Comments on: James Toney: It’s a lose-lose situation for Randy Couture, he’s gonna get knocked out http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 04:20:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Xspur http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147710 Xspur Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:59:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147710 <blockquote cite="comment-147591"> <strong><a href="#comment-147591" rel="nofollow">adamsfamily</a></strong>: You’ve got it in one Matthew – Give him Tito   </blockquote> Some fights I think "I don't really care who wins, I'd like to see either one of them win." In that fight I'd think "I don't really care who wins, I'd like to see either one of them lose." It's to bad Tito is already commited to fighting Chuck after TUF.

adamsfamily: You’ve got it in one Matthew – Give him Tito  

Some fights I think “I don’t really care who wins, I’d like to see either one of them win.”
In that fight I’d think “I don’t really care who wins, I’d like to see either one of them lose.”
It’s to bad Tito is already commited to fighting Chuck after TUF.

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]]> By: s13 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147704 s13 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:15:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147704 This would make for some good matchups...be open minded for a second and think about some things that Toney said. "I am the purest fighter out there." Well Dana can say "We have someone else here who thinks they're bonified as a 'pure' fighter as well." Enter Kimbo Slice...that matchup would easily be the biggest selling ppv of all-time IF the UFC wanted to do something from a pure ratings (and guaranteed slugfest) point of view. Its a win - win for everyone. Kimbo has been working his ground game as shown in the Houston fight, its very very green and basic but that's still enough to make Toney HAVE to think about going to the ground. If Kimbo loses by KO then hey, he went out on his shield by a Champion boxer, one of the best of our time in fact. For James Toney, its not biting off more than he can chew since we all know Kimbo comes to bang. If Toney wins which he most likely will, it would serve as an awsome splash for a first go in MMA with the amount of PPV traffic its going to cause which will bring LOTS of boxing fans over to MMA and even more casual MMA watchers into hardcores. It would be the best first fight he could possibly get. If he loses (which there is a good chance of if Kimbo used his ground game) Toney would have huge egg on his face which about %90 of the people out there want to see. So what am I getting at? That will set up his next fight to be absolutely demolished since he'll no doubt run his mouth for the next 6 months until he fights again...someone like...oh, Cheick Kongo...or uh...Junior Dos Santos...or maybe Anderson Silva. If you want to please boxing AND MMA fans and play both sides of the fence, then you match Toney up with Tito Ortiz. Why? Like someone said before, if Tito loses MMA fans won't care since he's a shell of himself, and boxing fans can gloat all they want because again, we won't care. If Toney loses its expected, MMA fans will go on knowing what they knew to begin with and boxing fans (who have been in the dark for the last 20 years) will finally have the light turn on. What makes this fight awsome? The drawing power alone is going to be ridiculous, both guys will take this fight dead serious and not want to lose to the other one because of the trash talk that's going to be thrown around. Toney WILL train for this fight and I bet he'll sport a 6 pack on top of it. Tito will make sure not to have ANY issues because this would be an inexcusable loss and a reality check fight that he desperately needs to be FORCED on him so he can stop duping his fans with post fight excuses. Ok I'm done for now...just think about that for a bit though. This would make for some good matchups…be open minded for a second and think about some things that Toney said. “I am the purest fighter out there.” Well Dana can say “We have someone else here who thinks they’re bonified as a ‘pure’ fighter as well.” Enter Kimbo Slice…that matchup would easily be the biggest selling ppv of all-time IF the UFC wanted to do something from a pure ratings (and guaranteed slugfest) point of view. Its a win – win for everyone. Kimbo has been working his ground game as shown in the Houston fight, its very very green and basic but that’s still enough to make Toney HAVE to think about going to the ground. If Kimbo loses by KO then hey, he went out on his shield by a Champion boxer, one of the best of our time in fact. For James Toney, its not biting off more than he can chew since we all know Kimbo comes to bang. If Toney wins which he most likely will, it would serve as an awsome splash for a first go in MMA with the amount of PPV traffic its going to cause which will bring LOTS of boxing fans over to MMA and even more casual MMA watchers into hardcores. It would be the best first fight he could possibly get. If he loses (which there is a good chance of if Kimbo used his ground game) Toney would have huge egg on his face which about %90 of the people out there want to see. So what am I getting at? That will set up his next fight to be absolutely demolished since he’ll no doubt run his mouth for the next 6 months until he fights again…someone like…oh, Cheick Kongo…or uh…Junior Dos Santos…or maybe Anderson Silva. If you want to please boxing AND MMA fans and play both sides of the fence, then you match Toney up with Tito Ortiz. Why? Like someone said before, if Tito loses MMA fans won’t care since he’s a shell of himself, and boxing fans can gloat all they want because again, we won’t care. If Toney loses its expected, MMA fans will go on knowing what they knew to begin with and boxing fans (who have been in the dark for the last 20 years) will finally have the light turn on. What makes this fight awsome? The drawing power alone is going to be ridiculous, both guys will take this fight dead serious and not want to lose to the other one because of the trash talk that’s going to be thrown around. Toney WILL train for this fight and I bet he’ll sport a 6 pack on top of it. Tito will make sure not to have ANY issues because this would be an inexcusable loss and a reality check fight that he desperately needs to be FORCED on him so he can stop duping his fans with post fight excuses. Ok I’m done for now…just think about that for a bit though.

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]]> By: Rece Rock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147684 Rece Rock Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:45:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147684 I think even with all the hype and this being a hot topic - we won't see Toney in the octagon for quite some time... Freak show or not UFC isn't going to just throw him in there with out some basic skills... think of Kimbo as the blueprint on how to have a freak on your roster and still feel like although he's there for ratings you can justify calling him a mixed martial artist. Zuffa isn't in need of a ratings boost anytime soon with all the quality cards coming down the pipe... just my opinion. I think even with all the hype and this being a hot topic – we won’t see Toney in the octagon for quite some time… Freak show or not UFC isn’t going to just throw him in there with out some basic skills… think of Kimbo as the blueprint on how to have a freak on your roster and still feel like although he’s there for ratings you can justify calling him a mixed martial artist. Zuffa isn’t in need of a ratings boost anytime soon with all the quality cards coming down the pipe… just my opinion.

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147678 danw84 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:01:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147678 Horrible reasoning queenkong. Horrible reasoning queenkong.

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]]> By: QueenKong http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147668 QueenKong Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:48:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147668 It's so cool that Toney has come to UFC.Win or lose he's a great warrior.I hope he gets a lesser opponent to start and then Randy.If Chuck could ko Couture,no doubt Toney can. It’s so cool that Toney has come to UFC.Win or lose he’s a great warrior.I hope he gets a lesser opponent to start and then Randy.If Chuck could ko Couture,no doubt Toney can.

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]]> By: superdavenorcal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147660 superdavenorcal Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:44:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147660 <blockquote cite="comment-147641"> <strong><a href="#comment-147641" rel="nofollow">manny</a></strong>: BORING!Who doesn’t want to fight a mma legend in their ufc debut only to be tko by gnp.I will not watch this fight not interested in ufc’s 1st freak show  <a title="Click here or select text to quote comment" href="void(null)" rel="nofollow">(Quote)</A> </blockquote> Zuffas first freak show, let's not forget Emanuel Yarbourough Vs. Keith Hackney or Teila Tuli Vs. Gerard Gordeu. So its Zuffas first freak show and the UFC's first in awhile.

manny: BORING!Who doesn’t want to fight a mma legend in their ufc debut only to be tko by gnp.I will not watch this fight not interested in ufc’s 1st freak show  (Quote)

Zuffas first freak show, let’s not forget Emanuel Yarbourough Vs. Keith Hackney or Teila Tuli Vs. Gerard Gordeu. So its Zuffas first freak show and the UFC’s first in awhile.

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]]> By: manny http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147641 manny Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:43:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147641 BORING! Who doesn't want to fight a mma legend in their ufc debut only to be tko by gnp. I will not watch this fight not interested in ufc's 1st freak show BORING!
Who doesn’t want to fight a mma legend in their ufc debut only to be tko by gnp.
I will not watch this fight not interested in ufc’s 1st freak show

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]]> By: heavything http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147638 heavything Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:04:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147638 if Toney isn't in shape, the clinch will exhaust him and render him useless if he is taken down. I can foresee just about anyone submitting him. if Toney isn’t in shape, the clinch will exhaust him and render him useless if he is taken down. I can foresee just about anyone submitting him.

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147634 sexy-yama Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:59:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147634 neone no why my gravar doesnt show up,is this a g rated site do tell? Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: sexy-yama http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147631 sexy-yama Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:24:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147631 3 fights in 2 years, quite lenient, you'd think he'd want to fight 3 times in a year which i'd rather see but i guess his still an active boxer 3 fights in 2 years, quite lenient, you’d think he’d want to fight 3 times in a year which i’d rather see but i guess his still an active boxer

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]]> By: twyg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147626 twyg Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:35:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147626 First I don't think James can make LHW, so if Randy wants the fight he would have to move up (not a problem). I still do not like this matchup for Randy though. His gameplan of late seems to be to get guys against the cage and use dirty boxing, and if he tries that and gets hit good night. When was the last time Randy actually shot on someone? I like the Tito fight more because Tito will shoot and beat Toney with GnP. Tito could move up no problem and take this fight. Besides that Tito will talk just as much shit and hype the fuck out of that fight; Randy is too nice a guy to get in to a verbal pissing contest. Cain would be my other choice because he will get the takedown and end it quickly. The only problem with him is that he was dropped by Kongo and if Toney hit him like that again lights out thanks for coming. Tito/Cain is the best option if you want to show that a straight up boxer has no business inside a cage. First I don’t think James can make LHW, so if Randy wants the fight he would have to move up (not a problem). I still do not like this matchup for Randy though. His gameplan of late seems to be to get guys against the cage and use dirty boxing, and if he tries that and gets hit good night. When was the last time Randy actually shot on someone? I like the Tito fight more because Tito will shoot and beat Toney with GnP. Tito could move up no problem and take this fight. Besides that Tito will talk just as much shit and hype the fuck out of that fight; Randy is too nice a guy to get in to a verbal pissing contest. Cain would be my other choice because he will get the takedown and end it quickly. The only problem with him is that he was dropped by Kongo and if Toney hit him like that again lights out thanks for coming. Tito/Cain is the best option if you want to show that a straight up boxer has no business inside a cage.

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]]> By: Makington http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147622 Makington Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:33:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147622 This is all assuming he fights at LHW. I don't mean to disrespect Toney, but his belly is looking pretty permanent nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fight at heavyweight either. Couture still looks like the most sense to me. There are a number of good reasons......but I'm lazy and tired so I'll assume that the obvious reasons are on everyone else's mind too. This is all assuming he fights at LHW. I don’t mean to disrespect Toney, but his belly is looking pretty permanent nowadays. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fight at heavyweight either. Couture still looks like the most sense to me. There are a number of good reasons……but I’m lazy and tired so I’ll assume that the obvious reasons are on everyone else’s mind too.

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]]> By: danw84 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147614 danw84 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:13:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147614 I doubt they'd have him fight Forrest if they are trying to build him up in any way. Forrest usually goes in with a really smart game plan. Look what he did to Rampage knowing he'd lose if he tried to trade punches with him, he'd work the leg kicks even more and stay WAY away from a guy like Toney. Someone said have him fight Tito, and I love that idea. Tito has good takedowns and ground and pound and could easily embarass Toney well which would be good for the MMA guys, but if Toney knocks Tito out then it's a guy people easily can say was past his prime, etc., and plenty of people love to watch Tito lose anyway. Seems a good situation either way, plus it's a really well known name that would draw a huge crowd. I doubt they’d have him fight Forrest if they are trying to build him up in any way. Forrest usually goes in with a really smart game plan. Look what he did to Rampage knowing he’d lose if he tried to trade punches with him, he’d work the leg kicks even more and stay WAY away from a guy like Toney.

Someone said have him fight Tito, and I love that idea. Tito has good takedowns and ground and pound and could easily embarass Toney well which would be good for the MMA guys, but if Toney knocks Tito out then it’s a guy people easily can say was past his prime, etc., and plenty of people love to watch Tito lose anyway. Seems a good situation either way, plus it’s a really well known name that would draw a huge crowd.

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]]> By: tlester4130 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147613 tlester4130 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:31:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147613 personally, i would like to see a matchup with toney and anderson silva. finally someone who would likely actually FIGHT anderson, and not spend 3 rounds running away or the first 30 seconds lookin at the ceiling... personally, i would like to see a matchup with toney and anderson silva. finally someone who would likely actually FIGHT anderson, and not spend 3 rounds running away or the first 30 seconds lookin at the ceiling…

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]]> By: Guthookd http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147608 Guthookd Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:11:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147608 If the UFC's intention is to build him up I think we can safely assume an eventual bout with Houston Alexander and then one with James Irvin. Maybe Kimbo. And then maybe even Chuck or Forest. I hope the intention is to embarrass him though......there are many fighters without a name in the LHW division that could get that done....Eric Shaffer, Ryan Bader, Jesse Forbes, Jon Jones and many with a name that could also do it...Randy, Rashad, Matt Hamill, Rampage, Lil Nog, Tito, Sho-gun, Anderson Silva, Brandon Vera. It will be obvious which way they're taking it as soon as they announce the first fight.

If the UFC’s intention is to build him up I think we can safely assume an eventual bout with Houston Alexander and then one with James Irvin. Maybe Kimbo. And then maybe even Chuck or Forest.

I hope the intention is to embarrass him though……there are many fighters without a name in the LHW division that could get that done….Eric Shaffer, Ryan Bader, Jesse Forbes, Jon Jones and many with a name that could also do it…Randy, Rashad, Matt Hamill, Rampage, Lil Nog, Tito, Sho-gun, Anderson Silva, Brandon Vera.

It will be obvious which way they’re taking it as soon as they announce the first fight.

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]]> By: AlphaOmega http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147606 AlphaOmega Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:30:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147606 They will give him Kimbo eventually, two people who have little to no ground game, and like to stand and trade. Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: Matthew http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147605 Matthew Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:57:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147605 <blockquote cite="comment-147598"> <strong><a href="#comment-147598" rel="nofollow">crane_style</a></strong>: Think maybe the guys “teaching him a ground game” are saying what Toney wants to hear so they can collect a paycheck?   </blockquote> And i think this statement will be proved correct. Someone is boosting this already inflated ego with unrealistic statements.

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Think maybe the guys “teaching him a ground game” are saying what Toney wants to hear so they can collect a paycheck?  

And i think this statement will be proved correct. Someone is boosting this already inflated ego with unrealistic statements.

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]]> By: inkythewinky http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147601 inkythewinky Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:40:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147601 i'd like to see him fight carwin or gonzaga if hes at HW, for LHW i would say Rampage or i would love to see anderson silva beat the mess out of him

i’d like to see him fight carwin or gonzaga if hes at HW, for LHW i would say Rampage or i would love to see anderson silva beat the mess out of him

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]]> By: crane_style http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147598 crane_style Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:52:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147598 I love the debate! Regardless of what you think about this guy, it's great for the sport. MMA vs boxing! Who doesn't have an opinion about that? I think Toney's chances vs. Coutre slim. Yes, he has a punchers chance, but if they fought 100 times, I'd bet the MMA guy takes out the slugger 90-95% of the time. The thing that I find interesting is that Toney seems to think he'll get a free shot at anyone trying to take him down. A good wrestler can take both your legs while you're punching air. Think maybe the guys "teaching him a ground game" are saying what Toney wants to hear so they can collect a paycheck? I love the debate! Regardless of what you think about this guy, it’s great for the sport. MMA vs boxing! Who doesn’t have an opinion about that?

I think Toney’s chances vs. Coutre slim. Yes, he has a punchers chance, but if they fought 100 times, I’d bet the MMA guy takes out the slugger 90-95% of the time.

The thing that I find interesting is that Toney seems to think he’ll get a free shot at anyone trying to take him down. A good wrestler can take both your legs while you’re punching air.

Think maybe the guys “teaching him a ground game” are saying what Toney wants to hear so they can collect a paycheck?

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]]> By: RoadsideGraphix http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/03/09/james-toney-its-a-lose-lose-situation-for-randy-couture-hes-gonna-get-knocked-out/comment-page-1/#comment-147597 RoadsideGraphix Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:32:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=22350#comment-147597 <blockquote cite="comment-147572"> <strong><a href="#comment-147572" rel="nofollow">FightFan313</a></strong>: He funny. Randy has been hit by brock lesnar with 4 ounces gloves ha ha ha.James is funny guy.   </blockquote> Yeah but Brock is no boxer and Brock would lose to Toney in a boxing match too.

FightFan313: He funny. Randy has been hit by brock lesnar with 4 ounces gloves ha ha ha.James is funny guy.  

Yeah but Brock is no boxer and Brock would lose to Toney in a boxing match too.

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