Collision Course: Alistair Overeem vs. Fedor Emelianenko

Strikeforce must have breathed a collective sigh of relief when Alistair Overeem comfortably dispensed of the challenge of Brett Rogers in St Louis. Fedor Emelianenko is by far their most marketable asset but they are desperately short of decent opponents for the highly regarded Russian.

When you have been at the top for as long as Emelianenko has there is a very elite pool of fighters from whom you should be picking your opponents. Almost anyone with recent losses on their record is out. Fedor’s recent fight with Rogers was acceptable because Rogers was unbeaten but a rematch would not have been a palatable prospect.

Emelianenko’s next scheduled opponent, Fabricio Werdum, is not of a sufficient caliber to be facing arguably the number one pound for pound fighter on the planet. Werdum has three losses in his last eight fights, two of them against comparatively low quality fighters. He should be at least three wins away from being in contention to face Emelianenko but the lack of depth in Strikeforce’s existing heavyweight division means that they are forced to throw Emelianenko in with anyone and everyone.

Emelianenko himself is in no position to complain, if he genuinely wanted to face the best heavyweight fighters in the world he could have signed with the UFC. The reality is that both parties are trying to make the best of a bad situation and Overeem’s emphatic victory over Rogers will go a long way towards compensating for the disappointing recent defection of Jake Shields.

Strikeforce have invested time and money in a number of fighters who have recently fallen from grace. Dan Henderson’s loss to Shields made the latters departure even more difficult to take while Gegard Mousasi’s reputation as the best light heavyweight outside of the UFC suffered potentially permanent damage when he lost his Strikeforce title to Muhammed Lawal.

These disappointing results at Strikeforce’s penultimate event left the organization in disarray. When you have a limited number of fighters at your disposal you need your most exciting prospects to keep winning in order to set up genuinely marketable match ups.

Mousasi and Henderson might have let Strikeforce down in this respect but at least Alistair Overeem has not. One of very few K-1 level strikers to have made an impression in mixed martial arts Overeem did not enjoy the most impressive of starts to his MMA career. He lost three out of his first seven fights but then won the next 12, all via stoppage.

He came up against up and coming UFC fighter Chuck Liddell in the opening round of the Pride Middleweight Grand Prix and was handed his fourth MMA loss with a first round stoppage. After the defeat to Liddell Overeem’s MMA career lost a little bit of momentum. He won three fights against low level opposition before losing to Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. He then defeated two high profile opponents, Vitor Belfort and Igor Vochanchyn, employing a guillotine choke on both occasions. Overeem went on to win three out of his next four fights before being submitted by Fabricio Werdum.

Overeem bounced back defeating Vitor Belfort for the second time but then entered the most disappointing period of his MMA career. He lost three consecutive fights, to Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Ricardo Arona and Mauricio ‘Shogun’ Rua. He beat the unknown Michael Knapp but was then knocked out by Sergei Kharitonov meaning that, when he signed with Strikeforce he had lost five out of his last seven fights.

There was little in Overeem’s recent record to suggest he was an MMA champion in the making but he defeated Paul Buentello on his Strikeforce debut to win the Heavyweight Championship and he has remained unbeaten ever since.

He has won eight consecutive fights, most of them in Japan, with one no contest when he was disqualified for landing repeated groin strikes against Mirko Crocop. Like Overeem Crocop is a K-1 veteran but whereas Crocop retired from his K-1 career to concentrate entirely on MMA Overeem is still a highly respected K-1 fighter. He fought four times for K-1 in 2009, facing top quality opposition on every occasion.

Having a poor previous record should not detract from a fighter’s current standing. Manny Pacquiao is a prime example of a fighter who recovered from a few early losses to flourish late in his career and Overeem falls into a similar category.

Unlike Crocop who is still primarily a knock out artist, Overeem has, despite his excellent stand up pedigree, developed into something of a submission specialist. He has 18 submission wins, seven of them by way of a guillotine.

Eight consecutive wins make Overeem a worthy opponent for Emelianenko. Overeem is not a UFC discard unlike many of the men the Russian has recently faced such as Arlovski, Sylvia and Lindland as well as his upcoming opponent Werdum.

Fights of this magnitude may be far and few between for Emelianenko now that he has opted to continue his career away from the Octagon and as a highly ranked heavyweight fighter who is not contracted to the UFC Overeem is something of a rarity.

A title unification bout between Emelianenko and Overeem is a mouth watering proposition which could headline any MMA card in the world. It is probably not a point of view which Dana White would subscribe to but I think it can only benefit the burgeoning sport of MMA if there is more than one organization capable of putting on fights of this magnitude

36 COMMENTS
  • fanoftna33 says:

    this fight should happen as soon as december, but knowing the way M-1 operstes it may never happen. I would not be one bit surprised to see Fedor fight Antonio Silva next ( If he beats Werdum whi is still a very good fight for anybody).

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  • blue says:

    Fedor Emelianenko is NOT by far their most marketable asset. In fact, he is not an asset at all to Strikeforce, he is an asset to M-1 Global. This IS the hurdle Strikeforce \ M-1 have to overcome to put the fight together.

    In short, if Fedor wins is he allowed to drop the Strikeforce Championship Belt in the trash (Riddick Bowe circa 1988)? Can he take the belt and defend it under an M-1\Dream Co-Promotion?

    This is the (legal) question that has to be hammered out; who does the Strikeforce belt go with, the fighter or the promotion? And I suspect if Coker request Fedor to only defend the Strikeforce belt under the Strikeforce banner, it will come with an extremely heavy pricetag.

    No more co-promotions please!

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  • crane_style says:

    The idea that the loser of a fight (Rodgers vs. Fedor) gets the title shot was completely absurd in the first place, and the fact that “the Reem” won makes it only slightly less so.

    Imagine that, after Mir lost to Carwin, he was the one who got a shot at Lesnar, while Carwin went off to fight someone like Mark Coleman?

    Much as I love watching Fedor fight, he is in danger of having a great career turned into a joke by bad management/match making decisions.

    I’d love to see Overeem fight Fedor, but I don’t think it will happen.

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  • FightFan313 says:

    The idea that the loser of a fight (Rodgers vs. Fedor) gets the title shot was completely absurd in the first place, and the fact that “the Reem” won makes it only slightly less so.

    It seems like everyone didn’t listen to Alistair after he beat Rogers. Alistair wanted to fight but M1 turned the fight down.

    Strikeforce is simply trying to stay in the fight biz. Fedor as been turning down the big fights and holding out for a while now, really ever since Pride folded. After Pride folded Fedor tried to power the UFC and when that didn’t work he went to Strikeforce. To me, that means that Fedor knew he would last long in the UFC and tried to get as much money and he could or M1 could then they went to the more susceptibly hard up Strikeforce that welcomed Fedor/M1’s over the top demands.

    I am more than needing to see Alistair pound Fedor/M1 into the ground. I like Fedor but trying to be bigger than the sport and holding out to fight lessor opponents is wrong.

    Strikeforce is starting to have a good thing going without Fedor. If Fedor gets in the game then it will make it better even if Fedor doesn’t beat Alistair simply adding more talent to the Strikeforce pool.

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  • fanoftna33 says:

    Crane style, from all accounts SF tried to get Fedor in this fight with Overeem but the fight was rejected due to contract issues, and really there was nobody else in SF who had a name that would fight Overeem on that kind of notice. Yes Rogers lost badly, but stepping up and fighting the #1 fighter in the world followed by one of the top 3 strikers in the HW division makes me admire the hell out of Brett.

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  • Mad_Hatter_XX says:

    I don’t even care who wins I just want to see it. If Fedor is as good as everyone says this should be an easy fight. Then his nuts will be 20ft wide so there will be room for everyone to grab ahold.

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  • crane_style says:

    @fanoftna33 & FightFan313

    I wasn’t ripping on Strikeforce so much, I know they’re trying to do their best in a difficult situation. I was referring to M1 Global, who by all accounts are a nightmare to deal with.

    I can understand now why Dana and the UFC were reluctant to sign Fedor.

    Strikeforce is trying to play catch up from way behind, and couldn’t turn down the chance to sign such a big name. But the leverage that M1 obviously has, is costing them more than money.

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  • AR15 says:

    First of all…how can anyone be considered to be “The Best P4P Fighter” if all they do is turn down fights. Fedor dont wanna fight any real competition, that why he’s not in the UFC. He wants $$$ & M1 Global written on every ad anywhere he can get it.(Not saying there’s anything wrong w/ wanting $ & promotions for your company, im just saying he doesnt belong on the “Best P4P Ranking” at all)
    I know he’s got a perfect record(with the exception of the DQ) but he(& his “cooperation”) chooses who he fights & doesnt fight. Now Im sure if Big Nog turned down fight like Fedor does than Big Nog wouldn’t have the 6 losses he has, & Couture would have his 10 losses, or Herring wouldnt have his 14 losses. Point being, your record doesnt show you how good the fighter is at fighting, it just shows how good of a business man he is.
    As for Overeem, he’s a freakin nobody w/out his needle!!! & so what if he just TKO’d a young buck in MMA…this is like watching a nobody pitcher from AAA & letting Barry Bond rip HR after HR off him right after he shot up.
    So the 2 in a ring together is in no way a “headliner” in my book.

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  • Rece Rock says:

    When it comes to M-1 & Fedor it’s like beating a dead horse…@ the end of this 3 fight run win or lose I doubt DW & Zuffa would ever touch this guy unless the price tag was cheap and we all know Thats not happening… There is no good deal with fedor anyway because tbe good can’t possibly weigh out the bad when it comes to fedor and the mgmt

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  • Creature says:

    i would love 2 see this fight, as much as i dislike alistar, i dislike fedor so much more, i think hes even more overated than anderson silva and hes no where near the best p4p fighter, he only fights has beens and mid tier fighters now days, ill give him props with his wins over nog and crocop but thats it, he would get completely dominated by all the top 5 HW in UFC, a MMA fighter who only takes fights with little chance 2 lose is not a true mixed martail artist and i will never have respect 4 fedor unless he were 2 fight and beat lesnar, carwin, cain or JDS, or even couture or mir all of which im confident would beat fedor down

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  • Mad_Hatter_XX says:

    I dunno if Fedor would “get beat down” by any of the top HWs I just want to see if he is as good as the hype..since beating Nog and Cro Cop in Pride when both men were top of the food chain who has he beaten? Timmy? Clearly on the down side.. AA? see Timmy.. Rodgers? Has potential but, still green and clearly over matched.. Until he beats Overeem or one of the top 5 UFC hws I’m not on the bandwagon

    If he dominates as much as people think he will then good for him but, he needs to step up and prove it and quit messing around with “lesser” fighters

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Name the fights Fedor has turned down?.
    He said he would fight if Overeem agreed to drug test as far as I heard.
    Fedor has always said he will fight anyone and that includes all UFC champions, just not in the UFC.
    Please name the fights he has turned down.
    People who cannot get over the fact that negotiations are involved in signing fighter always try to say that he is a pussy for not signing with the UFC. He has said repeatedly to Mr White “let me fight your champiuons. To which Dana said… You fill in the blanks.
    To say he wont fight anybody good is soooo stupid. He has fought No. 1 in the world, No2 at least 3 times and more top 20 fighters than Carwin, Valasquez, Lesnar and Dos Santos combined.
    Grow a brain and realize that money and conditions factor into negotiations too. Honestly the stupidity from some people sometimes makes me lose faith in democracy. I mean you guys can vote. He tried to face Couture when he was no.2 but the UFC stopped it through legal means. F#ck me! I’m sorry but it is too much. Find resons to attack Fedor but what you have just used (and you know who I mean) is wrong for a start.
    He has fought and beat
    Schilt, K1 champ
    Hunt, K1 champ
    Arona
    Babalu
    Kohsaka
    Fugita
    Arlovski, UFC champ
    Sylvia, UFC champ
    Nog, UFC and Pride champ
    Herring, Pride champ
    Coleman, UFC and Pride GP champ
    Crocop, Pride GP champ.
    Rogers
    Was going to face Couture and Barnett (both top 5 guys) until other forces outside his control stopped it. Has asked many times and stated that he wishes to fight the UFC champ under co-promotion and has been turned down. Has never turned down a fight with anyone ever as far as I know until Overeem because of the drug testing. So think a little before your bias runs rampant again. You don’t know what you are talking about.

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  • crane_style says:

    While Fedor might not have turned down many fights, his management has done it for for him. As a person, I doubt Fedor is afraid of anyone, but he is also the one who picked his management, so in the end, the decisions they make reflect on him.

    Fighters and their management aren’t the ones responsible for drug testing decisions, that’s the concern of the organization and the sanctioning body that puts on the fight. Overeem being clean or not has nothing to do with them.

    The fact is that Fedor/M1 turned down a title shot. The “top ranked” fighters he’s fought are actually “former top ranked fighters”. He hasn’t fought a top ranked guy since Cro Crop, and that was five years ago.

    The argument for Fedor being the #1 p4p fighter is soooo over. To be the best, you’ve got to fight the other guys at the top.It was officially buried when he agreed to fight Werdum. If GSP was turning down fights with Kos or Alves to fight Karo Parisian, you’d say the same thing.

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  • s13 says:

    Name the fights Fedor has turned down?.
    He said he would fight if Overeem agreed to drug test as far as I heard.
    Fedor has always said he will fight anyone and that includes all UFC champions, just not in the UFC.
    Please name the fights he has turned down.
    People who cannot get over the fact that negotiations are involved in signing fighter always try to say that he is a pussy for not signing with the UFC. He has said repeatedly to Mr White “let me fight your champiuons. To which Dana said… You fill in the blanks.
    To say he wont fight anybody good is soooo stupid. He has fought No. 1 in the world, No2 at least 3 times and more top 20 fighters than Carwin, Valasquez, Lesnar and Dos Santos combined.
    Grow a brain and realize that money and conditions factor into negotiations too. Honestly the stupidity from some people sometimes makes me lose faith in democracy. I mean you guys can vote. He tried to face Couture when he was no.2 but the UFC stopped it through legal means. F#ck me! I’m sorry but it is too much. Find resons to attack Fedor but what you have just used (and you know who I mean) is wrong for astart.
    He has fought and beat
    Schilt, K1 champ
    Hunt, K1 champ
    Arona
    Babalu
    Kohsaka
    Fugita
    Arlovski, UFC champ
    Sylvia, UFC champ
    Nog, UFC and Pride champ
    Herring, Pride champ
    Coleman, UFC and Pride GP champ
    Crocop, Pride GP champ.
    Rogers
    Was going to face Couture and Barnett (both top 5 guys) until other forces outside his control stopped it. Has asked many times and stated that he wishes to fight the UFC champ under co-promotion and has been turned down. Has never turned down a fight with anyone ever as far as I know until Overeem because of the drug testing. So think a little before your bias runs rampant again. You don’t know what you are talking about.  

    Fedor’s management turned down overeem due to fear of losing. I’ll explain…How can you turn down a fight with Alistair (prior to his win vs rogers) because he’s a ‘steroid bully’, but you want to fight Josh Barnett and even mentioned facing him under the M1 brand in the fall when he was CAUGHT 3 times juicing??? That alone should tell you something. I think Alistair will beat him as he’s clearly hit his stride in MMA. I’m a big fedor fan too, but I think Alistair will not be overwhelmed, overpowered, or awe struck by fedor. Not to mentioned he used to train with him as well for a bit so he knows his ways. I called it a couple of years ago, Alistair will be the one to beat fedor.

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  • Guthookd says:

    OK….now that we’ve all said our piece….MAKE THE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

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  • cdrg says:

    If Fedor could fight in the UFC with M1 he would and he would be fighting the best there but the UFC dosent want a co-promotion so that is the only reason hes not there. Fedor asked to fight 1 fight deals with the UFC and fight their best and still do his thing but the UFC turned that down, The UFC wants all or nothing. so Fedor is a pussy why? he is scared of who? and hes a puusy for wanting to fight fighters that are clean, like they should be in the sport. Im sure if Alistair (which im a big fan of) didnt use steroids the fight would have been made already. And for that dumb shit AR15, you put Fedor against any one and it would be a headliner let alone against Alistair. Your clearly just getting into the sport and started following MMA when Brock left wrestling.

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  • crane_style says:

    If Fedor could fight in the UFC with M1 he would and he would be fighting the best there but the UFC dosent want a co-promotion so that is the only reason hes not there. Fedor asked to fight 1 fight deals with the UFC and fight their best and still do his thing but the UFC turned that down, The UFC wants all or nothing. so Fedor is a pussy why? he is scared of who? and hes a puusy for wanting to fight fighters that are clean, like they should be in the sport. Im sure if Alistair (which im a big fan of) didnt use steroids the fight would have been made already. And for that dumb shit AR15, you put Fedor against any one and it would be a headliner let alone against Alistair. Your clearly just getting into the sport and started following MMA when Brock left wrestling.  

    The only reason?!!

    First, the UFC is the undisputed king of MMA pay per view. To do a co-promotion would require the UFC negotiating an entire new agreement, assuming their current contract with the ppv provider even allows that.

    And with M1? They’re basically a glorified management company. What if every big fighters management wanted to co-promote? They would if they could, but that would be chaos.

    On top of that, a one fight contract means that, if Fedor wins, he walks away with the title, but then has no obligation to defend it. No sane business man would ever sign that deal.

    Fedor and M1 had a multi-fight deal with Strikeforce, then insisted on renegotiating it after one fight! Fedor “wanted” to fight sooner, but that’s not how it worked out. And that wasn’t even a title match! If you think M1 is difficult to deal with now, imagine how they’d be with the UFC heavyweight belt under their arms.

    This all reminds me of how Don King used to “manage” fighters into horrible career choices. Fedor is no pussy, and anyone who think that is insane, but I stand by my original post. Who ever is pulling the strings on Fedor’s career is ruining it, and depriving us of a chance to see great fighter compete at the highest level.

    “Your (sic) clearly” someone who doesn’t know nearly as much about the sport as you think and should be a bit more careful about calling people dumb and insulting their knowledge, or else people think you’ve only started following the sport when Fedor left Sambo.

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  • AR15 says:

    LiverPunch i wanna punch you in the liver you’re ignorant. Saying you’ll fight anyone in the world & actually taking action to do it, sets you on 2 different pedestals. I know he said he’d fight anyone in the UFC, but he wont just take the check. He wants “co-promotion” for M1 Global & binding contract that neither him or his company deserve. IF he was a true P4P king than he would just take the UFC check, fight some real competition(who is still in there prime) & lets see what he’s really made of.
    And how long did it take for you to reseach that list…which only shows 1/2 his wins for a reason. Not to mention the 1/2 that you did decide to mention were out of there prime status for some time when HIS MANAGEMENT decided it was finally safe enough for him to fight a Arlovski or a weak Sylvia. I’d put my house on it that Fador WILL NOT fight Roger again in 3-5 yr when he finally approaches his prime.
    Fadors a smart man, I’ll give him that much. But by no means is he a P4P king.

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  • cdrg says:

    The only reason?!!
    First, the UFC is the undisputed king of MMA pay per view. To do a co-promotion would require the UFC negotiating an entire new agreement, assuming their current contract with the ppv provider even allows that.And with M1? They’re basically a glorified management company. What if every big fighters management wanted to co-promote? They would if they could, but that would be chaos.On top of that, a one fight contract means that, if Fedor wins, he walks away with the title, but then has no obligation to defend it. No sane business man would ever sign that deal.
    Fedor and M1 had a multi-fight deal with Strikeforce, then insisted on renegotiating it after one fight! Fedor “wanted” to fight sooner, but that’s not how it worked out. And that wasn’t even a title match! If you think M1 is difficult to deal with now, imagine how they’d be with the UFC heavyweight belt under their arms.This all reminds me of how Don King used to “manage” fighters into horrible career choices. Fedor is no pussy, and anyone who think that is insane, but I stand by my original post. Who ever is pulling the strings on Fedor’s career is ruining it, and depriving us of a chance to see great fighter compete at the highest level.“Your (sic) clearly” someone who doesn’t know nearly as much about the sport as you think and should be a bit more careful about calling people dumb and insulting their knowledge, or else people think you’ve only started following the sport when Fedor left Sambo.  

    ok I get what ur saying but im not saying that doing co-promotions is a good business but what im saying is that that is the reason why.

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  • crane_style says:

    ok I get what ur saying but im not saying that doing co-promotions is a good business but what im saying is that that is the reason why.  

    Yeah, I hear you. While I think M1 and Fedor the business man is messing up Fedor the fighters career, I agree it is just about business. When Fedor steps in the ring, dude looks like he has ice water in his veins.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    LIST THE FIGHTS FEDOR OR HIS MANAGEMENT TEAM HAVE TURNED DOWN!!!!!!
    and don’t say the UFC because unless you are brain dead you know he has said he will fight anyone in the UFC but won’t sign a UFC exclusive contract, so he turned down the contract but said bring on any UFC fighter.
    He said he would fight Overeem with testing, so he didn’t turn that down either so that leaves…NONE!!!!!!!!.
    As for his management team turning down fights, when was the last time the UFC management team agreed to fight outside the UFC…I remember it was when Chuck got destroyed by Rampage in Pride. I wonder why the UFC management team doesn’t do it anymore? they are turning down a lot of fights aren’t they?.
    I think Alistair is a great fighter too, but to say he is not facing him because he is afraid is wrong, full stop. He said yes if he agreed to testing. You are somehow making that out to be a bad thing for Fedor to be doing. Twist it anyway you want to get the result you want but he still has never turned down a fight he has just asked that it be on an even playing field. How dare he.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Just at ar15’s stupid rant.
    It didn’t take me more than…none because I know my MMA unlike…YOU!.
    He faced Arlovski after he won his last 4 or 5fights in the UFC and then he went on to beat Rothwell and Nelson who are now in the UFC and was ranked no.2 in the world (he was in the best form of his life). Sylvia no.5 in the world. Crocop no.2. Couture no.1 or 2. Hunt top 10., Nog no1 then no..2 x2, Herring no.2 or 3, Rogers top 10.
    Do a little Research dummy.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Barnett was no.2 or 3. Fujita top 20, Babalu a very good fighter and in and out of the top 10 LHWs for years, Arona, same thing, Wedum, top 10, Lindland was a top 10 MW, Schilt has gone on to be a multiple K1 champ and Coleman was in far better shape in his fights against Fedor than he was against Couture.
    Every time, and I mean every time he has been able to fight a top fighter from the UFC or out of it he has said yes. You know it is true. If Lesnar, Valasquez or Dos Santos were to leave he would fight them too.
    He just wont sign an exclusive UFC contract. Just like Mousasi, Aoki, Overeem, Melendez, Hendo, Arlovski, Sylvia, Diaz and many many other TOP 10 fighters wont. Why doesn’t the UFC “show how good it is” and let their champions destroy Fedor, Melendez, Mousasi, Mo and Santiago. I’ll tell you why, because of politics and business reasons, just like Fedor and M1. If you actually think about it you will come to the conclusion… that…you… are WRONG!!!!!!.

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  • Creature says:

    ok liverpunch, i give fedor his props on beating nog, crocop and herring. but when did he beat them? oh yeah years ago.. when the sport of MMA was no where near as evolved as it is now, im pretty sure nog said he was in the best shape of his life and at the best hes ever been before he got flattened by cain, and also fedor beat babalu, coleman, sylvia, arlovski.. yeah all of whom left UFC because they couldnt hack it anymore against the younger better and more evolved compettition, so he beat some has beens big deal, and yeah hes fought more top 20 fighters than cain, carwin and santos combined, BUT cain just flattened “the best nog yet” dos santos destroyed crocop, carwin beat down mir who had been top 10 for a long time, and lesner beat herring and mir, and all of dos santos, carwins, cains, lesnars win have came over top guys. in a more evolved MMA than the good old pride days,

    and AR15 i agree, if fedor was a true p4p king he would just sign the deal with UFC and fight the real top competition

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  • LiverPunch says:

    2 of Lesnars wins came over top 10s, Arlovski choose to leave after beating all of his UFC opponents since Sylvia and then went on to beat Nelson and Rothwell who are now in the UFC. You said Arlovski and Sylvia were past it and yet both were top 5 at the time Fedor fought them unlike when Lesnar fought Herring (he was about 19 or 20th) and when Dos Santos beat Crocop (he was out of the top 20 I think). Yes Cain beat Nog, so what is that supposed to mean as far as Fedor goes? and to say ” and all of dos santos, carwins, cains, lesnars win have came over top guys” just shows you don’t know a thing when it comes to MMA. Carwin has 1 win over a top 10 and 1 over a top 20 and the rest were not even top 50, Dos Santos has no wins over a top 10 and 2 over top 20s (he beat Yvel who out of his 8 matches in Pride only won 1 HW match against big Daddy Goodridge) and Lesnar has 2 wins over top 10s and 1 over a borderline top 20. Like I said before..F#ck me!

    “and AR15 i agree, if fedor was a true p4p king he would just sign the deal with UFC and fight the real top competition”

    and AR15 I disagree if the UFC is the holder of all of the best fighters why don’t they prove it by allowing their fighters to fight outside of the UFC to remove all doubt.

    Honestly you guys cannot see that the UFC never proves it has the best either. Arlovski was winning in the UFC and now out is losing, Hendo was winning but has now lost, Sylvia is struggling now that he has left, A. Silva is destroying everyone in the UFC but all of his losses are out of the UFC. I’m not saying the fighters out of the UFC are better but I am saying that the fighters in the UFC are not better either. Fedor is no.1 so Lesnar and the UFC prove you have the best fighters by letting Lesnar challenge him. That is how it works, not “well you have been no.1 for 5 years so we want you to prove it by signing a contract that you don’t want to”. The UFC wont let their fighters fight Fedor, just like they stopped Couture a few years ago. There was no cross promotion, just the UFC stopping a fight between their HW champion and the world no.1. So get your facts right morons!.
    Don’t get me wrong I think Lesnar would beat Fedor if I was a betting man but I know facts when I see them and you guys are way off base.

    In the words of Team America… why is everybody so frucken stopid?.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    P.S. Fedor beat nog when he considered the best and then 2nd best. What was he considered when Cain had his first top 10, UPSET win over him? around 5th I think, and like many if not all commentators of MMA (people who know what they are talking about who are not trying to promote the fight) say, he was past his best. Which is quite obviously true, because at the time Fedor fought him he was no.1.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    I swear this will be the last I say here. Sorry if this getting boring but….
    Fedor’s last few prospective opponent’s HW ranking (by this site and others) at the time of their fight with Fedor was or is to happen. Please correct me if I’m wrong
    Werdum no.9
    Rogers no.5
    Barnett no.3.
    Arlovski no.2
    Sylvia no.5.
    Couture no. 2.
    If he wins against Werdum he may go on to fight Overeem who is top 10 also.

    Yeah he is dodging top opponents and his last opponents were cans…idiots!

    Lesnar=
    Carwin, no.8
    Mir, no.3
    Couture, no.2
    Herring, ??? high teens at tops
    Mir, top 20.
    Nobody, not even top100

    Now check out Dos Santos and Carwins last 5 or 6 opponents.

    Wow I was right! you guys are full of shit.

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  • moosebaby02 says:

    If Fedor could fight in the UFC with M1 he would and he would be fighting the best there but the UFC dosent want a co-promotion so that is the only reason hes not there. Fedor asked to fight 1 fight deals with the UFC and fight their best and still do his thing but the UFC turned that down, The UFC wants all or nothing. so Fedor is a pussy why? he is scared of who? and hes a puusy for wanting to fight fighters that are clean, like they should be in the sport. Im sure if Alistair (which im a big fan of) didnt use steroids the fight would have been made already. And for that dumb shit AR15, you put Fedor against any one and it would be a headliner let alone against Alistair. Your clearly just getting into the sport and started following MMA when Brock left wrestling.  (Quote)

    this is by far one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this site. maybe you need mangement for dummies then you will understand

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  • cdrg says:

    Fedor beat the top of the top when they were on top or at least top 5 and like liverpunch said “unlike when Lesnar fought Herring (he was about 19 or 20th) and when Dos Santos beat Crocop (he was out of the top 20 I think). Yes Cain beat Nog” but an old Nog. and yes Nog said that he was in the best shape of his career but every fighter says that. I personally will pick Fedor over any one he fight because who else has a record like his fighting such top fighters like he does. he is unbeaten. he has beat the best at their best!

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  • MCM says:

    Wow Liverpunch, this got you riled up huh. :)

    As far as Fedor ducking Overeem, yes he did. Sugar coat it anyway you want but if he was willing and scheduled to fight both Barnette and Sylvia, then it’s obvious that roids are not an issue for him.

    As for the UFC not co promoting with M-1, well why should they. M-1 only has Fedor and as great a fighter as he is he doesn’t bring in very much as far as revenue goes. I knew more people that bought Affliction 1 because of Tim Sylvia and Affliction 2 because of Arlovski than Fedor. If Fedor was the main draw then they would have been able to continue with Affliction 3 instead of folding (guess Josh had been out of the UFC too long ;) ) So for the UFC to co promote with an organization that can’t give them anything would be business suicide.

    Do I think Fedor is top P4P…..no, he’s top 3 though. Is he the number one HW in the world….yes. Will he fight Overeem for the belt….. I hope not. As soon as he gets the belt, that will be the end of Strikeforce. (Rings, Pride, Affliction, Wamma)

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  • AR15 says:

    CDRG this is a grown folks conversation…isn’t it passed ur bedtime anyway? The next time you get lippy or talk outta turn im gonna bend you over my knee and beat ur @$$!!
    And who ever said i was a lesnar fan??? Or a fan of the UFC??? Im a fan of the fighters, not the promotion & right now the UFC has the best fighters in there promotion. Im a fan of fighters like GSP, Fitch, Couture, Nog Bros, Penn, Shogun, Alvarez, even Chael Sonnen…simply because they stand in the octagon/ring & invite anyone to join them. Fedor has to make sure all his M1 global posters r in the right spot and all the proper paperwork is filled out correctly before he’ll concider to step in & fight.
    Liverpucnh you really need to pull Fedors ball sack outta ur mouth, all that mumblin mumbo jumbo doesnt tell me anything except ur book junkie who has never thrown a punch or been punched in his/her life!! U can run all the numbers u want but the HW division world wide was no where near where it is today.
    Liverfag you say i twist things…who running numbers and old stats to prove points? I may have only been involved in MMA for 6 yrs but i’ve been in enough fights to know a thing or two about detecting fear & when Fedor fought Arlovski…Fedor was scared until he landed that right.
    You say the UFC should let its fighters fight outside the UFC to prove point. The UFC is the BIG DOG! They dont have to go look, the great fighters find there way there. Answer me on this one: Why would a multi-million dollar company wanna co-promote w/ a multi-hundred thousand dollar company?
    TOO ALL U IGNORANT RETARDS; I never said Fedor was a pussy, I said he’s a business man 1st, fighter 2nd. I know he’s a good fighter and i believe he is a top 10 in the HW, but not P4P.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Ha Ha Ha you are silly.
    So you finally admit it was business not any other reason.
    ” who running numbers and old stats to prove points?”
    Me! you fool because you said he is ducking, I just showed you how retarded you are being, I succeeded. All those that say he hasn’t fought anyone good recently are wrong, 100%. I have to show the stats to show you that you are just a bias UFC nuthugger because you wont listen, you guys refuse to, that is how you are able to deny the truth to suit your bias. I deal with people like you every day. Easily swayed and an unreasonable thinker. But don’t worry, you are not alone, in fact you are the majority. People said he ducks fights=WRONG, People said he hasn’t fought anyone good recently=WRONG. Your rant attacking me with no actual argument = Me feeling a little sorry for you. Tell me..are you gonna cry? Suck it up sissy, you were wrong you talk shit, can’t back it up with a good argument and are nuthugger central. Deal with it.
    Thank you, I rest my case your honor.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    It cracks me up how people negative tick stats. Like they are trying to deny them. It’s like “noooooooo it can’t be true! your lying, get away from me!…you monster”.
    Well if you negative tick stats and facts, you should take a very hard look at yourself and ask why.

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  • Guthookd says:

    LiverPunch i wanna punch you in the liver   (Quote)

    LOL. I’ll take a hook to the guy while you’re at it.

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  • Guthookd says:

    Guy = gut

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  • AR15 says:

    U really r into yourself huh liverpunk? U haven’t shown me $h!t except how many lil curly fedors hairs u have stuck in your teeth. You must not only have selective hearing but selective reading & comprehension skills as well. He does duck fights. Now whether he does it for business reasons or not, he’s still ducking the fight. If its management reason, then I suggest getting different management(like any other fighter would if management was holding them back.) & I dont care what rank Arlovski & Sylivia were when they fought. They were at the top of a very weak UFC HW division, way back when…who cares?? They’re not in the UFC now for a reason…& its not contract issues. In case I have to spell it out for you…its cause they haven’t evolved like the rest of MMA!!! What I mean by old stats is; how many fighters on that list are even relevant to MMA today?? A couple.
    A UFC nutthugger??? you numbnuts!!! Did you not read…

    And who ever said i was a lesnar fan??? Or a fan of the UFC??? Im a fan of the fighters, not the promotion & right now the UFC has the best fighters in there promotion. Im a fan of fighters like GSP, Fitch, Couture, Nog Bros, Penn, Shogun, Alvarez, even Chael Sonnen…simply because they stand in the octagon/ring & invite anyone to join them. Fedor has to make sure all his M1 global posters r in the right spot and all the proper paperwork is filled out correctly before he’ll concider to step in & fight.

    “I rest my case” now u go cry me a river and name it after you…PussyPunch!

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