Comments on: The Aftermath: WEC 47 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 04:20:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: mu_shin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147616 mu_shin Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:00:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147616 Mr. Brady, Always enjoy coming to 5 Ozs. and getting your perspective on current events in MMA. I've always thought you have good sources and present good information in your pieces. Just wondering if there was anything you liked about WEC 47. Thought overall it was a good event, and yet reading your comments, it seems like you're focused on the negatives... Totally agree with your observations on footwork. Cruz was doing a great job, and likely would have gone on to a clear victory had Bowles continued. Machida and Anderson Silva are also great examples of guys using fundamentals of footwork to outwit their opponents. Look forward to seeing Cruz defend the title, but don't think we've seen the last of Bowles or Torres. Mr. Brady,

Always enjoy coming to 5 Ozs. and getting your perspective on current events in MMA. I’ve always thought you have good sources and present good information in your pieces.

Just wondering if there was anything you liked about WEC 47. Thought overall it was a good event, and yet reading your comments, it seems like you’re focused on the negatives…

Totally agree with your observations on footwork. Cruz was doing a great job, and likely would have gone on to a clear victory had Bowles continued. Machida and Anderson Silva are also great examples of guys using fundamentals of footwork to outwit their opponents. Look forward to seeing Cruz defend the title, but don’t think we’ve seen the last of Bowles or Torres.

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]]> By: BiG BaD BuLL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147556 BiG BaD BuLL Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:09:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147556 Honestly, I feel that the Bowles stoppage has a perfectly reasonable explanation; bowles wanted out of the fight. think about it. He's the "World Champ" after only 8 pro fights. He steamrolls all of his opponents in a pseudo- blitszkrieg attack ( I assume his amateur fights went the same way) and pounds them out. Now, in his first title defense he is faced with an opponent that : 1. he can't even catch, much less bull over , 2. he is being hit repeatedly by said opponent. Let's be real about it. He's not the most experienced guy out there, and he was not prepared for what Cruz brought to the table. He broke mentally, and used the hand as a reason to get out of a fight he was everwhelmed in. Honestly, I feel that the Bowles stoppage has a perfectly reasonable explanation; bowles wanted out of the fight. think about it. He’s the “World Champ” after only 8 pro fights. He steamrolls all of his opponents in a pseudo- blitszkrieg attack ( I assume his amateur fights went the same way) and pounds them out. Now, in his first title defense he is faced with an opponent that : 1. he can’t even catch, much less bull over , 2. he is being hit repeatedly by said opponent. Let’s be real about it. He’s not the most experienced guy out there, and he was not prepared for what Cruz brought to the table. He broke mentally, and used the hand as a reason to get out of a fight he was everwhelmed in.

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]]> By: Yourdaddydevilandlord http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147551 Yourdaddydevilandlord Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:11:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147551 Yeah, it sucked to see Jens lose again. A solid dude who I hope capitalizes on his popularity through running his own gym. Teach some boxing, maybe get some old friends in once in awhile to work on some wrestling, get back at his old trainers by torturing some new guys. Good luck in whatever he does next. Bowlcut quit early and bad, I hate to say. Urijah fought through it, enough said. Looked like he wanted to find a way out. Sorry. As for promotion of Aldo, I think they are doing well, you see the Swanson KO constantly. It might have a bit to do with the Brazilian/no English thing, but Zuffa has done well in the past of promoting through that little problem. Hell, the UFC didn't have too much of a problem promoting the Gracies, they probably did better at it than they wish they would have done. Don't worry, Faber was champ for a long time, if Aldo crushes him, he will get major run. Yeah, it sucked to see Jens lose again. A solid dude who I hope capitalizes on his popularity through running his own gym. Teach some boxing, maybe get some old friends in once in awhile to work on some wrestling, get back at his old trainers by torturing some new guys. Good luck in whatever he does next.
Bowlcut quit early and bad, I hate to say. Urijah fought through it, enough said. Looked like he wanted to find a way out. Sorry.
As for promotion of Aldo, I think they are doing well, you see the Swanson KO constantly. It might have a bit to do with the Brazilian/no English thing, but Zuffa has done well in the past of promoting through that little problem. Hell, the UFC didn’t have too much of a problem promoting the Gracies, they probably did better at it than they wish they would have done. Don’t worry, Faber was champ for a long time, if Aldo crushes him, he will get major run.

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]]> By: Guthookd http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147546 Guthookd Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:07:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147546 Good stuff Cory. I don't mind if Jens wants to tear up a bit after each fight he looses. He's human. If they give him a mic that's what's going to happen. The right thing to do would be for the WEC to STOP the interviewing of the loosing fighter, IMO. I'd rather hear from the looser right before his next fight when he's fully recovered emotionally and physically. I still believe in Torrez, though you make some interesting points on his experience. I am hoping that he just needs to get his head straight. Maybe we'll see Bowles/Torrez II. I'll watch it for sure. Good stuff Cory.

I don’t mind if Jens wants to tear up a bit after each fight he looses. He’s human. If they give him a mic that’s what’s going to happen. The right thing to do would be for the WEC to STOP the interviewing of the loosing fighter, IMO. I’d rather hear from the looser right before his next fight when he’s fully recovered emotionally and physically.

I still believe in Torrez, though you make some interesting points on his experience. I am hoping that he just needs to get his head straight. Maybe we’ll see Bowles/Torrez II. I’ll watch it for sure.

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]]> By: Dufresne http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147534 Dufresne Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:37:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147534 I saw the pics of Bowles's hand, and I have to say I've seen and had worse. It was swollen up around the first 2 knuckles, but unless those breaks actually did any serious damage to the structure's inside (doubtful since there was almost zero discoloration) he should have been able to keep going considering how tightly they tape the fighters' hands. Especially when the belt that he's presumably spent years trying to acquire is on the line. I can't understand why they won't promote Aldo more. He's young, charismatic, and has ended all of his WEC fights via TKO with only half of those fights getting out of the first round. Hell, he KO'd a guy many considered a title contender in 8 seconds with a move you only see in video games. Yeah, he doesn't speak English, and I guess that's a sticking point for some. But how about promoting him by showing some of his ridiculous highlights and that goofy dance he occasionally does? That's what won me over. I saw the pics of Bowles’s hand, and I have to say I’ve seen and had worse. It was swollen up around the first 2 knuckles, but unless those breaks actually did any serious damage to the structure’s inside (doubtful since there was almost zero discoloration) he should have been able to keep going considering how tightly they tape the fighters’ hands. Especially when the belt that he’s presumably spent years trying to acquire is on the line.

I can’t understand why they won’t promote Aldo more. He’s young, charismatic, and has ended all of his WEC fights via TKO with only half of those fights getting out of the first round. Hell, he KO’d a guy many considered a title contender in 8 seconds with a move you only see in video games.

Yeah, he doesn’t speak English, and I guess that’s a sticking point for some. But how about promoting him by showing some of his ridiculous highlights and that goofy dance he occasionally does? That’s what won me over.

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]]> By: FightFan313 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147530 FightFan313 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:18:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147530 Torres is who we thought he was and so were the fighters. The Torch is Passing and passing fast in the Lite Division and will continue as the WEC grows. With Pay Per View in the cards the Lites are only going to get more popular. They are exciting and more that.. ..very technical.

Torres is who we thought he was and so were the fighters. The Torch is Passing and passing fast in the Lite Division and will continue as the WEC grows. With Pay Per View in the cards the Lites are only going to get more popular. They are exciting and more that.. ..very technical.

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147527 Davey D Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:26:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147527 Cory...I think you are spot on with your third (C) selection of the Bowles question. When they interviewed him during the last WEC, it seemed to me that his hand wasn't all the way healed in January. It was almost as if the answer he gave when asked how he thought he was gonna do against Cruz was, "The hand isn't 100% but I'm gonna try my best". He kinda shrugged his shoulders when giving that answer and it raised an eyebrow from me. Although the result of Cruz vs. Bowles surprised those of us watching on TV and those in attendence. FIghter safety is paramount and that is a good thing. Brian can now take his time to recover and live to fight another day. Yeah, it sucks because you want a clear ending, especially in a Championship bout of that caliber but...sometimes it just isn't meant to be at that moment. I do think Miguel Torres ought to consider moving to 145 or even 155. I doubt moving down to 125 is a possibility. He could really benifit with the extra weight. I'd hate to count him out of the 135 weight class after two losses but they were both very violent endings and it'd be terrible if the next one was worse. It could be possible both Aldo and Henderson declined to attend the event this past weekend. Aldo lives in Brazil and Ben resides in Arizona. Both locations are not exactly close to Ohio. If they were not at least offered to attend, that would be a shame. In that case, the WEC should be showing all 4 of those guys off like a pair of golden Jordans what with their next show being on PPV and all. Either way, I still plan on watching it. Cheers!!! Cory…I think you are spot on with your third (C) selection of the Bowles question. When they interviewed him during the last WEC, it seemed to me that his hand wasn’t all the way healed in January. It was almost as if the answer he gave when asked how he thought he was gonna do against Cruz was, “The hand isn’t 100% but I’m gonna try my best”. He kinda shrugged his shoulders when giving that answer and it raised an eyebrow from me.

Although the result of Cruz vs. Bowles surprised those of us watching on TV and those in attendence. FIghter safety is paramount and that is a good thing. Brian can now take his time to recover and live to fight another day. Yeah, it sucks because you want a clear ending, especially in a Championship bout of that caliber but…sometimes it just isn’t meant to be at that moment.

I do think Miguel Torres ought to consider moving to 145 or even 155. I doubt moving down to 125 is a possibility. He could really benifit with the extra weight. I’d hate to count him out of the 135 weight class after two losses but they were both very violent endings and it’d be terrible if the next one was worse.

It could be possible both Aldo and Henderson declined to attend the event this past weekend. Aldo lives in Brazil and Ben resides in Arizona. Both locations are not exactly close to Ohio. If they were not at least offered to attend, that would be a shame. In that case, the WEC should be showing all 4 of those guys off like a pair of golden Jordans what with their next show being on PPV and all. Either way, I still plan on watching it.

Cheers!!!

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]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147524 hindsightufuk Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:53:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147524 the one thing i really dislike about the WEC is their determination to make Urijah Faber the champion again. They must have been so pleased when Jose beat Mike Brown as they could then put Faber forward for the shot once more without yet another rematch. i think we are going to see a variation of Brown/Aldo/Faber for the next however long they can sell it. I like Faber as a fighter, very much so, but the white jock with braids look making his entrance with a gangsta limp to a tupac song is fucking lame

the one thing i really dislike about the WEC is their determination to make Urijah Faber the champion again. They must have been so pleased when Jose beat Mike Brown as they could then put Faber forward for the shot once more without yet another rematch. i think we are going to see a variation of Brown/Aldo/Faber for the next however long they can sell it. I like Faber as a fighter, very much so, but
the white jock with braids look making his entrance with a gangsta limp to a tupac song is fucking lame

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]]> By: edub http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147521 edub Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:10:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147521 Another good one Cory. I like all the points but Ill comment on Pulver. My good friend Derek was sitting next to me after the Pulver fight came to a close. "Oh no, if they give him the mike he's gonna f**kin cry again, this is like the third fight in a row" he said. Pulver has been a fan favorite, and a pseudo-hero type to us short guys in his career. I 've rooted for him in most of his fights, and have always had massive amounts of respect for him. With that said I do not want to see him in the cage again. He belongs in the gym as a coach with his obvious ability to motivate fighters coming from TUF season 5. To me it would be irresponsible for a promotion to use him as a draw also. I held out hope that he would make a turn around, but it is obviously not gonna happen.

Another good one Cory.

I like all the points but Ill comment on Pulver. My good friend Derek was sitting next to me after the Pulver fight came to a close. “Oh no, if they give him the mike he’s gonna f**kin cry again, this is like the third fight in a row” he said.

Pulver has been a fan favorite, and a pseudo-hero type to us short guys in his career. I ‘ve rooted for him in most of his fights, and have always had massive amounts of respect for him. With that said I do not want to see him in the cage again. He belongs in the gym as a coach with his obvious ability to motivate fighters coming from TUF season 5.

To me it would be irresponsible for a promotion to use him as a draw also. I held out hope that he would make a turn around, but it is obviously not gonna happen.

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]]> By: Jak http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147515 Jak Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:43:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147515 There’s no crying in baseball, and there shouldn’t be much in MMA either. The only time i will allow crying in MMA is right after a guy wakes up from a devastating knock out and it's simply his body reacting to the event. Other than that, no crying. :(

There’s no crying in baseball, and there shouldn’t be much in MMA either.

The only time i will allow crying in MMA is right after a guy wakes up from a devastating knock out and it’s simply his body reacting to the event.

Other than that, no crying. :(

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]]> By: Jak http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147513 Jak Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:40:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147513 "I, for one, am tired of fighters saying all of the right things before and after the bout, yet doing just enough to squeak by with a close victory when the rubber meets the asphalt. Whether you win or lose, make us remember you, and give us a reason to want to watch you fight again." +1. As soon as the ref separated them and they went back to the clinch i turned the WEC off until the middle of the Pulver/Vazquez fight.

“I, for one, am tired of fighters saying all of the right things before and after the bout, yet doing just enough to squeak by with a close victory when the rubber meets the asphalt. Whether you win or lose, make us remember you, and give us a reason to want to watch you fight again.”

+1. As soon as the ref separated them and they went back to the clinch i turned the WEC off until the middle of the Pulver/Vazquez fight.

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]]> By: Rece Rock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/08/the-aftermath-wec-47/comment-page-1/#comment-147511 Rece Rock Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:27:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22316#comment-147511 My hand looked like the pics he posted online after a HS football game where I broke it and I played for another half hour ...If you break your hand... throw some elbows.

My hand looked like the pics he posted online after a HS football game where I broke it and I played for another half hour …If you break your hand… throw some elbows.

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