Comments on: UFC on Versus 2 – Previews and Predictions http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 27 May 2012 02:45:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Brendhan Conlan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156222 Brendhan Conlan Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:24:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156222 I enjoyed reading your picks. Should be a great show tonight! I enjoyed reading your picks. Should be a great show tonight!

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]]> By: GIKE MOLDBERG http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156217 GIKE MOLDBERG Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:50:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156217 I have got Jones by stoppage in the second round-Okami by stoppage in the first-Howard by decision-Gomi by stoppage in the third-and Johnson-Irvin-Stann-Volkmann-Oliveira all by decision I have got Jones by stoppage in the second round-Okami by stoppage in the first-Howard by decision-Gomi by stoppage in the third-and Johnson-Irvin-Stann-Volkmann-Oliveira all by decision

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]]> By: Dufresne http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156216 Dufresne Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:37:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156216 I agree that he's freakishly gifted, but like Jak pointed out, unless he's improved his cardio I don't see how you can call him one of the most <em> athletically </em> gifted fighters. After all, endurance is a critical part of athleticism. I agree that he’s freakishly gifted, but like Jak pointed out, unless he’s improved his cardio I don’t see how you can call him one of the most athletically gifted fighters. After all, endurance is a critical part of athleticism.

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156214 BigDave Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:33:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156214 to correct people that seem to think i said Jones is the best fighter, that is clearly not what i said. I said he is one of the most athletically gifted. Meaning alot of his talent you can't teach. He has the ability to hang in there with anyone as far as raw talent goes the one question mark is weather or not he will have the heart and fortitued to get through a tough fight against a top tier guy. So as a fighter he still has alot to prove but from a purely athletic stand point I stand by what I said before. to correct people that seem to think i said Jones is the best fighter, that is clearly not what i said. I said he is one of the most athletically gifted. Meaning alot of his talent you can’t teach. He has the ability to hang in there with anyone as far as raw talent goes the one question mark is weather or not he will have the heart and fortitued to get through a tough fight against a top tier guy. So as a fighter he still has alot to prove but from a purely athletic stand point I stand by what I said before.

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]]> By: stone http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156212 stone Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:42:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156212 The Vlad vs Jones fight is such a given "W" for Jones it's almost not fair! I'm hoping somehow, someway Vlad can pull off the upset... Nothings worse than a gift-wrapped win! OUCH just felt a thumbs-down The Vlad vs Jones fight is such a given “W” for Jones it’s almost not fair! I’m hoping somehow, someway Vlad can pull off the upset… Nothings worse than a gift-wrapped win! OUCH just felt a thumbs-down

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]]> By: Swing Em http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156210 Swing Em Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:01:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156210 Main Card Predictions Jones by FRBD (First Round Beat Down) , it's gunna be violent! Okami by Submission (armbar or triangle) , I just have a funny feeling Munoz is going to get careless from the top & have to tap. Griffin by TKO , he's just too strong for the former Pride FC champion Ellenberger by Decision , both men are well rounded & haven't been finished by an opponet since 2007, (both lost in September of that year ironically enough) However Jake is the bigger stronger fighter & i think that will get him the win. Main Card Predictions

Jones by FRBD (First Round Beat Down) , it’s gunna be violent!

Okami by Submission (armbar or triangle) , I just have a funny feeling Munoz is going to get careless from the top & have to tap.

Griffin by TKO , he’s just too strong for the former Pride FC champion

Ellenberger by Decision , both men are well rounded & haven’t been finished by an opponet since 2007, (both lost in September of that year ironically enough) However Jake is the bigger stronger fighter & i think that will get him the win.

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]]> By: Dufresne http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156209 Dufresne Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:39:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156209 - Don't have a clue. Going with Elkins because he got "heads" and that's how my coin landed. Should be a good scrap though. - I'm also going with Kimmons here via sub, but I think he's gonna get it in the early part of the 2nd round. - Agreeing with Brendhan here; Stann TKO round 1. - And agreeing with Brendhan here too; Irvin via TKO Round 2. - Going with Johnson via sub, Round 3 - Griffen by UD - Great fight. Probably my pick for fight of the night. I'm gonna take Ellenberger via UD. I was originally going with Howard by decision, but but when I double checked everything I realized he's got 2 split decision wins in his last 4 fights and I personally don't think he's as good as the only guy to have a split decision win over Ellenberger. - Hopefully someone via TKO, but realistically someone by boring me to death. They're both pretty talented fighters, and hopefully their wrestling will cancel out and we get a stand up war. Otherwise it looks like a lay-n-pray snoozefest to me. Munoz may have good GnP, but I think Okami is just good enough off his back to prevent him from doing much of it. - This is the other fight I'm looking forward to. Jones has faced a few tough guys so far, but "The Janitor" is by far the toughest yet. If I hadn't seen how Jones absolutely ragdolled Hamill before getting DQ'd I have put this at probably a 60:40 Jones:Matyushenko, but after that dominating wrestling display followed by a win due to a broken face (literally ) against Vera, I'm putting it more at 75:25. I just can't completely count out a dude as tough and skilled as Matyushenko. - Don’t have a clue. Going with Elkins because he got “heads” and that’s how my coin landed. Should be a good scrap though.

- I’m also going with Kimmons here via sub, but I think he’s gonna get it in the early part of the 2nd round.

- Agreeing with Brendhan here; Stann TKO round 1.

- And agreeing with Brendhan here too; Irvin via TKO Round 2.

- Going with Johnson via sub, Round 3

- Griffen by UD

- Great fight. Probably my pick for fight of the night. I’m gonna take Ellenberger via UD. I was originally going with Howard by decision, but but when I double checked everything I realized he’s got 2 split decision wins in his last 4 fights and I personally don’t think he’s as good as the only guy to have a split decision win over Ellenberger.

- Hopefully someone via TKO, but realistically someone by boring me to death. They’re both pretty talented fighters, and hopefully their wrestling will cancel out and we get a stand up war. Otherwise it looks like a lay-n-pray snoozefest to me. Munoz may have good GnP, but I think Okami is just good enough off his back to prevent him from doing much of it.

- This is the other fight I’m looking forward to. Jones has faced a few tough guys so far, but “The Janitor” is by far the toughest yet. If I hadn’t seen how Jones absolutely ragdolled Hamill before getting DQ’d I have put this at probably a 60:40 Jones:Matyushenko, but after that dominating wrestling display followed by a win due to a broken face (literally ) against Vera, I’m putting it more at 75:25. I just can’t completely count out a dude as tough and skilled as Matyushenko.

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]]> By: MickeyC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156208 MickeyC Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:25:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156208 I agree with JA K & MCM. Jones has talet and a definite future but he has not fought anyone I would consider a gate keeper or anyone better than 7th or 8th in the weight class. Depending on the match ups I can see him fight 3 or even 4 more timesbefore a shot. I can also see this going the distance if Vlad can keep from being over welmed. I agree with JA K & MCM. Jones has talet and a definite future but he has not fought anyone I would consider a gate keeper or anyone better than 7th or 8th in the weight class. Depending on the match ups I can see him fight 3 or even 4 more timesbefore a shot. I can also see this going the distance if Vlad can keep from being over welmed.

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]]> By: Jak http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156206 Jak Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:59:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156206 I don't know that Jones is the most "gifted"... it wasn't that long ago i 100% gassed against Bonnar and lost the last half of the fight. Solid skills, sure. most "gifted" fighter... let's see him face a top 5 LHW before he gets that distinction. I don’t know that Jones is the most “gifted”… it wasn’t that long ago i 100% gassed against Bonnar and lost the last half of the fight.

Solid skills, sure. most “gifted” fighter… let’s see him face a top 5 LHW before he gets that distinction.

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]]> By: BigDave http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156204 BigDave Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:42:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156204 Jon Jones is possibly the most gifted athlete fighting in MMA today. His speed and power are going to be tough for anyone to get past. We also need to realize he is still in his early 20's and just a sponge when it comes to learning and wanting to get better each time out. He will likely be a champ at 205 by end of 2011 if he fights 3 more times by then. With all that being said it safe to assume that I am picking Bones(no pun intended :) ) To come out smart and technical and just overwhelm the vet on way to a ground and pound victory either late in the first or early in the second. I'm still having a hard time seeing the why there is all this hype behind Munoz. He has done nothing yet in his 8-1 record that was showing he can step up to the next level. The one fight he had with a guy who is truly legit was Matt Hamill and he still hasn't got the plate number of the truck that ran him over in that one. Okami on the other hand has by far the more experience and has beat guys like Tanner, Dean Lister, Mike Swick, and Alan Belcher, not to mention going to Decision with Rich Franklin. I see Okami being able to land shots on Munoz and just grind him out, and if he leaves his chin exposed Okami will have no problem putting Munoz to sleep with a knee to the chin. I pick Okami by tko round 3 Now on to the fight I am most looking forward to, Gomi vs. Griffin. Have you ever played rock'em Sock'em Robots? Well that is what i see happening in this fight. Both these dudes are just gonna come out head hunting. the first guy to fall down losses. This will be fight of the night and possibly ko of the night as well. I'm taking Griffin by ko round 2. Jon Jones is possibly the most gifted athlete fighting in MMA today. His speed and power are going to be tough for anyone to get past. We also need to realize he is still in his early 20′s and just a sponge when it comes to learning and wanting to get better each time out. He will likely be a champ at 205 by end of 2011 if he fights 3 more times by then. With all that being said it safe to assume that I am picking Bones(no pun intended :) ) To come out smart and technical and just overwhelm the vet on way to a ground and pound victory either late in the first or early in the second.

I’m still having a hard time seeing the why there is all this hype behind Munoz. He has done nothing yet in his 8-1 record that was showing he can step up to the next level. The one fight he had with a guy who is truly legit was Matt Hamill and he still hasn’t got the plate number of the truck that ran him over in that one. Okami on the other hand has by far the more experience and has beat guys like Tanner, Dean Lister, Mike Swick, and Alan Belcher, not to mention going to Decision with Rich Franklin. I see Okami being able to land shots on Munoz and just grind him out, and if he leaves his chin exposed Okami will have no problem putting Munoz to sleep with a knee to the chin. I pick Okami by tko round 3

Now on to the fight I am most looking forward to, Gomi vs. Griffin. Have you ever played rock’em Sock’em Robots? Well that is what i see happening in this fight. Both these dudes are just gonna come out head hunting. the first guy to fall down losses. This will be fight of the night and possibly ko of the night as well. I’m taking Griffin by ko round 2.

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]]> By: MCM http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156194 MCM Sun, 01 Aug 2010 06:31:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156194 I'm gonna spoil everyone's hopes here but I think all Main Card fights are going to a decision. Gomi v Griffin Gomi may be a shell of his former self but he's still tough as hell to finish, same with Griffin (aside from the shell part.) This is gonna go three rounds of Griffin GNP for the UD. Ellenberg v Howard I love Jake in this but Doomsday has only been put to sleep once in his career. Ellenberg does major damage from the top and should be able to take Howard down almost at will but Doomsday is one tough fighter and should be able to keep fighting on his way to a loosing a UD. Okami v Munoz Munoz is getting a ton of hype lately for some reason but he's still pretty untested. Yes, he's a great wrestler and it's easy to look at Chael's domination of Okami as evidence that Mark should take wins this. But let's not forget that for all his great wrestling, he only got a Split Dec against Nick Catone and KO'ing Okami hasn't happened in past 7 years even though 21 people have tried. We do know that Munoz is not a fan of large blunt objects against his head and if Okami can land one of those knees he landed against Tanner (rip), he could put him to sleep again. But I don't think so. This one is gonna go the distance too, and I think Yushin is gonna get his hand raised at the end. Jones v Matyushenko Jones is another guy with a ton of hype but his is at least deserved. He's flashy, classy, and is a blast to watch. He also couldn't put away Bonnar or Gusmao and as much fun as he is, I don't see how he's gonna put the Janitor down. Matyushenko is tougher than a coffin nail and, as pointed out, has been in there with the best in the business and had his hand raised more often than not. This too will go the distance but I'm thinking it's gonna be a lot closer than most are thinking. Jones by Split Dec. I’m gonna spoil everyone’s hopes here but I think all Main Card fights are going to a decision.

Gomi v Griffin
Gomi may be a shell of his former self but he’s still tough as hell to finish, same with Griffin (aside from the shell part.) This is gonna go three rounds of Griffin GNP for the UD.

Ellenberg v Howard
I love Jake in this but Doomsday has only been put to sleep once in his career. Ellenberg does major damage from the top and should be able to take Howard down almost at will but Doomsday is one tough fighter and should be able to keep fighting on his way to a loosing a UD.

Okami v Munoz
Munoz is getting a ton of hype lately for some reason but he’s still pretty untested. Yes, he’s a great wrestler and it’s easy to look at Chael’s domination of Okami as evidence that Mark should take wins this. But let’s not forget that for all his great wrestling, he only got a Split Dec against Nick Catone and KO’ing Okami hasn’t happened in past 7 years even though 21 people have tried. We do know that Munoz is not a fan of large blunt objects against his head and if Okami can land one of those knees he landed against Tanner (rip), he could put him to sleep again. But I don’t think so. This one is gonna go the distance too, and I think Yushin is gonna get his hand raised at the end.

Jones v Matyushenko
Jones is another guy with a ton of hype but his is at least deserved. He’s flashy, classy, and is a blast to watch. He also couldn’t put away Bonnar or Gusmao and as much fun as he is, I don’t see how he’s gonna put the Janitor down. Matyushenko is tougher than a coffin nail and, as pointed out, has been in there with the best in the business and had his hand raised more often than not. This too will go the distance but I’m thinking it’s gonna be a lot closer than most are thinking. Jones by Split Dec.

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]]> By: Makington http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156192 Makington Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:42:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156192 It was his fight with Kendall Grove Jak, and you're right, he was nearly knocked out cold with a flush uppercut. His only loss is a devastating ko loss to Hamill too, but I still think he has a solid enough chin for Okami. Should be a good fight, but I think Munoz' wrestling game is a little too strong and he'll grind a decision. I don't think Jones will have too hard a time with Vlad. O'brien, Hamill, and Vera never even came close to taking him down and the way he's gotten better in between fights makes me think he'll toss Matyushenko as he pleases. I'm also really pumped for Demarques' fight. He missed weight by a pound but Riddle is one of the most boring fighters I have ever watched and I think(hope) Johnson has the skills to put him away and send him walking. It was his fight with Kendall Grove Jak, and you’re right, he was nearly knocked out cold with a flush uppercut. His only loss is a devastating ko loss to Hamill too, but I still think he has a solid enough chin for Okami. Should be a good fight, but I think Munoz’ wrestling game is a little too strong and he’ll grind a decision.

I don’t think Jones will have too hard a time with Vlad. O’brien, Hamill, and Vera never even came close to taking him down and the way he’s gotten better in between fights makes me think he’ll toss Matyushenko as he pleases.

I’m also really pumped for Demarques’ fight. He missed weight by a pound but Riddle is one of the most boring fighters I have ever watched and I think(hope) Johnson has the skills to put him away and send him walking.

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]]> By: GIKE MOLDBERG http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156187 GIKE MOLDBERG Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:34:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156187 I see Howard winning via stoppage and Jon Jones winning by blowing our minds with elevated skill level I see Howard winning via stoppage and Jon Jones winning by blowing our minds with elevated skill level

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]]> By: Jak http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156186 Jak Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:08:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156186 Okami was coming off long injury lay offs against a hungry Sonnen who had been quite active prior to that fight. Not saying that Okami will take it, but that's a poor fight to make a judgement about Okami... Muonz seems to get dropped in his fights as well. i can't remember which one it looked like he was almost done in round 1, but it wasn't that long ago and it wasn't to a top MW. Okami was coming off long injury lay offs against a hungry Sonnen who had been quite active prior to that fight.

Not saying that Okami will take it, but that’s a poor fight to make a judgement about Okami…

Muonz seems to get dropped in his fights as well. i can’t remember which one it looked like he was almost done in round 1, but it wasn’t that long ago and it wasn’t to a top MW.

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]]> By: bigbadjohn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156185 bigbadjohn Sun, 01 Aug 2010 02:59:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156185 MMA logic, you are quite logical. Aside from having Bones down 2-0 going into the 3rd, i agree with all of the above. Im not discounting Vlad but Jones has that swagger now that I cant see him losing a rovnd to anyone outside the top 5 at 205. BUT i do respect yovr unique prediction, youll no doubt be The man if jones does get a come from behind win MMA logic, you are quite logical. Aside from having Bones down 2-0 going into the 3rd, i agree with all of the above. Im not discounting Vlad but Jones has that swagger now that I cant see him losing a rovnd to anyone outside the top 5 at 205. BUT i do respect yovr unique prediction, youll no doubt be The man if jones does get a come from behind win

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]]> By: MMA-LOGIC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/07/31/ufc-on-versus-2-previews-and-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-156184 MMA-LOGIC Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:54:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=26453#comment-156184 I think Jon Jones is one of the best 205ers in the world. I also believe that by the time Jones challenges for the title he will be the best in the world. I think he will beat Matyushenko but in rd 3 after he has been behind on the cards for the majority of the fight. Okami via submission against Munoz but it could easily be Munoz who has his hand raised at the end (of 3 rds mind you). Gomi needs to raise his game or it will be "see you later" to the fireball kid. I think he will lose and it will be Griffin via dec. As for Howard vs Elllenberger, it could go one of 2 ways due to the apparent skill set and skill level similarities. It could be a barn burner or it could be a fight in which they cancel each other out. I hope it goes the way that the last Santiago vs Khalidov fight went and becomes a real to and fro fight. I think Jon Jones is one of the best 205ers in the world. I also believe that by the time Jones challenges for the title he will be the best in the world. I think he will beat Matyushenko but in rd 3 after he has been behind on the cards for the majority of the fight.
Okami via submission against Munoz but it could easily be Munoz who has his hand raised at the end (of 3 rds mind you).
Gomi needs to raise his game or it will be “see you later” to the fireball kid. I think he will lose and it will be Griffin via dec.
As for Howard vs Elllenberger, it could go one of 2 ways due to the apparent skill set and skill level similarities. It could be a barn burner or it could be a fight in which they cancel each other out. I hope it goes the way that the last Santiago vs Khalidov fight went and becomes a real to and fro fight.

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