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Dana White takes aim at Thiago Alves’ weight

You can officially add Dana White to the growing contingent of people ready for American Top Team’s Thiago Alves to either permanently slim down or move to the middleweight division. Alves was over the welterweight limit by a half-pound against opponent Jon Fitch at last weekend’s UFC 117 and has missed the official mark twice now in his UFC career.

White addressed the Brazilian’s most recent transgression at the post-event press conference, saying, “He looked lethargic tonight. He looked slow. He doesn’t belong at 170. He belongs at 185 pounds…It’s bullsh*t to have guys make weight and have guys not make weight, especially at this level…When you’re in the UFC, your job is to make weight…”

Continued White, “Could (Alves) have cut that half a pound? Maybe he couldn’t have. Maybe he cut so much weight that mentally, it would have broke him to go cut that last half a pound and that’s bullsh*t…I guarantee he can make 185 and he’ll never have a problem at it.”

However, though the UFC President made his viewpoint clear, he also stated Alves doesn’t apparently share it with him. During the same line of questioning, White mentioned an exchange of text messages with “Pitbull” coming shortly after the fight who essentially said he wanted to remain at 170-pounds regardless of his performance and issues cutting weight.

  • Rece Rock says:

    Really?? I think Pit bull wouldn’t make any impact in 185. Just needs to not walk around as heavy to begin with so it’s not as big of a cut when it’s crunch time

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  • FightFan313 says:

    I agree with you R Rock. I heard that Alves walks around at almost 200 lbs which is madness trying to loose 30 lbs before a fight. GSP is ripped at 5’10” and walks around at 185 and has never had a problem making weight.

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  • Rich S. says:

    I actually think Alves would be a beast at Middleweight.

    He’s already had a title fight and a #1 contender fight within the last year, and lost both of them. There’s just not much left for him at 170, not right now. But, if he can make weight, I’ll still watch him beat people up.

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  • MCM says:

    I think Rogan hit it on the head during the fight. Alves just has too much Muscle and focuses too much on weight training. I’m not saying he can’t be ripped, but “No one needs pecs that big.”

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  • KTru says:

    Alves is 5’9″ with a 70″ reach, he would get outstruck easily at MW. He would be undersized as a striker, in which is his forte. But I can Dana’s point, so it’s a tough call for Thiago

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  • Dufresne says:

    Alves needs to back off the weight lifting. If he would focus more on grappling, less on weight lifting, and try to cut some of that muscle mass he could be a much bigger threat. His striking is top-notch in the WW division, but between his sub-par grappling and his inability to make weight consistently he’s not going to get many more #1 contender shots, much less title shots.

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  • Scott H. says:

    I’d like to shift the conversation another way for a moment…

    I think it might be more competitive if the UFC made some small changes to it’s weight classes. 15 lbs. is a big gap between 170 and 185, and the 20 lbs. between 185 and 205 is huge.

    Adding a Cruiser Weight division at 190 or 192, and then dropping middle weight to 180 would shake up the landscape a little, and add some excitement. Big welter weights (Alves, Swick, Saunders) could move up to 180. 185’s could decide to move up or down based and their size, and how much weight they cut. Smaller LHW would have an easier time moving down. There are more then enough high calibre fighters to stock a new division, and added a another championship would add excitement.

    Just a thought…

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  • JBAR says:

    Cutting the amount of weight that some of these guys cut can be very hard on your body. I have said for some time that they should have a second weigh in the night of the fight and only allow fighters to be 5% over the specified weight. This really would not change the divisions that much it would just mean that most fighters would move up 1 division or you just change the weight class limits to say 225 lbs LHW 205 MWT ect. and would be a lot better for the overall health of the fighters.

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  • captchaos says:

    I saw him off season a couple of years ago in Atlantic City before the GSP fight. He has that body type that has the ability to just blow up. My buddy who was writing for a MMA Website and covering the event in AC was talking to Thiago’s people at the event and his people said Thiago was like 210 Ilbs. Thiago is short and stocky. 5’9″ is a stretch. He’s more like 5’8″ tops. Most fighters have inflated height. He would be very small at 185. Even though he looks huge on TV doesn’t eman he really is. First of all TV makes you look bigger and TV doesn’t show how tall or short you really are. Shawn Sherk in person is so tiny but he looks like a monster iout there. Sherk has almost midget like features.

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  • Angry Mike says:

    It’s about time that Zuffa or White weighed in on this issue. (Man, am I clever for a Monday). Alves is a repeat offender when it comes to being over, so fining him isn’t the solution. A fine is appropriate when a fighter has a one-time problem, not when he comes in overweight repeatedly. If a fighter is consistently overweight, he’s in the wrong weight class.

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  • boomnutz says:

    i think Alves would actually do pretty well at 185, there aren’t too many wrestlers, whereas, WW is chock full of them, yea he’d be given up some height and reach but i bet he’d still be a top 5 guy…

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  • Dufresne says:

    The UFC isn’t the one that fined him, that was the athletic commission. Half of the fine went to Fitch, the other half went to the state.

    I wouldn’t mind them redoing the weight classes to be honest. There’s a 10 pound jump between FlyW, BW, FW, LW and WW and we’ve seen that the elite in one of those classes doesn’t usually do as well at the next higher weight class. That shows that the 10 pound difference is a huge factor.
    But after that you have a 15 pound jump between WW and MW, and then a 20 pound jump between MW, LHW, and HW.

    When MMA was first getting sorted out there weren’t enough fighters to have a ton of weight classes, but now that the sport has grown I think it can deal with it. There may be an initial thinning out of the MW, LHW and the smaller HWs, but in the long run that will open up spots to more fighters that are unfortunate enough to have a body type/size that is too small for one weight class, but are too large to successfully cut to the smaller class.

    I also like the 2nd weigh in idea because drastically cutting weight is inherently bad for your health. It may take away the advantage of certain fighters, but it’s also been shown that with appropriate training you can come into a fight pretty close to the limit without cutting weight and in doing so it seems that your cardio/conditioning is even more pronounced. Lesnar has stated several times that he walks around ~280 when he’s not training for a fight, but in the months leading up to a fight he adjusts his training and conditioning so that by the time of the fight ideally doesn’t even have to cut weight.

    I have a hard time believing that BJ Penn, Edgar, Aldo, GSP, Shogun, Silva, or really any of the elite level fighters in each division are cutting drastic amounts of weight in the days just before a fight. I can’t remember ever seeing one of them show up to a weigh-in looking as drawn as Alves does almost every time.

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  • cocoonofhorror says:

    i would keep him at WW and have him fight Anthony Johnson on evey event.

    2 birds, 1 stone…

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  • egad81 says:

    I know a lot of guys that carry to much muscle and not enough CARDIO.

    Tell the FATBull to stop worrying how big his muscles are and get on a treadmill for a few months.

    At 5’9′ (5′ 7″ in real life) he should be walking around at 165 and fight at 155 but his ego is getting in the way of his career. He will NEVER win UFC gold at 170 and has NO PRAYER at 185.

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  • JabCrossHook says:

    Alves should def. start slimming down, he’s way too small to be a MW since he probably walks around at 190 and most MWs are just taller and walk around at the 200 range. The height and weight difference is just too much. If Fitch was able to take him down like that then what would MW Chael Sonnen do? Probably TKO alves in the first round.

    Concerning the issue of natural weight vs. cutting weight, there are several successful fighters out there that stay at their natural weight and barely or don’t cut weight at all. Frankie Edgar is only like 157-158 so cutting to 155 just means less meals. Alexander Shlemenko walks around at like 190 if even 190, maybe 188 around there. He’s a pretty successful middleweight that managed to handle his bigger opponents at 185. Most MWs walk around at 200 if not more but they’re just not as big and strong as the guys who walk around at like 225-230 and cut weight to LHW.

    In terms of weight division change, as far as I’m concerned the only weight div that should be changed is HW. From like 206 to 240 could be cruiser weight and from 241-265 would be HW.

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  • crane_style says:

    I think GSP is a better wrestler and striker than Fitch, and if Alves can’t take Fitch, what chance does he have against GSP?

    And going to 185? With that short a reach? He’d do okay with the gate keepers but get crushed by most of the top guys.

    You have to keep evolving, or you fall behind the fighters who do. I didn’t see anything new from either Fitch or Alves in that fight. Everybody knows what Fitch’s game plan is, but Thiago still couldn’t stop it. Safe to say wrestling is his weak spot.

    I think Alves’s only choice is to lose some bulk and get his hand speed up. Because if he doesn’t, he won’t ever get beat a good wrestler and this is as far as he goes.

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  • bigbadjohn says:

    Thiago’s gotta stay at 170. In fact, give him Hughes again next and if he can’t handle that, I can only imagine what Chael would do to him up at 185.

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  • im certainly glad he lost. I was appalled to see them offer Alves a possible second shot at GSP when he had just been dominated by an injured champion for 5 rounds. I truly hope Fitch can be the guy to dethrone GSP. I really like him and he’s the first guy that started GSP on this not being able to finish people path showing he’s tough as nails. Sadly I doubt it as our current ww champ just seems unstoppable.

    On a side note did anyone else think it was kind of jerkish of Rogan to say that Fitch has really no natural talent and the main reason he won was because of Thiago’s weight cutting problem? I mean Thiago looked kinda slow and tentative, but I thought of that as being more from the fact that Fitch tagged him with that high kick early and started working his hands better than ever before and it threw off the pitbull’s plan? I dunno, maybe that’s just me, but i swear Fitch looked alot more eager to try and finish Thiago than he has been to finish his last few opponents.

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  • BigDave says:

    lets face fact here.

    First off there isnt a snowballs chance in hell anyone currently will beat GSP other then a lucky punch or a mistake by GSP. Second Alves needs to either dedicate himself to his traing and maintaining a healty wieght or just qiut fighting all together.

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  • BigDave says:

    ps i cant spell apperently!

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  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Sheilds could possibly beat GSP. Kampman and Koscheick also pose significant challenges big Dave.

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  • BigDave says:

    Logic, whatever you are smoking please share it with the rest of the class.

    First did you see GSP vs. Kos 1? That fight although it went the distance Kos a colligate wrestler was out wrestled and never in the fight at any point.

    Kampman is a good fighter but the 2 times he has stepped up in class vs Daley and Marquart he was tko in the first, so there is nothing there that says he is ready to take on the top fighter bar none on the planet.

    Shields may be the most intriging of the three you named but he will be dominated on the feet by GSP and definatly out wrestled. Shield though is outstanding in the sub game and if he is able to catch gsp napping he could secure a choke which he has won 9 of his 10 sub victories with, but that is extremely unlikely to happen.

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  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Did you see Serra vs GSP 1? or Couture vs Lidell 1? or Arlovski vs Sylvia 1 or …Well you may in fact be right. When I say right I mean just like everyone who said Werdum was no challenge for Fedor or that Sonnen was no significant challenge for Silva or that Nog would destroy Fedor.. And to say GSP will out wrestle Sheilds is up for debate in my opinion. I would put it to you that Koscheick would beat GSP in a wrestling match but Josh lost the wrestling duel in an MMA fight. I mean the first time Couture and Chuck fought Randy out struck Lidlell. Was Randy the better striker? no he wasn’t and never was so to say GSP is a better wrestler than Sheilds or Kos or that he will out wrestle them in an MMA fight is very much up for debate..

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  • BigDave says:

    Against shields then it may be up for debate that GSP will dominate in the wrestling but only because they haven’t fought. Against Kos there is zero debate because GSP already dismantled his wrestling game once before, and yes he out wrestled him in an MMA fight cause the UFC is MMA competition not a wrestling competition.

    I’ll agree any fighter can be beat on any given day that’s what makes the sport great but i will also add that the fights you just named i went on record for all of them saying werdum would beat fedor, sonnen would pound on silva and back in the day that fedor vs nog battles where very close to call.

    As for your reference to is couture a better striker then Liddel, no he is not. there is a difference though between being a better striker and landing a better punch.

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