealings between the American orgs and M-1... it's called the press, buddy, so have a Coke and a smile and chill out. As for Mousasi not getting a "lifetime" contract, well, he doesn't co-own the company, so why should he? Frankly, I think SF got caught in a catch 22 here with their heavyweights (by not stripping Overeem of the belt like a year ago) and are now trying to cut their losses and move on. I wish them luck - in a year, most of us will forget that we ever posted on this thread, but if Coker is able to push past this and keep running a profitable business, he's the one who wins at the end of the day regardless of who has the strap.

By: Carvaggio

Carvaggio — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:50:27 +0000

Wow, people on here (& the other UFC er, i mean, MMA boards) sure seem to know a helluva lot about M1′s dealings with Coker & White.
First Mousasi didn’t get the “lifetime” contract like Fedor so he left. Second, why is it that Dana White & the UFC can try to make as much cash off of fighters & barely anyone says a word but when a foreign company does it there’s some problem with it?
Yeah M1 seems to play hardball (just like all of the sports agents do for other sport’s athletes) but at the end of the day the head guys are making the most money so why can’t the fighters cash in.

Lastly, if the UFC’s deal, which the UFC propaganda machine said was the best ever, was in fact the best for Fedor – M1 & Fedor would’ve taken it…

(& before some fucktards start talking about M1 & co-promoting & destroying orgs save your time because i’ve heard it all before…)