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Fedor Emelianenko hoping for rematch with Fabricio Werdum in September or October

Having not suffered a legitimate defeat in more than ten years competing at the highest level of mixed martial arts led many to believe that Fedor Emelianenko was as close to unbeatable as anyone in the sport.

Unfortunately for Fedor and his legions of fans throughout the globe, every man can be beaten.

Such was the case this past weekend as decorated Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Fabricio Werdum handed the long dominant Russian Sambo expert the first true loss of his career in the form of an air-tight armbar/triangle conversion during the main event of “Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Werdum“.

While many sceptics would love to point at the defeat as a sign that Fedor has somehow lost his lethal touch in the heavyweight division, the more likely scenario is that Emelianenko finally made a crucial mistake that ended up costing him following more than thirty tests as a professional.

“I was quick to attack Werdum on the ground and committed a fatal error against a prominent opponent,” admitted Fedor in a recent release at M-1Global.com. “I believe in my abilities as a fighter and will return to my training with a newfound outlook. I will use this moment to reflect and return stronger to fight in America.

“It happens so that I was made an idol. Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being as all of us are.”

So where does the greatest heavyweight fighter of our time go from here?

Werdum made it a point to confess his desire to face off with Emelianenko one more time immediately following the pair’s clash in San Jose, and it now looks as if Fedor’s camp wouldn’t have it any other way.

“I think a rematch with Werdum will bring a different outcome than what we witnessed this evening and would be in the best interests of the promotions and for the sport,” said Fedor representative and M-1 Global co-founder, Vadim Finkelchtein.  “This is an opportunity for us to learn and evolve.”

M-1 Global has further stated that Emelianenko would prefer a return to action in early Fall. September and October have specifically been referenced as possible ideal return dates for Fedor.

Stay tuned to FiveOuncesofPain.com as we keep you up to date on any developments regarding Fedor’s return date and opponent.

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  • Rece Rock says:

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  • asears178 says:

    Absolutely there needs to be a rematch. A fighter who ultimately went undefeated his whole career has his first legitimate loss…… there needs to be a rematch. How hyped do you think this match would be on a rematch. Plus does anybody, but the educated mma fan, even know who Overeem is… probably not. Put him in another match to give him even more exposure and then he fights the winner of Fedor/Werdum. What was pushing Fedor/Overeem was Fedor, not Overeem. Plus Werdum has beat Overeem already and obviously has no interest in Overeem, except for the title.

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  • FightFan313 says:

    I firmly believe that fedor will be back for the belt within a year or sooner. i agree. no need for a rematch. fedor would have got put to sleep and then some so just move on and give the next guy a chance at fedor and let werdum go for the title as he should want to even though I don’t see werdum beating fedor again ..ever. It happened and the champ needs a fight and the winner of fedor werdum was to have that fight so Brind It On !!!

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  • MCM says:

    “I think a rematch with Werdum…. would be in the best interests of the promotions and for the sport,” said M-1 Global co-founder, Vadim Finkelchtein.

    Anyone wanna explain how a rematch helps out the entire sport of MMA. I think it would only benefit Fedor’s legacy. That way they can say he avenged his only true loss and then try to sign an even more outrageous contract.

    How does Fedor always come across as a humble and classy guy and the people he chooses to surround himself with always come across as slimy scumbags?

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  • MickeyC says:

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  • Rece Rock says:

    Fedor Vs. Big Foot

    Werdum Vs. Overeem

    Why is this so hard… they can rematch after that.

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  • bigbadjohn says:

    Here I go playing devils advocate but I believe a rematch is appropriate. Given his record and importance to his organization Fedor deserves a re-do. He dropped and rushed on to a downed opponent and got caught. ala brock mir 1. The worlds ranked number 1 HW should get a shot for redemption given his ten year tenor of wins and, especially with one fight left on his contract

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  • MCM says:

    It’s the “one fight left on his contract” that is the problem, bigbadjohn. If he comes back and destroys Werdum ala GSP/Serra II his people will say the first sub was a fluke and demand more for renewing the contract. If he is not allowed that rematch, Strikeforce holds the upper hand in negotiating. It’s better business for Strikeforce to not allow the rematch but to match him up with someone like Bigfoot or Overeem after he loses to Werdum again ;). With only one fight left, the last thing that Coker should be doing is giving Fedor a reason to go somewhere else, he needs to hold on to that “revenge” incentive until Fedor has signed a new contract.

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  • stone says:

    I wouldn’t mind a re-match… After the overeem fight… Win or lose!

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  • bigbadjohn says:

    I completely disagree MCM. business-wise, the best decision is the immediate rematch. Strikeforce needs Fedor to be the number 1 ranked to survive. if fedor drops werdum in a minute AGAIN and follows up with effective striking, the mystique is restored mostly and you contribute the first fight to a lucky sub. again ala brock mir 1.

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  • Rece Rock says:

    Bigbadjohn: “Strikeforce needs Fedor to be the number 1 ranked to survive.”

    John – There in which lies the problem!

    Thats why I give props to the UFC for not caving into M-1’s contact needs and wants…

    If your a fight promotion and you put all your eggs in one fighters basket your destined for failure or most likely a slow purgatory like existance.

    Scott Coker should wake up and stop praising Fedor like a fan and keep it all business and make it more important to Fedor and M-1 to fight in SF and less important for SF to have Fedor on there roster.

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  • Dr. Sardonicus says:

    Emelianenko’s chances against Werdum rise astronomically if his does not repeat his error again. Only a rematch can prove this true or false. Only a rematch can demonstrate whether the first fight was a fluke or not. Given Fedor’s past record, most fans must be dying to know.

    Rubber match = windfall profits.

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    I don’t believe in instant rematches unless there was some controversy. There wasn’t any, sure they should rematch but maybe after a few fights, not instantly as soon as fedor feels like it. Let werdum challenge overeem and fedor fight bigfoot, or maybe lashley, if werdum beats overeem, then fedor can at least have, hopefully, 1 win before challening for the title, if werdum doesn’t win, then rematch then fedor for the belt after.

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  • Guthookd says:

    From a buisness perspective I think it makes sense to give Fedor another shot at Doom and put a title shot on the line for the winner. Fedor would have to sign another contract in order to get that shot so they’d have him locked for a least a few defenses at what you’d hope would be a sustainable salary.

    From a purely fan-based standpoint I don’t think it’s right to deprive Doom of a great win should the rematch fall in the other direction. It seems like he should get a title shot first, then a rematch with Fedorovna if he gets through Bigfoot (which one whould think he could do very easily….).

    Overall though..I dont’ give a shit.

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  • “Given his record and importance to his organization Fedor deserves a re-do.”

    That’s funny because Chuck Liddell didn’t get an immediate rematch after he lost to Randy (and vice versa) or Rampage.

    GSP didn’t get an immediate rematch after he lost to Serra.

    Hell, when BJ Penn vacated the WW title, Matt Hughes wasn’t even put in an immediate title match.

    The whole thing stinks. But what should I expect from a company who booked Smith/Le II? Coker is trying to book Strikeforce like a pro wrestling company instead of creating stars out of the fighters who win fights.

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  • danw84 says:

    I agree that I would like to see a rematch, but not right away.

    These instant rematches are getting out of hand. Quit taking away from what someone just accomplished with “that was clearly an accident” and make the loser actually have to earn the rematch.

    Controversy is one thing, but just because the favorite lost doesn’t mean it was an accident (although in this case I think this fight was the 1 time out of 100 that Werdum beats Fedor).

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  • Guthookd says:

    Danw84 you’re funny with that last sentence man.

    Serg what was wrong with the Le/Smith two bout? Le set the record straight.

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  • Dufresne says:

    You can’t compare an immediate rematch between Fedor and Werdum to Lesnar/Mir simply because Lesnar didn’t get an immediate rematch. Give Werdum his title shot, he earned it. Besides, Werdum v Overeem IS a rematch, and it’s one I want to see soon.

    I personally don’t like immediate rematches unless it was either a very closely contested fight to decision, or there was some sort of unusual DQ a la Bonnar/Soszynski with the accidental headbutt.

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  • Dufresne says:

    “From a buisness perspective I think it makes sense to give Fedor another shot at Doom and put a title shot on the line for the winner.”

    The problem is that SF promised the winner of Fedor/Werdum a title shot. So making Werdum beat Fedor twice in a row is insulting and basically tells Werdum that SF doesn’t want him to be their champ. He earned a shot promised to the winner, Overeem called out the winner, Werdum is the winner, give Werdum his damn title shot.

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  • FightFan313 says:

    cheh. . . Fedor has to fight is way back light anyone else, non of this bull crap about his record gives him the right to have a rematch right away and put off a championship fight that is suppost to happen. Fedor got beat plain and simple and its not like he got caught\, Fedor got submitted by a World Jiu Jitsu Champion 2 times over and that is part of the fight.

    I think Fedor can beat Silva easily and after that he goes for the looser of Alistar vs Werdum and the the champions belt after that if he wins. Werdum is a good guy from what I see in and out of the ring. I have no problem with that guy being the champ if he can hold the belt.

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  • elsicilian says:

    “How does Fedor always come across as a humble and classy guy and the people he chooses to surround himself with always come across as slimy scumbags?”

    Actually, I don’t doubt that Fedor himself is probably a decent guy, but this is basic good cop / bad cop stuff. Fedor stays aloof and removed, and allows his skeezy management and promotion flacks to play hardball, and ultimately make him lots of money.

    It’s like hiring a divorce lawyer … if he’s a nice guy, he’s not really doing his job.

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  • gstringwife says:

    So where does the greatest heavyweight fighter of our time go from here- Is a bit of a ridiculous statement the greatest fighter really who doesnt fight the greatest fighters INTERESTING,

    FOR the best interests of Strykforce and the Fans, Fedor should not be fighting the title fight on his last fight under contract especially since there was no contraversy in fact it was a rookie mistake he made

    .Let me guess hell take the belt and leave strykforce in the dirt. Hopefully Coker will put a stop to this and start growing Strykforce beyond Fedor and M1

    Avereem would be another great challenge and a more difficult fight but as we know that not Fedors style to do what the fans want he’s been taking the easier road in these later years

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  • bigbadjohn says:

    Your point is taken Rece but the circumstance is that he has 1 guaranteed fight left. after that contract is up, who knows what a guy like Fedor will choose to do? So tell me what would sell better: Fedors Chance at retribution for his lone loss or Fedor and Bigfoot? Strikeforce has had and will have plenty of time to look at their business approach, for now take the guaranteed buck.

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  • FierceFlamingo says:

    I just thought of something really funny, but true all the same… I bet strikeforce lost he is going to get a shot at Overeem for the title! Isn’t that how Brett Rogers got his title shot? lol it could be their permanent policy, if you get get KOed or submitted you get an immediate title shot!

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  • jcash says:

    i agree with BBJ on all accounts. Its his last guaranteed fight for SF, an immediate rematch is necessary in this case. Who knows M-1 could be saying if Fedor does not get his rematch then he won’t be back with SF when his contracts up.

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  • gy614x says:

    I think its best for strikeforce to have Werdum vs Fedor every other even, that way fedor can win, and win, and win, and win…….sarcasm, yes fedors a good fighter with an impressive record, but cmon, give Werdum his moment to shine (probably wont get another anytime soon). If fedor doesnt wanna resign with strikeforce, and doesnt wanna go to the ufc, then oh well, good riddence, thats his problem

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  • Dufresne says:

    Okay, this has nothing to do with Fedor here but I had to get this off my chest.

    It’s STRIKEFORCE! With a freaking IKE in the middle. Not STRYKFORCE!

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  • Guthookd says:

    “The problem is that SF promised the winner of Fedor/Werdum a title shot. So making Werdum beat Fedor twice in a row is insulting and basically tells Werdum that SF doesn’t want him to be their champ. He earned a shot promised to the winner, Overeem called out the winner, Werdum is the winner, give Werdum his damn title shot.”

    I didn’t get to see the whole broadcast so I didn’t hear it promoted as a fight for a shot at the title (and I don’t recall reading it here), but if that’s the case then it should be that simple: Doom vs. The Ream

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  • asears178 says:

    I don’t know if any of you guys have thought about this, but using the argument that it is disrespectful to Wedum to have an immediate rematch because there was no controversy does not really hold water. Werdum is the first person to say that he wanted a rematch…so please stop using that, be more creative on how to hate on Fedor.

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  • mu_shin says:

    Pretty impressive how many entrepreneurial impresarios we have here at Five Ounces who believe they have greater insight into running a multimillion dollar promotion than the men actually charged with doing so. As a fan, I’m a whole lot more interested in fights and the athletes. I’ll leave the business machinations to the guys who seem to be doing an adequate job of keeping the lights on at Strikeforce and that other minor small business, the UFC…

    While I agree that in a sense the talk of an immediate rematch does in some way diminish Werdum’s accomplishment, there’s a reason we’re all so shocked at what happened, and if Fabricio is capable of repeating this upset, a rematch solidifies him as nothing less than top ten world wide. You have to wonder what Overeem is wishing for, as he already lost to Werdum, and now Fedor has proven to be human… Also have to wonder if the formerly elusive Strikeforce HW champ would be prepared to meet Werdum or Fedor this Fall, or if he is off again to Japan and Europe doing his kickboxing thing, thus putting the SF belt on the back burner once again. I’d take the rematch over a protracted wait for the championship bout.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    You guys forget the complete snub Wedrum gave Overeem. I have to agree with them too. Perhaps it should be Overeem fighting BigFoot for a shot at a guy who holds a victory over him and the very best HW there has ever been. Sure he has “the belt” but that belt of Overeem’s is somewhat of a joke.
    I don’t really care about belts to be honest. I have a massive problem with things like Couture losing his last 2 at HW losing his last at LHW and then retiring only to come back for an automatic title shot at the HW champ. Stupid. Although a lot of people complained about Wedum fighting Fedor last sun, I had no problem with it because Werdum held a victory over Overeem and was ranked higher when the fight was organised, and as the result proves, it was a justified shot at the world no.1.

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  • twyg says:

    Forgot who said it, but Werdum did ask for the rematch before a title shot (he even said he would do it in Russia). Let’s say for the sake of argument that Fedor wins said rematch; where does that leave us? The anwser is we are left in need of a third fight, and Overeem probably defending against Bigfoot. That just sucks in my opinion; Overeem vs. Werdum and Fedor vs. Bigfoot with the winners facing off. Both Fedor and Werdum want the rematch; make them wait and build it up. If this weren’t a clear cut win (like say machida/shogun 1) I would be for a rematch, but it was a disisive win. Sorry but Fedor should have to earn it.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Fedor was world no.1 and WAMMA champ.
    It is in SF but honesty it was just the venue they choose to have the fight. Fedor was the champ really and even Werdum said so. Like I said until he fought Rogers, Overeem was only a top 20 HW on most sites and has lost to Wedum in the past so perhaps he is just the next in line to have a shot at either one of those 2 after the dust settles.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    I expect to get even more negatives than you LL but here goes.
    !) Lesnar
    2) Fedor
    3) Werdum
    4) Valasquez
    5) Carwin
    6) Mir
    7) Dos Santos
    8, Overeem
    9) Big Foot.
    10) Noguiera
    11, Rogers, 12, Barnett, 13, Aleksander, 14, Gonzaga, 15, Rothwell 16, Arlovski, 17, Crocop, 18, Kongo, 19, Nelson, 20 Kharitonov

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  • Dufresne says:

    Okay, for the sake of argument, say they give Werdum an immediate rematch with Fedor and he loses. Then what? Who get’s a title shot? They’d both be 1-1 at that point with no clear #1 contender and Overeem will be sitting on the sidelines for awhile yet again or he’ll be fighting someone who has no business in a title situation, yet again.

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  • JBAR says:

    Everyone seems to be focused on Fedor only having 1 fight left on his contract. This means he has no commitment to SF after that fight and may sign somewhere else regardless of who that fight is with. If the winner was supposed to get a title shot and you do not honor that commitment what message does that send to all of the other fighters of the world about your organization? I am sorry but as great as Fedor is he is not greater than the sport or the organization as a whole. If Fedor left SF it would hurt them in the near future but not honoring commitments to your fighters when there is no controversy in the decision will hurt them long term.

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  • “Serg what was wrong with the Le/Smith two bout? Le set the record straight.”

    It’s insulting to Smith. It’s like Coker saying, “Hey, everyone pretty much agrees you shouldn’t have won so let’s go ahead and immediately book a rematch so we can ‘set the record straight’.”

    “Pretty impressive how many entrepreneurial impresarios we have here at Five Ounces who believe they have greater insight into running a multimillion dollar promotion than the men actually charged with doing so. As a fan, I’m a whole lot more interested in fights and the athletes.”

    Me too. That’s why I want to see the fight that makes sense: Overeem/Werdum. No one is talking about business but you.

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  • Lethal Liquid says:

    Liver
    I can’t really argue with where you have Fedor. Where you have Werdum is questionable. I didn’t have him that high because he lost to Dos Santos. I believe Bigfoot has lost back to back decisions so has Rogers. In the case of Rogers in devastating fashion

    I don’t mind negatives. Maybe I’m wrong but, generally my posts are well thought out

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  • danw84 says:

    “!) Lesnar
    2) Fedor
    3) Werdum
    4) Valasquez
    5) Carwin
    6) Mir
    7) Dos Santos
    8, Overeem
    9) Big Foot.
    10) Noguiera
    11, Rogers, 12, Barnett, 13, Aleksander, 14, Gonzaga, 15, Rothwell 16, Arlovski, 17, Crocop, 18, Kongo, 19, Nelson, 20 Kharitonov”

    That is the worst list of all time.

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  • Lethal Liquid says:

    Curious to know how your list would go danw84?

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Hey dude it is who I like best or who I even think is best it is just how I think the ranking should be given win loss against top level etc. What is so bad and why?.
    LL I didnt negative you first up and 2nd Big foot won his last fight against a guy who should have been ranked in a similar spot in the top 20.
    Dawn at least we stuck our necks out.
    Werdum gets to be that high based on the fact he was no.9 or 10. He beat the no.1, When it gets to the low teens it is hard to tell a lot of them apart so a swap around here wuld be hard todebate with any great enthusiasm. I will say that i would swap nog to 8 and have Overeem 9 and big foot 10.

    Finally to dawn84 saying it is the worst of all time , not saying why or giving your own list?. I expected more from you.

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  • danw84 says:

    “Curious to know how your list would go danw84?”

    I didn’t mean it to be an insult to you, I just find them very odd choices.

    Here is my ranking. It’s not very definitive, but it’s how I feel..

    1) No clear #1 until either the UFC heavyweight champion does a bit more, or Fedor makes a big comeback.
    2) Fedor (I’m sorry, I simply can’t drop him lower than #2 with only 1 loss in 10 years. Yet.)
    3) Winner of Carwin vs Lesnar
    4) Dos Santos
    5) Velasquez
    6) Loser of Carwin/Lesnar
    7) Werdum
    8) Mir
    9) Noguiera
    10) Nelson

    I stopped at 10, and I need to see more than beating Rogers for me to think Overeem really belongs there.

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  • danw84 says:

    sweet sunglasses smiley for #8…

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  • Lethal Liquid says:

    To be honest I wasn’t sure about Bigfoot losing back to back. I know you weren’t shooting negatives my way. I was speaking in general. I said this is the most exciting division in MMA previously and I stand by that.

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  • danw84 says:

    Pretty crazy how it went from possibly the least competitive to the most (maybe behind LHW) in such a short period of time.

    Right now is a pretty good time to be a fan of the big boys!

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  • Lethal Liquid says:

    Yea its like the heavyweight division was in boxing in the 70’s. I kinda expect the belt in the UFC to be passed back and forth like a hot potato.

    You got have a number 1 come on son

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  • danw84 says:

    I can’t have one. Fedor just lost, so I mean while I truly do believe he’s still the best, I don’t feel he can be ranked as such yet.

    I don’t feel Lesnar or Carwin can be #1 at the moment. Both have had their stiffest competition in Frank Mir, who I feel is very overrated, and I didn’t even like putting him at #8. Until one beats the other, then another top guy, I don’t think they can be #1. #2, #3, sure, but not #1.

    Werdum beat #1, but JDS viciously knocked him out not too long ago, and hasn’t lost since. Werdum’s fight against Silva didn’t show he’s a top 3 guy either.

    So…. who’s #1? I don’t think anyone at the moment.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Why is Nelson considered anywhere near top 10? He lost to AA then Monson and has won 1 against Brendan Scaub and 1 against Struve since. OK fine but top 10? NO WAY!. I am not up to date with my rankings list of late but I would say that you will find not 1 list anywhere that has him higher than 15 at a guess.
    Why is Carwin ranked higher than Werdum?. Yes Dos Santos and Arlovski beat him but he has beaten Fedor, Bigfoot, Vera and Gonzaga recently not to mention other top 20s Aleks and Overeem. Carwin has beaten Mir and Gonzaga. Well done but is that enough, considering those are the only 2 guys within the top 50 (or so) fighters he has fought?
    I will say that if Fedor beats Werdum in the rematch (and well) he goes no.1 again.

    P.S. I just looked up fight matrix and they have Nelson at 26! only 1 list I know but it caught my attention. Besides it is not how good you or we think they are, it is results against fellow top fighters that counts. My top 10 would be completely different if it was based on how good I thought they were.

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  • danw84 says:

    I don’t really care about other place’s rankings though. Have you seen sherdog’s new one? I take calling yours the worst back. A lot.

    I have Nelson at 10 based on his experience and his proven skill. I just don’t feel anyone in the 10-20 really would be a guaranteed win against him.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    “I don’t really care about other place’s rankings though”

    I know what you mean here. I like Nelson and at the risk of being laughed at I think he will go very close to beating Dos Santos. I jut can’t recall Nelson beating anyone in the top 20. Was Struve top 20? anyway I like him and I hope I can put him there too soon, but not yet I’m afraid.

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  • Lethal Liquid says:

    The winner of Lesnar vs Carwin should be #1. In the case of Lesnar his last 3 will have been Carwin,Mir and Couture. A very heady list. Carwin his last 3 would have been Lesnar,Mir and Gonzaga. Very nice experience if you applying for the top spot. Fedor last 4 Werdum, Rogers, Arlovski and Sylvia

    Nelson is on the rise. You can’t tell me you have Bigfoot or Rogers rated higher. Rothwell definitely isn’t higher

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  • danw84 says:

    I don’t think Carwin or Lesnar can be #1 until the winner of their fight beats Velasquez. Then, that’s a pretty decent resume (considering who Velasquez has beating, none of which being Mir).

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Rothwell=
    Win Gilbert Yvel
    Loss Cain Velasquez
    Win Chris Guillen
    Loss Andrei Arlovski
    Win Ricco Rodriguez
    Win Krzysztof Soszynski
    Win Travis Fulton
    Win Roy Nelson
    Win Matt Thompson
    Win Devin Cole

    Nelson=
    Win Stefan Struve
    Win Brendan Schaub
    Loss Jeff Monson
    Loss Andrei Arlovski
    Win Brad Imes
    Win Fabiano Scherne
    Win Antoine Jaoude
    Win Bryan Vetell
    Win Shane Ott
    Loss Ben Rothwell

    Big Foot=
    Win Andrei Arlovski
    Loss Fabricio Werdum
    Win Jim York
    Win Yoshihiro Nakao
    Win Justin Eilers
    Win Ricco Rodriguez
    Win Jonathan Wiezorek
    Win Wesley Correira
    Loss Eric Pele
    Win Georgy Kaysinov

    As you can see, Big Foot has the better record of late and just won over a guy that recently beat both Nelson and Rothwell.

    Their resumes are nearly identical in caliber of opponent and wins in their last 10. Even their losses are very similar, that is apart from the fact Rothwell beat Nelson and has one more victory in his last 10.
    All of this just highlights the fact that there is 2 worlds in MMA right now. UFC and non-UFC. Some think the UFC HWs are better and some think the non-UFC HWs are better. We should have 2 sets of rankings really, an official transparent ranking system based on wins, losses and against who would be nice also.

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  • JBAR says:

    The ranking system is almost as messed up as the judging system…

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  • Rece Rock says:

    bigbadjohn says:
    “….Strikeforce has had and will have plenty of time to look at their business approach, for now take the guaranteed buck.”

    Yes, this is true good point…I always agree with a Business first outlook.

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  • TerribleT says:

    There has to be an immediate rematch to keep STRIKEFORCE afloat. Fedor is STRIKEFORCE’s ticket to longevity and STRIKEFORCE needs a huge fight to show they have legitimately arrived and Fedor/Overeem is that fight not Werdum/Overeem. If they still have a prayer of getting this fight to materialize then there has to be an immediate rematch. The same thing just happened with another one of their bread and butter fighters,Kung Le. After he lost to Scott Smith they knew that they had to get him a rematch B4 they could build him up for a super fight against Nick Diaz.

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  • Niv says:

    As a die hard Fedor fan I have to say I have mixed feelings on this.

    I understand that this loss was the very first real loss in the mans career, it came on the heels of a what looked like a typical Fedor beatdown was coming and he got caught. Well that’s the style he fights and he tempts fate everytime he jumps into the guard of a Werdum or Big Nog like he did in the past, full marks for a great submission to Werdum.

    As for an immdeiate rematch I would like to see it as I doubt Werdum would be able to do it again, (but this isn’t about me) I think Werdum with this huge win needs to fight for the title first.

    Werdum earned his chance at being labelled the SF HW Champion and the fight with Overeem should be set up as soon as possible. Both fighters fought recently, both eneded their fights quickly so I don’t see why they can’t set something up in the very near future.

    It would be a very good fight and let Fedor get his shot after the dust clears.

    As unpopular this is going to be if Werdum beats Overeem then Fedor vs Werdum could be the title fight. Let’s not forget that Randy Couture was given a title shot at HW after a ko loss to Chuck Lidell at LHW so this does happen regardless of the excuses that will follow it.

    On another note the top ten rankings for HW are a true mess now because I don’t know who I can rank higher than Fedor still except for Werdum for the moment. I’m sure we all agree Werdum isn’t the number 1 but he proved he’s world class, I just can’t transpose Werdum’s achievement onto another fighter who hasn’t faced him (Brock&Carwin) or actually achieved anything to the level Fedor has.

    Either way no matter what I think the winner of Brock/Carwin is going to be ranked number 1 until at least Fedor puts together another string of impressive wins together.

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