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A Memo to Strikeforce: Fighters Need To Fight

The life of a fighter is, in a word, hell. Fiscal responsibility is hard enough in this day and age without throwing in the uncertainty that a sport like MMA provides. A serious injury can leave a fighter unable to earn a living for several months at best, a year or more at worst. On top of that consider the physical stress a fighter’s body must endure to continue competing (and winning), and as such the window for success is relatively narrow against a person’s total lifespan.

None of this is news to anyone who follows the sport with any sort of seriousness. So why are so many fighters under contract to the world’s second largest mixed martial arts organization having trouble getting fights?

2010 was a year in which Strikeforce saw record growth across the board. They ran eight regular events and seven smaller Challengers cards, branching out past their West Coast roots to hold shows across the country. They’ve made some great additions to their roster with newly crowned Strikeforce 205-pound champ Dan Henderson being the most notable of the group. There were setbacks of course; the disastrous “Strikeforce: Nashville” was easily one of the worst events of the year for a number of reasons. Most Strikeforce events have been met with great reactions from fans and press alike, and ratings for Showtime have been good and even occasionally great.

At the same time the company has neglected the careers of several of their fighters under contract. Few fighters have been perpetually screwed in quite the same way as Jay Hieron. He recently spoke about his split from Strikeforce and it’s easy to see why he was so unhappy during his time there. He was signed in 2009 and slotted into an immediate title fight with Nick Diaz, but then when Diaz missed a drug test (for some unknown reason) Hieron was moved down to the prelims to fight “TUF” reject/professional pants-wetter Jesse Taylor. Five months later he scored his second win in Strikeforce against Joe Riggs which was the last fight on his contract. Contract negotiations kept the former IFL champion out of the cage for the next year, and Strikeforce seemingly refused to give Hieron the title fight he’d already been scheduled for once. He bolted for Bellator where he won his promotional debut this past weekend, thereby moving into the semi-finals of the welterweight tournament. If he wins the tournament he’ll be fighting at least three more times this year, and he’ll be guaranteed a title shot. Given all those factors it’s easy enough to see why Hieron took a hefty pay cut to sign with Bellator. He needed to get back to fighting and right now that’s a pretty good place to do exactly that.

Hieron moved on to new opportunities but there are plenty of fighters still locked up with Strikeforce while waiting to fight again. Tim Kennedy did get to compete this past weekend (breaking an almost seven month layoff), but he made plenty of noise in recent months about his difficulties in finding some competition. He was victorious against Melvin Manhoef on Saturday and afterwards he revealed that he had acquired a cut on his chin during training, but he covered it with makeup to make sure the athletic commission didn’t deny him his chance to compete. Kennedy also revealed that after making an attempt at fighting full-time he has gone back to his other love: shooting people with a sniper rifle in service of his country.

Kennedy was originally slated to take part in a third fight with his old arch-nemesis Jason “Mayhem” Miller, but Miller was yanked from the fight with no reason given and Manhoef took his spot instead. Is Miller being booked for another fight? Unfortunately we don’t know. What we do know is that “Mayhem” has not been inside the cage since the aforementioned Strikeforce: Nashville card. For those of you keeping score at home that show was eleven months ago. Since then Miller has fought once in Japan and continued in his duties of bringing MMA to tweens everywhere on his MTV2 show Bully Beatdown (now in its third season). You would think that Strikeforce would be making more of an attempt to book one of their biggest stars, but then again you (probably) don’t work for Strikeforce.

Then there were the rumors that surfaced last week surrounding Strikeforce Women’s Middleweight Champion Cris “Cyborg” Santos. The rumors that popped up came from Brazil and were attributed to the infamous “sources close to the fighter,” and they claimed that “Cyborg” was considering signing a contract with the WWE. Those rumors have yet to be officially confirmed or denied, but with Santos having not fought since June of last year (and with no fights on the horizon) it really doesn’t seem all that crazy to consider that she might be getting restless.

Several other fighters like Gesias “JZ” Cavalcante and Lyle Beerbohm have also expressed displeasure with their bookings (and lack thereof), but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that anybody has recently been treated more unfairly by Strikeforce than Dutch-Afghan fighter Siyar Bahadurzada. Siyar was contacted by Strikeforce and offered a contract with the company in April of 2010. He signed the contract and sent it back. He then waited 10 months for a call from Strikeforce matchmaker Rich Chou but that call never came. Then earlier this year he found out that the reason he hadn’t gotten a fight yet was because Strikeforce had not signed his contract.

Does that make any sense at all? Strikeforce reached out to Bahadurzada and his management to have him fight in the organization. They sent him a contract. He signed it. They ignored the signed contract and left a fighter in the cold for almost a year. Siyar was able to continue competing overseas, but to this day he is still waiting to make his American debut.

Just for the record; Bahadurzada holds a win over Evangelista Santos, who was the last man to compete for the Strikeforce Welterweight Championship,

It’s clear that Strikeforce has a problem, but what’s the solution? To me (a company outsider with little-to-no knowledge of the inner workings at an MMA promotion) the answers seem simple. First I’d stop running the Challengers events immediately and turn those timeslots into normal Strikeforce events. Stop doubling (or even tripling) up on title fights and spread those bouts out. Strikeforce has seven championships so there’s no real reason why they couldn’t have at least 14 title fights a year. If your champion won’t defend their belt (no names necessary here, I hope) then strip them of the title and get it on somebody who wants it. Lock more fighters into exclusive contracts and be more aggressive in contract negotiations.

Strikeforce needs to keep their fighters happy if they intend to continue their growth as a company, and they’ll need as many good fighters as they can get if they ever want to become a serious competitor to the UFC. When a fighter sits on the sidelines it takes money out of his or her pocket, and it costs the company future profits that could be earned by letting their stars go to waste. A fighter like Kennedy has the kind of life story that could earn the company extensive crossover appeal. Miller already has a devoted following of fans and enough charisma to sell just about any match-up. Cyborg is the most feared female fighter in the world and a modern-day pioneer for women’s MMA.

Let your fighters fight Strikeforce. It’s better for everybody that way.

33 COMMENTS
  • hindsightufuk says:

    worse of all for me is Gilbert Melendez, the LW champion who is fighting for the first time in a year or second time in 16 months. thats bollocks

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  • This is another example of the superiority that is the UFC and shortly Bellator. Strikeforce has by a long shot the more interesting Heavyweight division(interesting not necessarily better) and a good stable of Lightweights. Shortly I could see Diaz not really having a fight in front of him if he and Mayhem cant come to an agreement(yes Im writing off Daley).
    I agree with Hindsightfuk about Gil. Gil could be tearing up the UFC’s lightweight division(once again tearing up as in having great fights not being the champ) but instead he’s just training, but after thinkin about it, Im sure he’s enjoying the new baby, but he needs to be able to pay to feed her.

    Good article, something not usually brought up en masse like this.

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  • Madmax says:

    I wouldnt write off Daley just yet…….Methinks Daley will beat the living hell out of Diaz(The classless gangster punk), and take his belt by KO. Diaz will soon wish he had signed a fight with Mayhem.

    Madmax

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  • MCM says:

    Nice article Mr. Tool. (although the last sentence leaves me scratching my head. ;) )

    I like SF, I think they have a good stable of fighters that put on exciting fights. But the reason SF gets trashed is because of their business decisions, Not letting their fighters fight, giving title shots to unworthy opponents, allowing other champs to retain their belts without fighting for the organization, forgetting to promote their product, allowing other promotions to take their TV deals, etc. All of these things make me wonder what the hell is going on at the offices of Strikeforce. Now I’m not saying the UFC doesn’t make stupid moves on occasion, but for the most part they have laid out a good blue print on how to run a respected MMA promotion. They make their fighters fight, if their champ is out too long they make interim titles, no co-promoting, and they advertise like crazy.
    Right now, Strikeforce reminds me of a young B.J. Penn, all the potential in the world but none of the work ethic. If SF could just work smarter, I think they could be the first serious threat to the UFC’s dominance in MMA.

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  • Rece Rock says:

    If SF was smart they would take there challenger series and basically carbon copy bellators tourney system, as far as the regular card roster Keep only the upper crust of each division and keep feeding the division new talent via the Challengers tourneys and they will save $ and have constant stacked fight cards…. BUT they will continue to just keep up the maddness.

    As much as I would like to see it… it’s BS that Fedor will probably get a LHW title shot after 2 losses, but this is the stuff they do… they operate there business on a series of huge highs and lows instead of just keeping a competitive pace… COKER wake up slow and steady wins the race.

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  • Guthookd says:

    ” wouldnt write off Daley just yet…….Methinks Daley will beat the living hell out of Diaz(The classless gangster punk)”
    -Max

    LOL @ you dude. If there is anyone in the world with less class than Diaz it’s Daley. So, if you hate on Diaz for being a classless punk and then turn around and support Daley, you’re a little misguided, IMO.

    Good post Tool. True dat.

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  • Brendhan Conlan says:

    Though I agree in principle with Adam’s argument the most important statement in his article is, “To me (a company outsider with little-to-no knowledge of the inner workings at an MMA promotion) the answers seem simple.” None of us TRULY know what’s going on backstage at Strikeforce or what it takes to run a promotion on that scale.

    Let’s also not forget the UFC occasionally shelves athletes for far too long as well. We just don’t hear as much about it because they have so many other fighters/shows to keep us distracted with.

    Also, on a side note, in terms of Melendez he wanted to take some extra time off as a new father to spend with his baby girl.

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  • Dufresne says:

    Also, on a side note, in terms of Melendez he wanted to take some extra time off as a new father to spend with his baby girl.

    It may not be a fighting related layoff, but taking time off to be with the family is still 100% acceptable in my world.

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  • boomnutz says:

    MCM what don’t you get about the last few sentences?

    Anyway, this is what I’m always saying, SF sucks because they lack consistency!!!! I’m going to use this opportunity and stand atop the milk crate…

    I like watching their fights, and will continue to do so, but I honestly hope they crash and burn, I know people will give me a thumbs down, but screw em…We see a professional model, THAT WORKS, when we watch the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. If the UFC expands like it hopes too, it stands a great chance, of capturing the success of the other professional sports, and ruling over MMA as one supreme body. Contrary to what MMA-Logic will have you believe this is our best chance at seeing the best in the world fight the best in the world (cross promotional fights and non exclusive contracts are like socialism – it’s great in theory but the application never works).

    I’ll even stand up and offer to be the first ever president of MMA fighters Union!!!

    Let’s do it

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  • MCM says:

    boomnutz – a couple of words were left off the last sentence. It’s been fixed now.

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  • mu_shin says:

    The only issue I would take with the assertions made here is that I don’t believe SF must become a “serious competitor to the UFC” to become a successful promotion. They have done well, relatively, in comparison to other failed promotions, in the shadow of the giant, and it seems to me that if they develop more consistency, and put some energy into developing more depth in their roster, Strikeforce can assume a position in the MMA business that will allow fans an opportunity to enjoy more good matches, while delivering solid returns to their investors, without having to challenge Zuffa and the UFC for dominance in the market.

    It’s pretty obvious logic that a professional fighter needs to fight to make a living, and it behooves the promotion that holds a fighter under contract to provide a livelihood to it’s contractors. Better, more professional matchmaking and scheduling would go a long way toward helping SF establish more consistency, and if there is a page of the UFC model they may want to take a look at, it may be the longer range planning and advertising the UFC uses to build it’s events over time.

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  • LiverPunch says:

    Siyar has fought 2 times since April 2010 and is about to fight Alessio soon so whats your problem?.
    What happened with Hieron was Hieron’s fault as much as Strikeforce’s. Jay Hieron fought twice in 6 months for SF and then demanded a title shot and TV appearances be in his contract. He was told no , just like everyone who asks for that is told no. “He bolted for Bellator” no he was released after he was told his demands were too much. He wanted to stay but have the red carpet rolled out for him even though he was not a big draw and just inside the top 20. He did not go to the UFC but opted for the smaller organisation. Probably because Dana told him that he was insane for demanding what he was.
    The biggest problem I have with this article is the fact that all SF fighters can go and fight overseas any time they want. There is nothing stopping any SF fighter fighting. The organisation has a lot of difficulty fitting everyone in and trying to get them to fight for them.

    Boomutz you are saying having a free fighters market and the ability to choose where you fight is like socialism?. You don’t know what you are talking about. Look up socialism and see if exclusive contracts all under the same banner with no freedom to choose or non-exclusive contracts , where the fighter is free to choose is more like socialism. Unions are a lot like socialism too buddy.
    Your argument doesn’t make sense Boom because in the real world , this one we are both in, there is more than 1 company and we can’t see the best compete because of exclusive contracts. They are the very reason why they can’t compete. In the reality Alvarez , Melendez and Edgar can’t fight because of them.

    Stanislav Nedkov?. In June 2010, it was announced Nedkov had signed a contract with the UFC and he still hasn’t fought or had a fight set.

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  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    “Stanislav Nedkov?. In June 2010, it was announced Nedkov had signed a contract with the UFC and he still hasn’t fought or had a fight set.”

    If he was in Strikeforce he could have fought in WVR or DREAM while he was waiting but in the UFC he can’t fight at all, anywhere, anyone, no wrestling, BJJ, Sambo or even boxing or K1. If he was signed with SF he could have done it all. So boo hoo SF hasn’t had 12 main cards a year and has fighters fighting elsewhere instead of in SF. Get over it. It does not have exclusive fighter contracts and does not take away a fighters rights to do whatever the hell he wants in other countries.Trust me when I say the entire MMA world will be like that soon. Do you think a fighter will choose to have his freedom, likeness and control taken from him?. Boomnutz is living in “LA LA” land where he thinks that the UFC is going to take over all of MMA. The UFC is going to get weaker and weaker over the next 10-15 years until it no longer is sustainable and either disappears or ceases to operate like it does now. It is already happening.

    You people don’t get it do you?. SF is not the fucking UFC. It can’t operate in the same way. Alistair Overeem is the SF, DREAM, and K1 champ. He can’t fight 3 to 4 times a years in each. Melendez has had fights fall through and by the time he fights Kawajiri he will have fought 3 times in 15 months thats a fight every 5 months. Not good but there are fighters in the UFC that have not fought any more. Siyar has been free to fight elsewhere while waiting and there must be a reason why they are not using him yet. It is not like he has been shelved, he has been fighting.
    You all know how I feel about contracts that stop fighters from fighting each other by law. I don’t see where Boomnutz got the idea that free fighters was like socialism and that it doesn’t work. It is working. Besides China is the fastest growing power in the world and SF is the fastest growing MMA organisation in the world.

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  • Spoken says:

    Am I missing something, or did you just say that sf is free enterprise while ufc is socialist, and then turn around and compare china to strikeforce?

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  • Rece Rock says:

    Why would the average fighter want to fight over seas??All you hear about is fighters due paychecks and rarely being paid in full, yeah that sounds like a good option. Unsanctioned matches with no non partial commission officials to protect the fighters rights. No drug testing… I mean If your a big draw maybe you get good treatment over there but if your a mid card guy fighting on foreign soil you gotta watch your back financially and contractually.

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  • crisis182 says:

    I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been saying to dump the challenger shows forever. Put the main event of the challenger show as the lead in for the regular shows.

    ALSO, show us some damn undercard fights. How do you not sneak in Jorge Gurgel’s 40 second fight into your last broadcast which included two fights finishing early? That is unacceptable. Plus, there have to be other undercard fighters that we have never learned about because of this. I remember watching the first round of the HW GP and I believe every fight on that show had a finish, so they just went off the air over an hour early. That is crazy!

    I love Strikeforce shows, but they need to get their shit together.

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  • boomnutz says:

    you guys are turds!!

    and you’re dead wrong. What’s the problem with boxing? At the present time what’s the biggest issue? I’ll take the liberty of answering it for you, it’s that pretty boy Floyd won’t fight Pac Man and vitaly and Wladimir won’t fight either…Want to know what would solve this? I’ll answer that too :-) one governing body, that forces the fighters to fight! You guys are the one living in “la la” land to think its more beneficial to go the other route, so this way fighters can pad their stats and duck fights?!?! and promotions can argue over purses, all set thanks. Let me ask you, where do all the fighters want to fight??? it’s the UFC, and for good reason, they take care of their fighers better than all the other organizations, it’s funny how it’s not even close. Bellator is the ONLY organization with any semblance of fairness. The truth is UFC is going to smash all the competition (as long as the current management stays intact and their successors know what they’re doing) and probably buy up all the competitors until only the small un-assuming regional promotions are left, and it will be to the benefit of all…

    Try out this scenario…hey Jon Fitch and Kos you better fight or you’re fired, and there’s no promotions left…

    ahhh shit I guess we have to fight…

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  • boomnutz says:

    LP you’re stupid, you missed the point, I used socialism as an example because on paper it seems like a great theory, spread the wealth out, no one goes hungry or poor, blah blah blah…but when it comes time to apply the theory it backfires, corrupt individuals horde all the wealth worse than in capitalism, people tend to live in worse poverty and dictators rule like tyrants…

    THE POINT IS that it just doesn’t work…

    I’ll switch it up for you, A UTOPIAN society (you should read it, it may help), great idea, application is impossible

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  • boomnutz says:

    LP, I take back calling you stupid, I was out of line, sorry bud

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  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    You dont get it. There is not 1 governing body in MMA or boxing and if all of the boxing feds and orgs had exclusive contracts we would be seeing half of the big fights we see today and Pac and Floyd would be prevented by law from fighting. Exclusive contracts in boxing would be a disaster. I agree that it would be ideal if they were all in the 1 company but they arnt. Dont you understand, there is not 1 MMA company and there has never been just 1 and there will never be just 1. You are saying about utopia, well MmA is not utopia and your dream of an Mma landscape that has 1 governing body will never exist. It looks good on paper though.

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  • boomnutz says:

    logic, I don’t know where to begin, I feel like you just re-iterated what I was trying to say (minus the end) I was pointing out the problem with boxing (thank you agreeing, partially) there may never be just 1 MMA organization, but there will be 1 dominant MMA organization look at the history of the other major sports especially the NFL:, it started as a bunch of club teams and eventually that evolved into many leagues eventually you had the NFL and the AFL and eventually the NFL as we know it today, so history tells me that what I predict is EXACTLY what’s going to happen…

    I mean this lightly, but you’re a fool to think otherwise, let’s face it athletes are commodities (explains why Cristano Ronaldo’s legs are insured for like 100 freakin million dollars) and commodities need to protected, hence exclusive contracts, it’s the organization protecting itself and its fighters…exactly why Ben Worthlessberger was facing some heat from the Steelers for riding his bike without a helmet, you think these companies are stupid? do you think they want to run the risk of their most valuable resources getting hurt?!?!

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  • Sykotick says:

    I agree Boom, while I like strikeforce, I think that there has to be one major organization for MMA, just like every other sport.
    Now what makes that so hard for a sport like MMA unlike on for the NFL, is that for the NFL 30 teams formed the league, and that’s much easier to do than say 3000 individuals.
    On top of that, imagine the scedule that the single governing body would have to have to have every fighter fight, while that sound fuckin awesome to us fans cuz that means a lot of fights, imagine the money said governing body would have to spend.
    The NFL have a grand total of 22 games a year, and play offs aside the owners are the fronting a lot of the money for TV time. So under those rules, the MMA fighters would be funding their own TV time, could you see how long that would last?
    So that in mind, how many newly professional fighters are going to be able to pay for TV time for themselves.
    Furthermore, with fighters controlling their own fights much like the teams do in the NFL, could you see how freakin chaotic thd title hunt would be?!
    I believe their needs to be one governing body in MMA but people need to stop comparing it to the NFL or NBA or the MLB.

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  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    MMA is nothing like NBA, NFL, MLB at all, in fact it is as far from those sports as it can possibly be.
    It is not a team sport, it does not require a league, it participants compete up to 5 times a year not up to 90 times a year etc etc etc etc etc. MMA is however very closely related to Boxing. It is an individual sport, it is a combat sport, it is scored in rds etc etc etc etc.
    MMA started most recently in America with the UFC in the early 90s but since then there has been an explosion of companies and promotions and more and more are starting all the time. In it’s present state MMA is far worse than boxing. In boxing most of the time the very best in a division will fight, in MMA they are prevented by law and can’t compete and it is getting worse by the day. People often use Pacman and Mayweather as examples but forget that if they were MMA fighters they may be prevented by law from fighting ( 1 is a SF fighter and the other a UFC fighter for example ) so for fucks sake get that example out of your head and THINK for the love of god, use your fucking heads!. If you want to use that example I’ll use the 1 where Fedor and Couture were not allowed to when they both tried to, is that better or worse than boxing?. At least in boxing the Fedor vs Couture fight would have happened.
    Boxing is not in the best shape of it’s long lifespan but it is still pulling bigger crowds and PPVs world wide, the fighters get paid more (the lucky ones get 10s of millions) and the elite are more widely recognized and respected.
    The UFC was the biggest MMA company in the states for a long time and nobody really challenged them but now Bellator, Affliction, Strikeforce, Sharkfights, Titan and others are all getting high profile fighters to fight for them. You guys don’t get the fact that the UFC has only been the biggest in the world for 4 years. In the old days Pancrase, Rings, Pride and others were bigger. The UFC will not be able to keep the exclusive contract thing going for long. Already high profile fighters are turning their backs on the UFC, fighters such as Fedor, Mousasi, Hendo, Diaz, Melendez, Alvarez, Arlovski, Sylvia, Overeem, Werdum, COUTURE, Lawler, Aoki, Barnett and others have either left the UFC for more money and better opportunities or have opted not to go to the UFC. This will increase over the next few years until the majority of the best are again outside of the UFC. I see it at about 60-40 now and in 5 years at the same but reversed until within 10 years it will snowball until the UFC changes or dies. Fighters will always choose to be free over being controlled if the option is there.
    Do you think the UFC and WEC merger was for the fans or do you think that the ZUFFA boys did it for their own pockets?.
    You mentioned Ronaldo Boom but he plays for Real, then Portugal in the world cup and friendlies and also the UEFA cup not just in the 1 league or for the 1 company.
    You mentioned other sports but MMA is the ONLY sport where the best can’t compete, THE ONLY 1.
    I understand why the UFC has exclusive contracts. They spend a lot of time promoting them, they don’t want them losing to non-UFC fighters, they don’t want them being injured etc. What I’m trying to tell you is that the best can’t compete, that is it, the best can’t compete. If you want them to, you don’t want exclusive contracts or you want them all in the same company. They will never all be in the same company, never ever, ever. So do you want thew best able to compete?.

    ” I think that there has to be one major organization for MMA, just like every other sport.”

    You mean most major sports in the US not every other sport but I agree with the post mainly.

    Just to finish. I would love to see every single fighter in the world in the same company but that is nowhere near the case now and will never be the case so in order for the best to compete exclusive contracts must go. It is that simple.

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  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Meant to go somewhere with the WEC thing but forgot what I was going to say so that is why it is just a random comment.

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  • boomnutz says:

    I’d love to get some of what you’re smoking…

    “MMA started most recently in America with the UFC in the early 90s but since then there has been an explosion of companies and promotions and more and more are starting all the time. In it’s present state MMA is far worse than boxing. In boxing most of the time the very best in a division will fight, in MMA they are prevented by law and can’t compete and it is getting worse by the day.”

    How many boxing PPVs go on nowadays?!?! the only time someone orders one is when Manny fights, or Floyd, and let me tell you they can’t carry boxing much longer. And while they may pull better numbers on a “per event basis” the UFC is a money making machine, they have quality AND quantity, and a TV show too boot. And let’s talk about brand recognition, most people recognize the sport as UFC, what does that tell you?? And another thing the best in the world DO fight the best in the world, and guess what, they fight under the UFC banner. Look at every major publication’s top 10 lists and its littered with UFC fighters, some weight classes are completely represented by the UFC. And the gap is just going to continue to grow, SF and the other orgs can only ride the coattails of the UFC for so much longer (by the way they all need to bow down and thank the UFC for breaking down barriers and single handedly running the legal campaign to get MMA sanctioned, fuck they’re even raising awareness in other countries) Lastly, as far as boxing is concerned it’s a proven bad business model, it’s corrupt, fighters don’t fight, they pad their stats fighting bums, and most importantly they think they’re bigger than the sport – basically they don’t have Dana keeping them in check.

    you’re straight delusional homie

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  • boomnutz says:

    just a few more tidbits, syko thanks for the support…but the NFL plays WAY more games like almost 32 times more

    hate to say it, but the business model most applicable would be the WWE (hey fuck you, it works)
    seriously, though my vision of what MMA (UFC) will become is very similar to the WWE, weekly cards showcasing young and mid-level fighters or contenders that are more than a fight or 2 away from a shot…monthly PPVs with all the title shots, contender bouts or high profile grudge matches…

    all the other orgs will accept their role as a farm system, potentially working hand in hand with the UFC (they send talent to the UFC, the UFC helps with marketing and other resources normally not available to a regional promotion) and upstarts like SF go the way of the USFL and the XFL (Bjorn gets it, but Cocker (love this btw, i don’t know used it first but mad props) doesn’t and he’ll continue to get burned trying to go head to head)

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  • Rece Rock says:

    “…MMA is far worse than boxing. In boxing most of the time the very best in a division will fight, in MMA they are prevented by law …” – MMA LOGIC

    Where do we begin with this excerpt….? Forget it, not even going there.

    You Sir are…….. Sofa King We tard Ed.

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  • Sykotick says:

    Boom the regular season has 17 weeks but teams get one by week, there is then the wildcard playoff, divisional round, conference round, probowl, and finally superbowl. Byweek in account that is 21 games for a select few teams. Now there are 4 preseason games but those are never counted so with those that’s a total of 26 total weeks of NFL.
    I live in Texas therefore Football is religion lol

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  • boomnutz says:

    Syko I get what you meant, I was putting in that’s there’s 32 teams…believe me Football is what drives me. it’s that and MMA…I don’t how i’m going to have time for my wife and kids when I have them ;)

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  • boomnutz says:

    just curious, is HS football really as crazy as it seemed in Varsity Blues and Friday Night Lights?!?

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  • Rece Rock says:

    HS Football in the big city no, not that crazy… Football in the south and middle america, yes that crazy… Why I have no idea I guess the community gets involved heavily in comparison to a place like NY where there is interest but the whole community ain’t going to the “big” game there’s other shit going on… I played HS football in Staten Island and it was nothing like a TV show… aside from the kids, the parents and the local newspaper nobody else really gave a shit unless there was some milestone or all star stand out doing something big…

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  • boomnutz says:

    our high school football games were crap, i’m sure it was the norm for a northern city, but the things you hear about Oklahoma and Texas and other southern states, it’s like a way of life down there

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  • Rece Rock says:

    Word…

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