Greg Jackson offers up his side of the story on UFC 151 fiasco

In the past 24 hours, renowned trainer Greg Jackson has been the target of a ton of criticism including being publicly labeled as a “sport-killer” and “weirdo” by irate UFC President Dana White. The outrage surrounding Jackson stems from his decision to advise light heavyweight champion Jon Jones to decline a short-notice clash with Chael Sonnen. Jones’ action ultimately resulted in the company making the unprecedented move of cancelling UFC 151, setting off a storm of anger in the MMA community.

Jackson took some time to give his thoughts on the situation in an interview with MMAWeekly where he didn’t appear to be upset about the public’s reaction, offering up staunch support of his star student while also explaining his reason for telling Jones to turn the fight down.

“Chael is in a great position in that he’d been training with Dan Henderson for this fight, getting him ready, and he’s in shape. He knows the plan on what they’re gonna do to get around Jon. So he’s ready to go. It’s not like he’s stepping off the couch and into a fight. So taking a fight of that caliber with a guy that’s ready, on three days notice, for a world championship, without any time to prepare, is just not professional to me,” stated Jackson, adding, “It was actually three days notice; it’s not eight days notice because you don’t train the last week of a fight camp. That’s when you do media and weight cutting; there’s no real training going on there. When I was asked if fighting Sonnen for a world title on three days notice was a smart idea, I said no.”

The accomplished coach also revealed he was never given the impression Jones’ removal from the show would result in the event being axed, though even if he had it doesn’t appear as though Jackson would have felt any differently.

“I don’t think I would’ve changed my opinion about it. That still doesn’t sound like a good idea at all,” said Jackson. “I was giving my opinion on if that was a good fight or not. Sonnen is no joke. He’s a great, great fighter.”

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58 COMMENTS
  • G-DUB says:

    Shouldn’t the headline here be “The F’ing Sport-Killer Speaks”?

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  • G-DUB says:

    Greg Jackson is the unfortunate by-product of this sport blowing up. I care tons for fighters, their livelihoods and their long-term health, but the top fighters and coaches are evolving into entitled prima donnas who are too smart for their own good. Makes you appreciate fighters like Cerrone, though I’m concerned he’s been spending too much time around Jackson as well.

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  • Richard Stabone says:

    Those are some pretty straight forward remarks about how Jackson sized up the situation. I’m curious where people think he’s wrong.

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  • THEGUNNER says:

    Hes not wrong but I wouldnt have been wrong to take the fight and keep everyones jobs active either.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Doesn’t sound like the UFC offered to negotiate. “Fight Chael with 3 days notice before you start the weight cut and final media blitz.” Full stop.

    It probably could have been salvaged by making it a non-title fight, greasing some palms, etc. Instead of it was “fight Chael or you’re off the card”, which then became “the card is off”.

    These are logistical issues for a promoter to resolve, not a fighter declining a single bout.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Oh, and just so we have a nice comparison, here is Machida’s official response:

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  • drstu says:

    Entitled prima donnas too smart for their own good? A fighter willing to risk a title and possible injury by fighting with only 3 days to prepare doesn’t sound very smart to me. Alot of “fans” don’t seem to care about the well being of the fighters, just want to see the “human cock fights” of the original days of the UFC. Dana white seems to have the same mindset.

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  • MCM says:

    Can someone please explain to me how Jon Jones was not ready to fight?
    Please tell me where I’m wrong. Jones spent the last couple months training to fight an excellent wrestler with heavy, KO power in his hands and devastating ground and pound. Now he’s being asked to fight an excellent wrestler with light hands and active, but weak, ground and pound.
    If Greg Jackson hasn’t been “preparing” his fighter, what the hell has he been doing?

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  • elsicilian says:

    First of all (and yes this is splitting hairs, but Jackson is the one who introduced the ridiculous distinction), I think he’s wrong in saying that eight days is really three days. I am no mathematician, but last time I checked, eight days is eight days, and how you choose to while away those hours doesn’t fundamentally change the number of them.

    Second, he’s wrong in assuming that the fight would have necessarily been a championship match. If fear of losing the strap was the biggest motivating factor (as it seems to be from Jackson’s explanation), Jones could have negotiated a non-title, catchweight bout. Sonnen himself had noted that it would have been difficult for him to make 205 as it is (which would provide a perfect cover story for that stipulation) and I don’t think it would have meaningfully detracted from the promotion, since Sonnen’s chance of winning would be pretty remote anyway, and everyone knows it.

    Finally, I think he’s wrong in suggesting (implicitly if not explicitly) that Sonnen would gain some distinct advantage from the last-minute booking. Jackson’s points aren’t factually incorrect, but Sonnen was not training to fight, he was not ramping down his weight, or timing his workouts to peak, or anything. He might have had some insight into Henderson’s gameplan, but that doesn’t mean he’d necessarily want to (or be able to) execute it … as everyone has pointed out, they are two different fighters, and that works both ways.

    Anyway, I am sure there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye, but in any case I don’t really hold Jackson accountable. He has no obligation to the UFC, the fans, or the sponsors, only to his fighters, and he offered his opinion when it was asked. But I think he advised JBJ poorly, since this seemed like a penny-wise/pound-foolish decision on the champ’s part, gaining a small tactical advantage at a tremendous cost to his own reputation and the goodwill of his fans, his sponsors, and his employers.

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  • darth_irritable says:

    Dr Stu – to be fair, Sonnen had a lot less time to prepare than Jones. And How do you prepare for THAT monster? Helping somoene train for a fight is in no way the same as training for the fight yourself.

    Look, all Jackson’s points are reasonable to make, and given Hendo’s camp knew about the issue three weeks ago, it’s not fair to blame Jones exclusively for the cancellation.

    I do feel it is fair to feel scorn for a man with a 20 lb weight advantage, coming off of a full camp turning down a fight with a less effective clone of his planned opponent who literally had no more than month’s training at best.

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  • G-DUB says:

    MCM … it cannot be explained in any truly rational manner.
    Clearly, in the Jackson’s mind, there is a vast chasm between Hendo’s and Sonnen’s skill sets …. a chasm that could not be bridged by a fighting phenom with unmatched skills without at least a few weeks preparation. If the rest of us unenlightened commoners cannot understand that, it’s our problem …. not his …. and how dare you question the genius strategist!
    I exaggerate …. but no more than someone calling a request to see JBJ vs Sonnen on 10 days notice a return to human cockfighting at the genesis of the UFC.
    Thank you JBJ …. thank you Genius Jackson ….. now I have to spend the Sat night of Labor Day weekend with my girlfriend’s parents :(

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    Elsicilian, he meant that they’d only have 3 days to train, and then it would be into the week of cutting weight and hyping, pretty much no fighter trains during that week, they use it as a time to get ready and get in the zone.

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    Just don’t tell her that the fights cancelled G-DUB, no honey they changed their mind it’s still going on, you go have fun with your parents.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Yeah, no fighter risks a last minute injury right before the fight; that way, unless you’re Kevin Randleman you should be able to make it from your hotel, to the arena, to the cage.

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  • THEGUNNER says:

    The fact is jbj is ready for a fight. The ufc is fight biz. Jbj got challenged to a fight and declined it cuz he was not training for one guy. Thats weak. He should be down to fight anyone anytime. Jbj showed weakness thay should make hime fight on a card that has two titles on the line and put him on the co main event.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    He should be down to fight anyone anytime.

    Then why do they sign bout agreements?

    Also, Machida disagrees with you. It’s even in writing, with Blackhouse letterhead.

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  • elsicilian says:

    @AlphaOmega, I understand the point that he was pretending to make (and the game he’s trying to play), but it is totally disingenuous. You might as well say it was only 1.5 days, because of those three days you have to train, you spend half the time sleeping.

    Anyway, if he wants to offer lots of reasons about why eight days notice is insufficient that’s fine; but that’s not what he does. Quite the contrary, he turns right around and talks about “taking a fight of that caliber with a guy that’s ready, on three days notice” which is just not true. It was eight days notice.

    When you see people playing little games like that it may not seem like a big deal, but it’s a strong indicator that they are being less than forthright, which hurts their credibility across the board. I’m not surprised that Dana White takes shots at Greg Jackson if that’s the sort of crap he spins on a regular basis.

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  • THEGUNNER says:

    Jbj and chael are both good wrestlers jbj is the better striker . Why not take a not so risky fight? He could of shut sonnen up so good by making him want to retire instead im waitin to hear more direspect from sonnen.

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  • Richard Stabone says:

    Does Greg Jackson strike you guys as the type of guy that takes anything for granted when it comes to preparing his guys for a fight?

    Yes, Jon Jones was all revved up for a fight on 9/1. It’s a completely rational though that Jones was ready to fight and could have easily stepped into the cage and beaten somebody else. But that’s skirting around the real issue here, which is that Jackson & Jones were preparing a specific game plan to fight Dan Henderson. This is what Greg Jackson *does*… all of the time & energy was focused on Hendo & Hendo alone.

    So changing up the opponent in the final days leading up to the fight throws a huge wrench in those plans. Who knows what the plan of attack was against Hendo. It might have been to use Jones’ length & reach to keep Hendo off balance, eventually looking for an opportunity to put him on his back to utilize JBJ’s ground & pound. That would conceivably mitigate the risk of the H-Bomb.

    But with Chael, it could have meant switching things up pretty radically, instead trying to keep the fight on the feet at all costs. Different foot work, different striking pattern….different mindset, period.

    A change is a change. And Greg Jackson is not in the business of taking things for granted or adjusting on the fly. That’s the complete opposite of what he’s all about. Jones’ has a spectacularly diverse arsenal of weapons, and trying to guess what he & Jackson had in store for the Hendo fight, and thinking it would naturally translate to the Chael fight, is just a lazy assumption.

    This is the highest level of fighting in the world. Once the cage door shuts virtually anything can happen. Jones has already established a foundation of greatness at the age of 25, with Jackson aiding his ascent, and to take an unprecendented risk and stray from what they originally signed up for would be an unnecessary risk. Simple as that.

    The fan in me doesn’t necessarily like it. I want to be entertained, and an entire card being canceled sucks. But I have to respect what these guys do as professionals. I’ve been saying on here for a while that I view Jones’ biggest weakness as his sensitivity & the fact he cares too much what people think. Well this is a perfect example… he’s gotta do what’s best for his career and maintaining the path to unparalleled greatnest he’s current on. Don’t worry about ruffling some feathers along the way.

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    “It’s even in writing, with Blackhouse letterhead.”

    Does it amuse anyone else that whoever copied his words down to paper, misspelled Brazil?

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Chael and Hendo are entirely different fighters. Hendo fights more like Randy does, plus he has the killer right hand.

    Chael is a grinder, a southpaw, and bases all of his offence around shooting for takedowns. Mock him all you want, but Chael is not a joke, and taking a fight with almost zero prep time — due to massive media commitments, being the champ and all — and having no coaching staff around is dumb. Yes, lots of other fighters would probably take the fight; easy to say when no one asked you and you’re not a world champion with one of the biggest name sponsors in sports.

    Jones / Jackson are treating this like a professional fight, as opposed to a hockey fight where dudes just pair up.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Alpha – depending on the language, the spelling changes. English = Brazil, Portuguese = Brasil.

    (Vitor / Wanderlei was titled TUF: Brasil.)

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    ah ok, see look I learn something new every day. The day is never wasted when you learn something new

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  • Richard Stabone says:

    So now we’re challenging Jackson’s point about the proposed switch leaving only a few days for actual fight preparation/training?

    You guys keep talking about this *showcase* event for Jon Jones. That being the case, how much media coverage and overall exposure do you think there is for Jones during the actual week leading up to the fight?

    And now weight cutting should be weaved into regular training? Not to mention the risk of injury.

    I’m sorry, now it’s just grasping at straws.

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  • elsicilian says:

    I’m not challenging Jackson’s point about the proposed switch leaving only a few days for actual fight preparation/training … I am absolutely challenging his suggestion that EIGHT DAYS NOTICE (irrespective of however many of those days can realistically be used to train) magically becomes “three days notice.”

    That is quite simply categorically and factually untrue … eight days notice is eight days notice. If he wants to argue that eight days is insufficient time to prepare, have at it. But that does not mean that the notice itself occurred next Wednesday, for god’s sake …

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  • Richard Stabone says:

    Jackson was simply putting it into practical terms, as many fans otherwise wouldn’t consider the media obligations, weight cutting, window of shutting down heavy training to let the body ramp up to peak strength while also avoiding injury risk, etc.

    The way DW tore him apart I think he was forced to share his point of view on the matter, and handled things in a professional manner the UFC prez is not capable of.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Agree. When Dana targets someone, a lot of people defer to him — rightly or not.

    Greg made valid points; points that people seem to accept coming from anyone else, under better circumstances.

    As evidenced by some posts here, even some hardcores don’t know all of the nitty gritty details of the last weeks of a fight camp. I’m not saying that to be condescending, it genuinely seems like it’s not well known information.

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  • MCM says:

    You guys are acting like the difference between Chael and Dan is the difference between Anderson Silva and Matt Hamill. Chael and Dan ARE similar fighters, with Dan being the more diverse and dangerous of the two. And Jon was supposed to be prepared for that fight.
    If Greg had Jon had refused to fight Machida fight for the exact same reason (not enough time to prepare) they would be in the right. But refusing to fight Chael just because they only agreed to fight Dan Henderson, comes across as very poor reasoning. I think Faust said in a different thread that they could have pulled the belt off the table and made it a catch weight fight.
    Point being that nothing Greg Jackson or Jon Jones has said about the matter holds much water. Bottom line, there were plenty of options and different paths that could have been taken and these chose the absolute worst one and it’s gonna cost them in the end.

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  • Richard Stabone says:

    Look, MMA is growing rapidly, and along with it the money. Fighters want a piece of that, and the way things are currently set up the guys at the bottom get paid very little (which is part of the reason the cancellation of this event is so devastating), and it’s not until guys start to really climb the ladder that the fight purses and other financial opportunities become more lucrative. Once a guy approaches the top, he’s gonna do what he feels he needs to do to keep his spot, for better & worse.

    Basically, guys at the top aren’t going to take unnecessary risks… GSP is more concerned with keeping his belt than finishing opponents… Anderson Silva isn’t going to sign on to fight an “amateur” with fewer than 10 pro fights… Jon Jones isn’t going to put his belt on the line against a different opponent less than 10 days out from fight night… all these other contenders aren’t going to blow their title shot on a short notice, ill-prepared effort… etc.

    As fans we can sit here and question their warrior spirit, and imply we know better how they should manage their career, but it’s not gonna change anything. These guys need to look out for their own best interest and don’t need to apologize for doing so.

    The UFC organized a card built on sand, with no solid contingency plans if it rained. Hendo got hurt. Hendo kept the injury concealed. And when news finally broke, the UFC seemed to have a very narrow focus in fallback options. When they didn’t get their way, they pulled the plug. There’s plenty of blame to go around but to not recognize it’s being disproportionately directed at Jon Jones in an unfair way is to be blinded by one’s bias/ignorance.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    MCM, Chael and Dan are vastly different. Aside from their wrestling base and shared fight team, Sonnen is left-handed and Dan is not. That’s actually a big difference; even before you look further into it, as Dan has a very atypical fighting stance and likes to box. Sonnen is a takedown artist and a grinder; he wins rounds whereas Dan tries to stop dudes with H-bombs.

    There’s more dissimilar than they are similar. And, again, Chael has been prepping Hendo so he was at least in the mindset of fighting Jones, albeit not himself being in the cage to do it.

    Jones, meanwhile gets blindsided with an opponent swamp, would have no one around to even consult with, meanwhile he still has to cut weight and do a lot of press engagements — all the while trying to think about a drastic change of opponents / styles.

    I don’t think anything Greg said is unreasonable. And, if it is, then Machida deserves equal criticism for using the same logic for opting out of the 152 fight,. (Yes, the card will still happen; but we’re debating the merits of Jackson’s reasons at this juncture.)

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  • THEGUNNER says:

    Fuck the nitty gritty “no disrespect” they get a 1/4 million to fight. Its a job. Its a fight. only a high level guy would get this choice. Give that cash to a guy that needs it and see how hard they fight regardless of who it is.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Give that cash to a guy that needs it and see how hard they fight regardless of who it is.

    I think you just begged the question.

    The only person who takes this fight on 8 days notice is the sort of guy with zero leverage otherwise.

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  • G-DUB says:

    This entire conversation about “time to prepare for a gameplan” is interesting. Surely the more time Jones n friends has to prepare for a particular opponent, the more “prepared” he will be ( … whatever that means). However, 8-10 days is enough time to be ADEQUATELY prepared for an opponent. Comparing to other sports on the highest level isn’t always fair, but let’s just look at other professional sports …. how long did the Heat have to prepare for the Thunder for the NBA championship? Best case scenario, how long did the Giants have to prepare for the Patriots for the biggest title in professional sports? I’m sure both teams could’ve been better prepared with more time, but in the allotted time, they were able to watch film, come up with a gameplan and practice that gameplan to some extent. Are you telling me that prize fighting is a completely different animal? Is Greg Jackson any less capable than the Miami Heat staff to watch film, devise a gameplan and institute it to some extent in a short period of time?
    Jon Jones is a professional with an established skill set. 8-10 days is not ideal, but it is adequate to tweak a gameplan and be “prepared”. It’s not like he needs to learn BJJ in 8 days for f**k’s sake!

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  • elsicilian says:

    @Richard – Jackson could easily say all that without claiming that Jones was offered the fight on three days notice (which is patently false and totally misleading) … but it’s pretty clear that his overarching motivation is to exaggerate the disadvantages to Jones while glossing over the disadvantages to Sonnen, and that little lie definitely serves that purpose.

    Anyway, the three-days-notice baloney is a hair-splitting detail (as I freely acknowledged when I first mentioned it); but since Jackson is the one who chose to split that particular hair, you can’t really complain about me busting him for doing it disingenuously (especially after you explicitly requested feedback on how his original statement was wrong).

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  • Lord Faust says:

    G-DUB – please re-check Jones interview and this thread. There would be no training going on in the 8 days, and one of those days was fight day, the other was weigh-in day: where fighters dehydrate, do zero training, stay in their hotel room and hate life before they jump on the scales.

    3 days is valid from the POV you’re talking about real training, not warm-ups and light exercise.

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  • MCM says:

    Faust-
    And Jones has never fought a southpaw before? Never fought a take down artist? Wasn’t training for the take down already? And I’m almost positive Jones owns a cell phone, so has plenty of people he can consult with. Maybe Jones isn’t as good as we all think. Maybe he resets back to zero after each fight and needs to learn everything all over again for each opponent. I personally don’t believe that. I think he’s got the skills and smarts to change up his game plan if need be, but apparently his head coach doesn’t.

    Like I said, if they were training for Hendo and it got switched to Machida (or Shogun or even Gustafsson) on 8 days notice, I could understand this logic. But it makes no sense between Hendo and Chael.

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  • elsicilian says:

    @Faust – again, three days of TRAINING would be a plausible statement; saying Jones would be ” fighting Sonnen for a world title on three days notice” (as Jackson does at least three times in this short article alone) is an absolute lie, and clearly a deliberate one.

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  • darth_irritable says:

    But Faust – whatever training Jones would or wouldn’t get done up to and including the next 8 days is a metric shit-ton more than Sonnen did. The advantage here – other than reputational and right place/right time – is all Jones.

    You’re also 100% right that Sourhpaw makes a difference, but when it’s ol’ pillowhands we’re talking about, it’s a lot less difference than it could be.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    So, what you’re saying is that any fighter who needs more than 7 days to prep for a fight is stalling for time? Fighters spend 10-20k for fight camps (according to Joe Lauzon); if they were so unnecessary then why does every other fighter in the UFC train like this?

    Frankly, I think 4-6 weeks is correct. These aren’t just random fights, these are top-tier pros going at it. At that level, you need to train for the guy in front of you not just for a general fight; at this level, the difference between fighters may be minor, but the stakes are enormous.

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  • G-DUB says:

    Your point is valid LF and I understand the ramifications of the final 8 days before a fight. However, by now Jones a) is already in peak physical conditioning to go 5 rounds b) has his timing down from months of sparring and grappling c) probably already has all tools in the toolbag that he would use to vanquish either Hendo or Sonnen. At this point, you spend your downtime watching film on Sonnen …. and there’s plenty of time to do that. If there’s something in particular that needs more practice for this particular opponent (i.e. takedown defense), then drill it to your heart’s content. I’d like to believe that JBJ is skilled enough and smart enough to learn to circle the cage counterclockwise i/o clockwise in 8 days. Greg Jackson (and probably you LF) will point out that it’s much more complex than I’ve made it sound. Perhaps, but I stick to my opinion.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Also, I am refering to Sonnen being a southpaw not so much in the striking sense, but it factors heavily in reading the guy’s movements, and when he’s going to throw strikes versus shoot in for takedowns. Obviously it would be a bigger deal if this were a straight striking contest, but it is still very relevant with regards to training. Everything Jones has been drilling for weeks, maybe months now has been with the notion of a dedicated, unwavering right-hander implementing a vastly different gameplan than Sonnen.

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  • MCM says:

    “There’s plenty of blame to go around but to not recognize it’s being disproportionately directed at Jon Jones in an unfair way is to be blinded by one’s bias/ignorance.” Richard Stabone

    Fuck Dan Henderson for hiding the fact that he was injured and not allowing the UFC to set up a contingency plan if the main event fell through.

    Fuck the UFC for building a one card fight and not having the foresight to see that if the main event falls though, they are gonna lose the card. *cough* Affliction *cough* And for trying to put a MW into a title fight when going HW was obviously the clear solution.

    Fuck Jon Jones and Greg Jackson for not behaving like the selfish little brats they are and not like Champions by taking a fight to save a card that costs the UFC millions, Fox millions, and affects the lively hood of every other fighter on the card.

    Fuck this whole mess.

    (Better?)

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    Doesn’t Greg Jackson’s camp have the mentality of that its a waste for the fighter to sit down and watch all the tape, they have the coaches and advisers do that, then draw up a game plan, then give it to the fighters right? Jones said that for the 3 days before he had to start his weight cut, those people wouldn’t be there to help him because they are elsewhere. So he would kinda be in a whole new territory if he’s never had to do all that before.

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  • elsicilian says:

    MCM – I’ll sign off on that …

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Aside from assigning the cancellation of the show to Jones / Jackson, I can get behind that.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    You know what, the best thing to come out of this is a vastly increased level of respect for the 5oz readership.

    Zuffa has some major issues, but you folks are good stuff. (Even the thumbs down people.)

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  • MCM says:

    Are you saying you didn’t respect us before?

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  • Lord Faust says:

    Did you miss the word increased, good sir?

    Levels were high before, now they’re at levels where I may need a TUE.

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  • G-DUB says:

    Every participant on this site is on TRT. It is the only logical explanation for the sudden and significant rise in comment quality.

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  • G-DUB says:

    Oops …. joke infringement. Sorry LF.

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  • Lord Faust says:

    All good. I have lax licensing requirements. :)

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a horse to consume before my sketchy Texas doctor arrives. (We’re going to randomly mix some shit up and injecting into me.)

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  • elsicilian says:

    @Faust – sounds like you have got it pretty good!

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  • THEGUNNER says:

    Bottom line ive ordered 2 ufc s this year I wa gonna order this one and still would have if machida or sonnen in the mix. My choice … Sonnen.

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  • Screenplaya says:

    I am honestly shocked there is even a debate about who was right. Jackson and Jones are 100% right. They signed to fight Hendo, not Hendo (or anyone else we choose to put in front of you). They could have chosen to do the UFC the favor of fighting someone else, but they don’t have to.

    The fault is the UFC’s. It’s Dana White and Joe Silva. They make the cards. If the card can’t stand losing the headliner, then they need to look into new ways of building cards. Or maybe they should have accepted that this PPV was not going to be a big moneymaker, and just gone through with it.

    Had they decided to go on with the show, we would now be looking at a headlining fight that featured Anderson Silva at 205. Maybe he fights Gustaffson? I don’t know. None of us do.

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  • AlphaOmega says:

    ” They signed to fight Hendo, not Hendo”

    Mistype?

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  • jasonah says:

    The big question here is, what if the U.F.C decided to make this a non title fight? Would Jackson still have declined the bout with Sonnen? Yes, I think so. Chael is way to dangerous to Fight with out a full Camp Behind them. If That Fight was offered, and did They still decline? bones has good wrestling But Chael is on a Different level. Jackson and Bones just started The biggest Shit Storm of all time, from this day foward we will all here jon jones is scared to fight Chael Sonnen.

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  • Richard Stabone says:

    Chael is a glorified Evan Tanner.

    Chael has a career record of 6-5 in the UFC. After an initial failed stint with the company, Chael returned to the UFC on the other side of 30 and found better success. He eventually earned a title shot, albeit under the cloud of a failed PED test and subsequent suspension, and gave Anderson Silva the toughest challenge he’s had under the UFC banner and nearly pulled off a victory (which would have been switched to a No Contest due to Chael’s failed drug test). In the much anticipated rematch Chael was finished in the 2nd round.

    Chael has one fight at LHW in the UFC during his career, and he was finished in the 2nd round.

    Jon Jones debuted in the UFC in August of 2008. He’s fought 11 times, with the only bump in the road coming when Jones was DQ’s for dropping down illegal 12-6 elbows in a fight he was thorougly dominating Matt Hammil in a full mount position looking over at the referee in perplexion shortly before the illegal blows ended the fight. He rebounded from his lone “loss” by breaking Brandon Vera’s face, then mopping the Octagon mat with The Janitor, Vlady Matyushenko.

    After easily dispatching Ryan Bader, Jones caught a break when title contender Rashad Evans was knocked out with a knee injury, and was thrust into a title fight against MMA legend Mauricio “Shogun” Rua. Critics of Jones suggested he was too young, too inexperienced, and undeserving of a shot at the champion who would put the young phenom in his place. Instead, Jones routed Shogun to capture the LHW belt.

    Jone has since finished off former UFC champions Rampage Jackson, Lyoto Machida and former teammate Rashad Evans.

    Jones was set to face MMA legend Dan Henderson on September 1 at UFC 151. Henderson suffered a knee injury approximately 3 weeks prior to the bout, but it was not until late in the week preceding the event that Hendo chose to reveal the injury to the UFC brass. In a last ditch effort to save the event, the UFC reportedly approached multiple contenders within the LHW division who turned down the opportunity to compete for the Jones’ belt on such short notice. It was revealed that Dan Henderson’s training parter, Chael Sonnen, was eventually contacted as a replacement, and the MW fighter coming off a loss and looking to move up to the LHW division opted to accept the fight against the champion.

    UFC president Dana White offered praise to Chael for his courage and a large faction of MMA fans soon followed suit. However, Jon Jones had followed the advice of renowned trainer Greg Jackson to decline the late switch in opponents. Dana White’s response involved lots of yellowing, a tapestry of expletives, and urinating in his underwear. He eventually composed himself to face the media, simply blaming the entire thing on Jon Jones and his weirdo trainer.

    The UFC was apparently unable to find a suitable replacement within its stable of fighters, and UFC 151 was regrettably canceled. In the aftermath it would be revealed that several established contenders had opted to decline the opportunity to challenge for the belt on such short notice. But make no mistake, it was Jon Jones’ fault.

    Meanwhile, the man who suffered the injury to set off the chain reaction of events, concealing the injury from his UFC bosses, will hopefully enjoy a fast recovery and deserves the full benefit of the doubt in this unfortunate ordeal. If Jon Jones wasn’t cocky & selfish, we wouldn’t be stuck in this pickle, and kids in Africa would most likely be balling instead of starving.

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  • Screenplaya says:

    @ Ricky Stab One

    My quote was:

    They signed to fight Hendo, not Hendo (or anyone else we choose to put in front of you).

    :)

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